VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[MrFriendly]

Too be fair the Quinn at the start of the game I could see her using the mc

The Quinn of episode 4 I feel that she is liking the mc in her own way

Does she still have plans sure... But I doubt she will trow mc under the bus seeing her recent new feelings for him

If Quinn has a scape goat its either Riona or she puts it on the jocks

Eh, Quinn is irredeemable for me due to the whole prostitution ring and treatment of the MC

 

[michael1984]

Eh, Quinn is irredeemable for me due to the whole prostitution ring and treatment of the MC

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That's fine that's ur opinion and its ur right to feel that way

Just saying that the game is showing those typ of characters in a different light since ep 4

 

[lemonfreak]

Not sure if I fully get the analogy, but Cersei is a good comparison. She was always so focused on herself and what's hers that she became overconfident and arrogant, often throwing others to the wolves to save her own skin and she lost everyone and everything close to her as a result.

Quinn feels a lot like she's going down the same path and the MC is her Ned Stark; someone to be sacrificed in order for her to keep her secret.

My point was that there are those in the thread who treat Quinn as if she's a criminal mastermind and I see no evidence of that; I see a 20 year old girl who has likely been manipulated into becoming the fall girl for her drup and prostitution business and is so arrogant that this has never once occured to her. She imagines what the person she is trying to manipulate is thinking and proceeds on that basis; in reality she has no idea what's going on.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Too be fair the Quinn at the start of the game I could see her using the mc

The Quinn of episode 4 I feel that she is liking the mc in her own way

Does she still have plans sure... But I doubt she will trow mc under the bus seeing her recent new feelings for him

If Quinn has a scape goat its either Riona or she puts it on the jocks

Her catching feelings doesn't stop her from doing something that hurts the MC, it just gives her character more depth by giving her a conflict of interest and showing her, potentially, struggling with a difficult choice.

At the beginning we certainly do see her character as this one-dimensional, amoral, bitch running shady businesses to finance her sorority, but then she becomes more multi-layered as the story progresses and we see her as this flawed human being struggling with the weight of her choices, and seeing this side of her makes her more interesting.

Seeing her throw him under a bus to save herself, then feel bad about it, then seeing her whole operation crumble anyway, and her going on a redemption arc that involves the MC where she has to make amends and own up to her mistakes would be a great character arc for her.

My point was that there are those in the thread who treat Quinn as if she's a criminal mastermind and I see no evidence of that; I see a 20 year old girl who has likely been manipulated into becoming the fall girl for her drup and prostitution business and is so arrogant that this has never once occured to her. She imagines what the person she is trying to manipulate is thinking and proceeds on that basis; in reality she has no idea what's going on.

Yeah, I don't see her as a criminal mastermind, just someone who's trying to make a quick buck but going about it in all the wrong ways and it will end up blowing up in her face. But she doesn't think that it will because she's gotten away with it so far and thinks herself unstoppable, and this arrogance will be her downfall.

 

[michael1984]

Her catching feelings doesn't stop her from doing something that hurts the MC, it just gives her character more depth by giving her a conflict of interest and showing her, potentially, struggling with a difficult choice.

At the beginning we certainly do see her character as this one-dimensional, amoral, bitch running shady businesses to finance her sorority, but then she becomes more multi-layered as the story progresses and we see her as this flawed human being struggling with the weight of her choices, and seeing this side of her makes her more interesting.

Seeing her throw him under a bus to save herself, then feel bad about it, then seeing her whole operation crumble anyway, and her going on a redemption arc that involves the MC where she has to make amends and own up to her mistakes would be a great character arc for her.



Yeah, I don't see her as a criminal mastermind, just someone who's trying to make a quick buck but going about it in all the wrong ways and it will end up blowing up in her face. But she doesn't think that it will because she's gotten away with it so far and thinks herself unstoppable, and this arrogance will be her downfall.

I am not gonna bother anymore butting heads on this issue with you since ur stead vast holding on tho that notion with Quinn and the mc ….

I am sure u will see the light in upcoming episode so will wait for that to come to pass

Still ur allowed ur vieuwpoints and I respect it

 

[MrFriendly]

That's fine that's ur opinion and its ur right to feel that way

Just saying that the game is showing those typ of characters in a different light since ep 4

Yep, opinions are like assholes, we all have them.

As for "in a different light since ep 4" you mean in ep 4, right? Because there hasn't been anything since then? She could be more vicious and conniving next episode for all we know? I don't see anything she did in Ep 4 as redemptive - once a bitch, always a bitch.

My point was that there are those in the thread who treat Quinn as if she's a criminal mastermind and I see no evidence of that; I see a 20 year old girl who has likely been manipulated into becoming the fall girl for her drup and prostitution business and is so arrogant that this has never once occured to her. She imagines what the person she is trying to manipulate is thinking and proceeds on that basis; in reality she has no idea what's going on.

She's not a criminal mastermind. It doesn't take a criminal mastermind to run a drug and prostitution business. Otherwise there are a lot of street level pimps who are "masterminding" their prostitutes. LOL. I agree though. People see her as the big bad, what if there isn't a big bad? Instead there are a bunch of small obstacles to overcome.

