VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[TonyMurray]

Because it's skippable with literally a toggle of "is Zoey a DIK or CHICK".

They could've achieved the exact same thing in say the episode 3(?) flashback and just having "how do you remember her".

It's only skippable once you've already played it. The idea is that you play it, make all the choices throughout that determine Chick or DIK, then on your next playthrough of the dozen or so saves you have, you can skip it and just give the answer you got the first time. It's not a case of "how do you remember her" or even really "how do you want her to be", it's a case of how have you sculpted her personality through the choices you have made for her? (The exact same way Chick/DIK is decided for you as MC.)

I think Leap of Fate had that, or was it only unique renders seen? It was bugging me how much I was still missing at the end of a run.

I think that was percentage of renders seen, yes.

 

[Ahrimy]

I think I understand Jill Fans
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She is so cute here

 

[19Castiel23]

This is a good one,
and just to be clear, the others path is the second, for the reason because you want to see if you can get Josy on it too , right ?

You caught me

 

[jd8097619]

It's only skippable once you've already played it. The idea is that you play it, make all the choices throughout that determine Chick or DIK, then on your next playthrough of the dozen or so saves you have, you can skip it and just give the answer you got the first time. It's not a case of "how do you remember her" or even really "how do you want her to be", it's a case of how have you sculpted her personality through the choices you have made for her? (The exact same way Chick/DIK is decided for you as MC.)

Except it does boil down to one choice. Think about it.

Imagine if for Season 3 DPC just boiled down the previous 8 episodes to "DIK or CHICK, which LI path". It makes the entire nuance and complexity of the previous 8 episodes seem pointless.

If the Interlude can be so easily summed up as "is Zoey a DIK or CHICK" then you might as well have just had that choice integrated into an earlier episode flashback of her.

 

[rainnnnnn]

She decided ?!

Easily avoidable scenario if we're being honest

 

[Matt2012021]

That banner is a joke a sick one having Zoey first on it is just wrong her path is the very last one I will do if I decide to do it.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Except it does boil down to one choice. Think about it.

Imagine if for Season 3 DPC just boiled down the previous 8 episodes to "DIK or CHICK, which LI path". It makes the entire nuance and complexity of the previous 8 episodes seem pointless.

If the Interlude can be so easily summed up as "is Zoey a DIK or CHICK" then you might as well have just had that choice integrated into an earlier episode flashback of her.

Not necessarily true. By playing , you can make Zoey to have a dik personality and still chose to forgive to the tattooed girl, and in that case that choice wont effect Zoey , she still gonna have a dik-ish personality.
and vice versa.

 

[TonyMurray]

Except it does boil down to one choice. Think about it.

Imagine if for Season 3 DPC just boiled down the previous 8 episodes to "DIK or CHICK, which LI path". It makes the entire nuance and complexity of the previous 8 episodes seem pointless.

If the Interlude can be so easily summed up as "is Zoey a DIK or CHICK" then you might as well have just had that choice integrated into an earlier episode flashback of her.

It's the same as those games that ask you a few questions at the start of a new executable for season 2, rather than carrying over all the choices - did you say "yes" to this person, are you in a relationship with that person, etc. It just gives you a means to avoid replaying it, while still getting to shape the character. I get how you can think that makes it pointless, but if that's your actual stance, and not just because you don't like the interlude/Zoey, you're missing a lot of context. In order to get a true reflection in making your choice, you do have to play it at least once. Otherwise, you have nothing to base your decision on.

 

[jd8097619]

Not necessarily true. By playing , you can make Zoey to have a dik personality and still chose to forgive to the tattooed girl, and in that case that choice wont effect Zoey , she still gonna have a dik-ish personality.
and vice versa.

But the problem is DPC has essentially programmed it that the only meaningful variable that does transition over is "DIK or CHICK", in which case all the permutations of the Interlude itself are pointless.

And that's why I think it's a giant waste of time, and at best spending three months to write a bunch of fluff because otherwise no one was ever going to choose a Zoey option.

Essentially she was introduced far too late and probably would've been better if she simply never appeared.

 

[felicemastronzo]

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Release week is soon upon us.

Beta testing has yielded great results, and the testers have done a thorough job with the episode.

