VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Mormont]

But it be hard for me to do that to Tommy since it weird to say but i kindda start to like Tommy more and more... he has some fun scenes with the MC and we start to get finally some brother love going with him..

He was opening-up more with the MC it's a bit of progress between the two I'm curious what to expect from Tommy so far he has just appeared as some junkie that doesn't seem to have any time for the MC. I think ever since what happened with Chad he has changed his view a little of the MC and does secretly have a newfound respect for him.

I am so curious to know if DPC reads this forum

There's always one As of late probably not but I know he did in earlier updates.

 

[ename144]

Wut? If you simply don't like that scene and/or it makes you like M&J less, that's one thing, but that's not the argument you're making here. Now you're saying scenes in one path should be sanitized for the benefit of a completely different path

Games that make alternate paths, by definition, must make them different - in both scenes and outcomes - otherwise there'd be no point in having branches at all. The vast majority of people do explore alternate paths when there are branches so as to see different content and experience alternate endings. However, if you can't separate the paths in your head but do it anyway - if you play XYZ and what you see on the corruption path "undercuts" your enjoyment of the love path, or if you play BaR and start moaning that seeing Lisa have a lesbian kiss with Jade on the friends path "bleeds over" and ruins the Lisa solo love path and the Lisa+Jade 3some path for you - that's on you, not the dev.



What?? Taking away player choice would make it all OK? Make whatever people pick not matter but force the same "break up" outcome on everyone including those that still like and want to pursue Maya & Josy in order to placate your sensibilities? You have your movie v game analogy completely a**backwards, mate.

No, you completely misunderstood my point. I'm saying that scenes in one path should be compatible with scenes on the other path. When the player is presented a choice (or choices) and we can compare the different outcomes, the difference should depend on the choice(s) not external factors beyond the player's control. Otherwise it just muddles the narrative and calls attention to the fact this is a work of fiction.

For a hypothetical example, suppose in some future update we are given a choice to invite Jill to a party. The results are as follows: if we choose to invite her, Jill turns us down because she already agreed to go with Tybalt and we later see them at the party; if we choose not to invite her, Jill does not attend the party at all.

In and of themselves both of these outcomes are perfectly plausible. The issue comes when the player, external to the story, can see both of them. Jill will only accompany Tybalt to the party if the MC asks her to go. Thus the clear implication is that Jill is using Tybalt as an excuse to avoid the MC. But if the game has already said many times that Jill dislikes Tybalt and prefers to spend time with the MC, then why does she ditch him for Tybalt?

Either Jill doesn't like the MC more than Tybalt, or the whole choice was artificial, meant to provide convenient drama to the story. Assuming Jill is indeed meant to like the MC (and thus this is not subtle foreshadowing that Jill isn't as honest as she appears), neither of those explanations is good. The former confuses the player, and the latter weakens suspension of disbelief.

My problem with the framing of Maya and Josy's kiss is similar. We are told that the MC is important to both of them, and there are a bunch of under-the-hood mechanics to determine if the two are willing to enter into a romantic triangle with him. If an MC who they both love decides that they have to be friends from now on, Maya and Josy shouldn't immediately go back to smooching each other. They should act as though they lost the chance for something special.

That's not to say M&J should insist on a love triangle with the MC no mater what, nor that M&J should break up if the MC turns them down. I'm saying that if we are told the MC is just as important to Maya and Josy as they are to each other, they should not act as a happy couple the instant the MC breaks off any potential romance with them.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

About Jill's and Isabella's past ...

Reading the previous posts inspired me to put pieces together to a short and sad fanfiction which just flashed my mind.

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

 

[yewneek]

I know this has probably been discussed somewhere in the 3,000+ pages of this forum, but Derek might be the best character of all time.

Also, the drunk scene in Bella's house made me wheeze laugh.

 

[Mormont]

I know this has probably been discussed somewhere in the 3,000+ pages of this forum, but Derek might be the best character of all time.

Also, the drunk scene in Bella's house made me wheeze laugh.

Would you rate him as good as Liam? I think Liam just beats him when it comes to best Bro.

 

[michael1984]

Would you rate him as good as Liam? I think Liam just beats him when it comes to best Bro.

Liam so far still holds the best bro award … But since the badik game aint complete yet Derek has more time to show us if he can live up to Liam standard ...

Lets wait and see how Derek and the MC brotherhood goes in the next episodes... Derek is on the right path tho

 

[Dashxp4k]

Would you rate him as good as Liam? I think Liam just beats him when it comes to best Bro.

tbh I don't trust Derek because he never keep a secret. How I'm going to trust this man with my life. I think that's why his father knows that Maya is gay.