 

[ename144]

OK, so here's a question for everybody, what long discussed topics do you hope ep 5 can clear up?

For me, it would be:

1. Who leaked the Cathy pic and why and what will the ramifications be
2. Whether the MC will get that jacket
3. What Sage was setting up and who with
4. What exactly was going on with M&J and their feelings for the MC.

The questions I most desperately want answered in an ideal world would be:

• Is this a lighthearted comedy, or is it intended to have heavy drama elements?
• Taking the game's story as a whole, are we in the beginning, middle, or end of that story?

Unfortunately, it's very unlikely those questions will ever be directly answered, much less in Episode 5. So a more realistic list would be:

1. Why does Quinn need money?
2. Why does Sage think Quinn needs money? (if she doesn't know the real reason)
3. Why is Sage so invested in her relationship with Chad?
4. Why are Jill and Bella such close friends?
5. What happened to Bella and her husband?
6. What was the ultimatum Maya's father gave to her?
7. If the MC/Maya/Josy 'try for something more,' is this intended to be a serious, committed relationship or a more preliminary, non-exclusively dating arrangement?

Number 7 should definitely be addressed by Episode 5. Most of the others will probably be left hanging, but I'm hoping a couple might get answers now.

 

[michael1984]

Yep, opinions are like assholes, we all have them.

As for "in a different light since ep 4" you mean in ep 4, right? Because there hasn't been anything since then? She could be more vicious and conniving next episode for all we know? I don't see anything she did in Ep 4 as redemptive - once a bitch, always a bitch.



She's not a criminal mastermind. It doesn't take a criminal mastermind to run a drug and prostitution business. Otherwise there are a lot of street level pimps who are "masterminding" their prostitutes. LOL. I agree though. People see her as the big bad, what if there isn't a big bad? Instead there are a bunch of small obstacles to overcome.

Again that's ur opinion … maybe see past all that she done and u might see her change a little just saying

Sure Quinn still is a bit of a antagonist and she will continue to be one for sure... But just like with Tommy we see Quinn in a different light as well and im sure we will expand on that in ep 5 and so on

But sure i get why people are so against Quinn its perfectly fine ..... she is not my top 3 either but hey at least i can see past all she does and see a different side from Quinn

 

[lemonfreak]

OK, so here's a question for everybody, what long discussed topics do you hope ep 5 can clear up?

For me, it would be:

1. Who leaked the Cathy pic and why and what will the ramifications be
2. Whether the MC will get that jacket
3. What Sage was setting up and who with
4. What exactly was going on with M&J and their feelings for the MC.

The questions I most desperately want answered in an ideal world would be:

• Is this a lighthearted comedy, or is it intended to have heavy drama elements?
• Taking the game's story as a whole, are we in the beginning, middle, or end of that story?

Unfortunately, it's very unlikely those questions will ever be directly answered, much less in Episode 5. So a more realistic list would be:

1. Why does Quinn need money?
2. Why does Sage think Quinn needs money? (if she doesn't know the real reason)
3. Why is Sage so invested in her relationship with Chad?
4. Why are Jill and Bella such close friends?
5. What happened to Bella and her husband?
6. What was the ultimatum Maya's father gave to her?
7. If the MC/Maya/Josy 'try for something more,' is this intended to be a serious, committed relationship or a more preliminary, non-exclusively dating arrangement?

Number 7 should definitely be addressed by Episode 5. Most of the others will probably be left hanging, but I'm hoping a couple might get answers now.

6 has been answered in the game, Maya's dad refuses to financially support if she has the temerity to want to be with the woman she loves because he's a bigoted retard.

3 is not clear but I read it as a concorde/sunk cost fallacy where she's been with him for so long that the idea of pulling away seems impossible.

 

[ename144]

6 has been answered in the game, Maya's dad refuses to financially support if she has the temerity to want to be with the woman she loves because he's a bigoted retard.

I think that's part of it, but I don't think that's the whole of it.

Remember, Maya was committed to pledging the HOTs at the end of Episode 3 when she was apparently on the brink of breaking up with Josy in favor of the MC. As she said "I realized the plan would still help me even if it wasn't for us [Maya & Josy] anymore."

 

[MrFriendly]

Again that's ur opinion … maybe see past all that she done and u might see her change a little just saying

Sure Quinn still is a bit of a antagonist and she will continue to be one for sure... But just like with Tommy we see Quinn in a different light as well and im sure we will expand on that in ep 5 and so on

But sure i get why people are so against Quinn its perfectly fine ..... she is not my top 3 either but hey at least i can see past all she does and see a different side from Quinn

I don't see Tommy in a different light, he started as an asshole and continues to be an asshole. Same with Quinn. Just because they are more three dimensional doesn't make them now "better" people.

In your opinion she has a softer side, just because she fucked you on the roof and kept you from falling doesn't make her Florence Nightingale.