Here's the updated changelog after the weeks of beta testing. It's most likely final. *Crosses fingers*

On top of helping me find bugs and polish episode 11 further, there have been some improvements to the overall season during beta testing.

The bullet points in bold font are recent changes and improvements that affect previous episodes.

-- Changelog v0.11.0 --

Added Episode 11 that includes

7113 renders
392 animations
6 2D-art pieces
2 2D-art animations
42 songs
32 sound effects

• Fixed a bug that caused studying at your desk to fail if you opened the phone while choosing what to study.
• Added a tracking system for Seen dialogue to the Stats app.
• Added buttons to cycle the girls in the 2D art app.
• Reduced the animation times of tiles appearing and disappearing in Triple Tile.
• Fixed an issue with scrolling while browsing the phone gallery that would cause the phone to close.
• Fixed an issue with the quick menu that set it to disabled after viewing credits.
• Menus in Brawler can now be closed using the middle mouse button.
• Improved the text spacing in the Bios app.
• Fixed a bug where the final free roam event of episode 10 didn't end if you failed the main task.
• Fixed an issue with money messages staying on screen when fast traveling from the desk area.
• Fixed a missing image error for an animation.
• Fixed a bug with the on-screen text message conversation that could happen if a game was saved at specific points during these conversations.
• Fixed an issue that prevented Envy's events from being added to her Bios history.
• Fixed a rounding issue with the Happiness % in the Party Planner mini-game that caused a mismatch in % gained or lost during evaluation.
• Fixed an issue with missing text in the Stats app and Party Planner tab when participating in the CUM-petition in Episode 9.
• Fixed an issue with the Party Planning mini-game that didn't update the emotes correctly according to the happiness level.
• Fixed an issue with the episode report of episode 10 that would show a choice that potentially didn't happen for Lily.
• Slightly increased timer for the English class.
• Fixed an issue potentially causing a scene with Sage, Maya and Josy to be skipped if the player didn't spend time with Zoey in episode 10.
• Corrected typos

Thank you for your support!

I look forward to Friday and I hope you'll be joining me for the release.

Love

Dr PinkCake

For now, interest is still rather low, waiting for some surprise to awaken it.

the story of Riona and Maya's loan documents I think will be essentially canon so it doesn't make sense for me to give it any particular priority.

Jill + Bianca could be the first run, pretty much on par with Bella + Jill. i fear both are traps but they deserve the try.

Sage is the only one who will definitely be hosted by Neil, so she gets third place

Maya and Josy for now only have this long sex scene that DPC has been sponsoring in every way, which usually doesn't lead well, so they risk being the last run

Others having become so complicated I'll see it in the scraps between runs

 

[jd8097619]

It's the same as those games that ask you a few questions at the start of a new executable for season 2, rather than carrying over all the choices - did you say "yes" to this person, are you in a relationship with that person, etc. It just gives you a means to avoid replaying it, while still getting to shape the character. I get how you can think that makes it pointless, but if that's your actual stance, and not just because you don't like the interlude/Zoey, you're missing a lot of context. In order to get a true reflection in making your choice, you do have to play it at least once. Otherwise, you have nothing to base your decision on.

But it's pointless context, because DPC themselves just goes "alright, you can just skip it now. All that could alter is if Zoey's a DIK or CHICK leaning personality" which in that case... just add it to an earlier flashback involving fuckface.

DPC basically missed their slot to introduce the character, which should've been at the same time as Josy joining B&R, and instead of just nixing the character they wrote a separate interlude to try and flesh her out but it doesn't really feed back into the main narrative which essentially reduces it to pointless filler.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

I think I understand Jill Fans
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She is so cute here

I know why she's so cute

 

[Better Cock Spock]

But it's pointless context, because DPC themselves just goes "alright, you can just skip it now. All that could alter is if Zoey's a DIK or CHICK leaning personality" which in that case... just add it to an earlier flashback involving fuckface.

DPC basically missed their slot to introduce the character, which should've been at the same time as Josy joining B&R, and instead of just nixing the character they wrote a separate interlude to try and flesh her out but it doesn't really feed back into the main narrative which essentially reduces it to pointless filler.

It's only "pointless" because you're dismissing the entire Interlude based on the fact DPC wanted to make things easier for the player upon replays.