 

[yewneek]

Would you rate him as good as Liam? I think Liam just beats him when it comes to best Bro.

Liam definitely takes top billing for greatest friend. I guess I've always had a soft spot for idiot savants like Maggot Brother.

 

[yewneek]

tbh I don't trust Derek because he never keep a secret. How I'm going to trust this man with my life. I think that's why his father knows that Maya is gay.

Interesting. Never even thought about that. However, doesn't Maggot Bro mention how Maggot Sis owes him a huge debt when he convinces her to take in MC? Seems like that would be reversed if he had whistleblown his own sister, but idk.

 

[michael1984]

tbh I don't trust Derek because he never keep a secret. How I'm going to trust this man with my life. I think that's why his father knows that Maya is gay.

Can Derek keep a secret maybe not... But he did have our back with that security guard … And he stayed with us in the class while he could sit with M&J …

So imo he has more good qualities as a good bro then not

But like i said still plenty of episodes left so we have to wait and see if Derek can improve

But so far i had quite a few laughhs with that Derek character and cant wait to see what comes next

 

[Darkmetal]

A) Bella is too young for that. I think it could be more to do with Jill's sister she was friends with her and when she died decided to look in on Jill as her own sister. B) Although there was another theory that Bella had a stillbirth and the room that is locked in her baby's room. But it's most likely her husband's old office with all his stuff in.

A & B are not mutually exclusive though
... ...
Re the recent posts on A (Bella/Jill relationships) by various:

Bella is confirmed 35 (by DPC on discord). As a Junior, Jill should be between 19-21.
The 15 year-ish age gap allows for multiple relationship links:
Friend of sister, favorite aunt, ex-babysitter/tutor/au pair etc. - so all your theories thereof have a valid chance of being correct.

On Bella being Jill's mother specifically - there have been a few variations on this

One possibility:

- Bella had Jill at too young an age to take care of her and Jill was given up to be raised by a relative (e.g. Bella's older sister who was married to Jill's father) as theirs. This allowed Bella to keep in close proximity to Jill, but the actual relationship is known only to Bella. Jill does not know that Bella is her mother.

This is supported by a segment that occured after the outdoor Yoga session where MC tells Bella "It's not like she's your daughter or anything." To which Bella reacted not with her (at the time) usual anger at back-talk but instead she could not look MC in the eyes and turned away in sad silence.

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Not a reaction one would expect if she were just a close friend. Did the remark cut deeper and closer to home than MC knew?

Dun...dun..dun.

I actually don't think this will be the case. Just having some idle speculation on what may be possible rather than probable

 

[yewneek]

But like i said still plenty of episodes left so we have to wait and see if Derek can improve

Hey, as long as he doesn't try to burn down our house, everything should be okay

 

[Dashxp4k]

A & B are not mutually exclusive though
... ...
Re the recent posts on A (Bella/Jill relationships) by various:

Bella is confirmed 35 (by DPC on discord). As a Junior, Jill should be between 19-21.
The 15 year-ish age gap allows for multiple relationship links:
Friend of sister, favorite aunt, ex-babysitter/tutor/au pair etc. - so all your theories thereof have a valid chance of being correct.

On Bella being Jill's mother specifically - there have been a few variations on this

One possibility:

- Bella had Jill at too young an age to take care of her and Jill was given up to be raised by a relative (e.g. Bella's older sister who was married to Jill's father) as theirs. This allowed Bella to keep in close proximity to Jill, but the actual relationship is known only to Bella. Jill does not know that Bella is her mother.

This is supported by a segment that occured after the outdoor Yoga session where MC tells Bella "It's not like she's your daughter or anything." To which Bella reacted not with her (at the time) usual anger at back-talk but instead she could not look MC in the eyes and turned away in sad silence.

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Not a reaction one would expect if she were just a close friend. Did the remark cut deeper and closer to home than MC knew?

Dun...dun..dun.

I actually don't think this will be the case. Just having some idle speculation on what may be possible rather than probable

true my brother is 14 years older than me

 

[kolera0101]

Came for the porn. Stayed for the jokes. Brilliant game !

 

[f96zonetrooper]

One possibility:

- Bella had Jill at too young an age to take care of her and Jill was given up to be raised by a relative (e.g. Bella's older sister who was married to Jill's father) as theirs. This allowed Bella to keep in close proximity to Jill, but the actual relationship is known only to Bella. Jill does not know that Bella is her mother.

Wouldn't Jill call Isabella "aunt" in such a relationship? AfaIk they are just good friends connected via Jill's (deceased) sister.

What about following scenario :
Bella has a best friend (BF) when she is in school : Jill's sister who is from a wealthy family.
As teenager Bella has a secret affair with BF's father and gets a bastard (Jill) which is secretly adopted by the father to avoid bad publicity and legal consequences. Jill is raised as BF's sister but in fact she is only a half-sister. As a friend of the family, Isabella is always close to Jill.

 

[michael1984]

Hey, as long as he doesn't try to burn down our house, everything should be okay

Derek is a brother he wont do that I hope lmao

Derek is a mad fun guy … But ever since AL I am on my toes about characters...


Also Sage best girl and cant wait to see her break up with Chad so we become the power couple on campus

Will be funny tho to see in this coming episode the MC and Jill and Bella cooking pancakes

Also will be interesting to see what happends if u on the Bella path how that interaction goes with Bella and Cathy as seen in of those previeuw pics

 

[Holy Bacchus]

My problem with the framing of Maya and Josy's kiss is similar. We are told that the MC is important to both of them, and there are a bunch of under-the-hood mechanics to determine if the two are willing to enter into a romantic triangle with him. If an MC who they both love decides that they have to be friends from now on, Maya and Josy shouldn't immediately go back to smooching each other. They should act as though they lost the chance for something special.

That's not to say M&J should insist on a love triangle with the MC no mater what, nor that M&J should break up if the MC turns them down. I'm saying that if we are told the MC is just as important to Maya and Josy as they are to each other, they should not act as a happy couple the instant the MC breaks off any potential romance with them.

This is the crux of the matter and certainly something that has been discussed to death but will continue to prove controversial for many years to come, I'm sure.

Being led to believe one thing only to then have it turned on its head for the sake of drama or convenience is not very good storytelling, just ask the writers of GoT how that worked out for them. The kiss as he walks away shows an almost callous disregard for the MC that doesn't seem to fit with these characters and also undercuts all the hurt feelings and deep-seated uncertainty they both showed before as all seems to have been miraculously forgotten in an instant.

DPC played that scene wrong and now, for those of us that still care about these characters, we have to hope they can remedy it on both paths.

 

[Erectosaurus]

Don't really care for Maya and Josy at this point tbh. Obviously they're still going to be relevant to the story given their involvement with the fraternities. I'm just hoping down the rode we have the option of completely fucking them over for your own gain especially if you're playing as a massive DIK. I also want to fuck over Derek and fuck that redhead girl he's always with. I mean we've already gotten a taste of her (literally) so I can see that happening which makes my dick happy.

 

[Le Pew]

I wonder the attitude if it's just about her husband or perhaps the way Burke has tried to act with her in the past although my guess with Burke is she ignores him it's the best thing to do with his type.

I don't recall that we've had any indication of Burke's attitude towards Bella. It is possible that Bella must have had more than one bad experience with men.
However one traumatic experience with her (at the time) beloved husband may have the same outcome.

There is still of course the locked door mystery. But that could just be the basement

 

[Mormont]

A & B are not mutually exclusive though
... ...
Re the recent posts on A (Bella/Jill relationships) by various:

Bella is confirmed 35 (by DPC on discord). As a Junior, Jill should be between 19-21.
The 15 year-ish age gap allows for multiple relationship links:
Friend of sister, favorite aunt, ex-babysitter/tutor/au pair etc. - so all your theories thereof have a valid chance of being correct.

On Bella being Jill's mother specifically - there have been a few variations on this

One possibility:

- Bella had Jill at too young an age to take care of her and Jill was given up to be raised by a relative (e.g. Bella's older sister who was married to Jill's father) as theirs. This allowed Bella to keep in close proximity to Jill, but the actual relationship is known only to Bella. Jill does not know that Bella is her mother.

This is supported by a segment that occured after the outdoor Yoga session where MC tells Bella "It's not like she's your daughter or anything." To which Bella reacted not with her (at the time) usual anger at back-talk but instead she could not look MC in the eyes and turned away in sad silence.

Spoiler

You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.

Not a reaction one would expect if she were just a close friend. Did the remark cut deeper and closer to home than MC knew?

Dun...dun..dun.

I actually don't think this will be the case. Just having some idle speculation on what may be possible rather than probable

It's a great idea it's better than some of the other stuff I've been reading on here my only issue with it is the age of Bella being so young doesn't sit well with me it never does at that age. And I'd hate to see DPC go there but then again he does like his twists.