 

[Molmer]

But it's pointless context, because DPC themselves just goes "alright, you can just skip it now. All that could alter is if Zoey's a DIK or CHICK leaning personality" which in that case... just add it to an earlier flashback involving fuckface.

DPC basically missed their slot to introduce the character, which should've been at the same time as Josy joining B&R, and instead of just nixing the character they wrote a separate interlude to try and flesh her out but it doesn't really feed back into the main narrative which essentially reduces it to pointless filler.

Don't forget how fucking ridiculous it is that this girl supposedly went to the other side of the continent and lived there for several months, with an active social life, drinking etc, and she never got a BF or even hooked up with anyone.

 

[ChipLecsap]

But the problem is DPC has essentially programmed it that the only meaningful variable that does transition over is "DIK or CHICK", in which case all the permutations of the Interlude itself are pointless.

But, as I said, what you say is not entirely true. Its only if you skip it, otherwise its not the only meaningful choice.

Did he made it user friendly, by that you only have to answer 1 question if you decide to skip, instead of 20 or something, ? Yes.

otherwise you likely would complain that you have to answer 20 questions whenever you want to skip, and you might not even remember all of it

or if there is no choice to skip it and it's mandatory to play every time for a new path, then that would be the problem for some folks.

so how he implemented this " system " is not a problem, he did a good job with it.

Whether the Interlude was necessary from a narrative standpoint, that is a separated issue.

 

[19Castiel23]

I know why she's so cute
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Sweet as an ugly goblin

 

[Maccabbee]

Don't forget how fucking ridiculous it is that this girl supposedly went to the other side of the continent and lived there for several months, with an active social life, drinking etc, and she never got a BF or even hooked up with anyone.

Don't forget how she's there for a reason, is depressed as fuck, and is in love with Tremolo who she left behind (though she doesn't realize it yet).

 

[jd8097619]

It's only "pointless" because you're dismissing the entire Interlude based on the fact DPC wanted to make things easier for the player upon replays.

No, I'm dismissing it because if 3 and a half months of development on a sub-chapter for a single character can be boiled down to transferring over a single variable of "is this new character a DIK or CHICK" then it was a massive waste of resources, in the same way I'd dismiss Episode 9 being largely a single party if it had a single episode ending and none of the choices within that episode impacted episode 10.

 

[TonyMurray]

But it's pointless context, because DPC themselves just goes "alright, you can just skip it now. All that could alter is if Zoey's a DIK or CHICK leaning personality" which in that case... just add it to an earlier flashback involving fuckface.

DPC basically missed their slot to introduce the character, which should've been at the same time as Josy joining B&R, and instead of just nixing the character they wrote a separate interlude to try and flesh her out but it doesn't really feed back into the main narrative which essentially reduces it to pointless filler.

Well, yes, but only if you ignore a bunch of things that have alraedy been said (not just by me). So first off, the interlude wasn't just to introduce Zoey, it was for legitimate technical reasons (so I saw - again, I wasn't around at the time to hear first hand). Introducing Zoey's backstory and allowing you to shape her character was just a handy way for DPC to do this, while also having a change of pace from the main story (which you'll notice had a different look and feel, other than just in the characters/setting).

In storytelling, you don't always get all of the characters introduced at the same point. It's only natural that some will come along later (and some might fall away, poor Mona...). That doesn't mean that the author has made a mistake. Maybe it was already decided from the off that Zoey would be a later addition, because you know what that would do? It would add conflict later down the line. You get to know your expected LIs, and then you get something blindsiding you just when you're getting comfortable. That's not a mistake, that's just something that doesn't work for you, because you don't like the new option that has been brought in. It's probably no surprise then for you to see it as "wasteful".

You keep ignoring the counterpoints people put forth about the choices, so I won't bother pointing them out to you again.

Don't forget how fucking ridiculous it is that this girl supposedly went to the other side of the continent and lived there for several months, with an active social life, drinking etc, and she never got a BF or even hooked up with anyone.

Why is it ridiculous? Maybe she didn't find someone who she wanted a relationship with? Maybe she wasn't in the right headspace, having lost her nana and moved away from everyone she ever knew, and trying to find her feet in a new place. Maybe she just wasn't interested in hooking up with anyone for no reason but personal choice, because that's actually a legit option for people to choose...

 

[Vill3m]