We need to see what happens in ep 5 before we can really know if Quinn has an actual softer side or if she is really a main antagonist. I don't like pimps and drug dealers so I don't see any reason to look for a "softer side" in Quinn.

And I am more than willing to agree to disagree. We shall see which of us is wrong in ep 5, maybe we both are and she turns out to be an alien sent to anal probe as many college students as possible.

 

[lemonfreak]

I think that's part of it, but I don't think that's the whole of it.

Remember, Maya was committed to pledging the HOTs at the end of Episode 3 when she was apparently on the brink of breaking up with Josy in favor of the MC. As she said "I realized the plan would still help me even if it wasn't for [Maya & Josy] anymore."

Unsaid is that while Josy was the first girl Maya slept with she probably wasn't the first girl she was attracted to. I'm sure Maya must've been aware that the fact she was a lesbian (her attraction to the MC makes her bi but that's new information to her) meant that at some point her father's bigotry would be a problem.

 

[michael1984]

I don't see Tommy in a different light, he started as an asshole and continues to be an asshole. Same with Quinn. Just because they are more three dimensional doesn't make them now "better" people.

In your opinion she has a softer side, just because she fucked you on the roof and kept you from falling doesn't make her Florence Nightingale.

We need to see what happens in ep 5 before we can really know if Quinn has an actual softer side or if she is really a main antagonist. I don't like pimps and drug dealers so I don't see any reason to look for a "softer side" in Quinn.

And I am more than willing to agree to disagree. We shall see which of us is wrong in ep 5, maybe we both are and she turns out to be an alien sent to anal probe as many college students as possible.

Well we at least agree to disagree on that topic wish is fine with me...

Have to make this clear tho as I stated she is by far not my favorite character... and by no means did I say she suddenly becoming a angel in this badik game so u clearly mistook my statement

Just like the whole Tommy situation hes no angel everyone knows that.. But we are making head way in at least getting some respect with him...

But yeah like i stated before some people having a harder time getting past some things that happend in the game then others its fine tho

Will see whats happening in ep 5

 

[Holy Bacchus]

The questions I most desperately want answered in an ideal world would be:

• Is this a lighthearted comedy, or is it intended to have heavy drama elements?
• Taking the game's story as a whole, are we in the beginning, middle, or end of that story?

Unfortunately, it's very unlikely those questions will ever be directly answered, much less in Episode 5. So a more realistic list would be:

1. Why does Quinn need money?
2. Why does Sage think Quinn needs money? (if she doesn't know the real reason)
3. Why is Sage so invested in her relationship with Chad?
4. Why are Jill and Bella such close friends?
5. What happened to Bella and her husband?
6. What was the ultimatum Maya's father gave to her?
7. If the MC/Maya/Josy 'try for something more,' is this intended to be a serious, committed relationship or a more preliminary, non-exclusively dating arrangement?

Number 7 should definitely be addressed by Episode 5. Most of the others will probably be left hanging, but I'm hoping a couple might get answers now.

Well, DPC warned at the start that this game might not be for people going through a tough time, so I reckon we're going to some serious drama eventually, but not anywhere near the level of AL. Right now, I'd say we've had the 1st act of a 3 act structure:

• Act I - Setup: Exposition, Inciting Incident, Plot Point One
• Act II - Confrontation: Rising Action, Midpoint, Plot Point Two
• Act III - Resolution: Pre Climax, Climax, Denouement.

As for your other questions, we kind of already know the answers to a couple of them. 1 & 2 are that it's used to finance the HOTs and Sage knows this, 6 is very likely to be for Maya to forget about Josy and stop being gay because her Dad is a small-minded bigot, and 7 is probably interpreted by them as a serious but secret relationship as I can't see them being all that OK with an open relationship.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Unsaid is that while Josy was the first girl Maya slept with she probably wasn't the first girl she was attracted to. I'm sure Maya must've been aware that the fact she was a lesbian (her attraction to the MC makes her bi but that's new information to her) meant that at some point her father's bigotry would be a problem.

Or maybe she was. If Josy was her first girl crush and the one that made her realise she likes girls, it would explain why it was so hard for her to give up on Josy because those first loves are tough to let go of.

 

[lemonfreak]

Or maybe she was. If Josy was her first girl crush and the one that made her realise she likes girls, it would explain why it was so hard for her to give up on Josy because those first loves are tough to let go of.

A disticntion without meaning, Maya may have been attracted to girls before or she may not, that in no way alters the implication that her first sexual encounter was with Josy.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

The questions I most desperately want answered in an ideal world would be:

• Is this a lighthearted comedy, or is it intended to have heavy drama elements?
• Taking the game's story as a whole, are we in the beginning, middle, or end of that story?

Unfortunately, it's very unlikely those questions will ever be directly answered, much less in Episode 5. So a more realistic list would be:

1. Why does Quinn need money?
2. Why does Sage think Quinn needs money? (if she doesn't know the real reason)
3. Why is Sage so invested in her relationship with Chad?
4. Why are Jill and Bella such close friends?
5. What happened to Bella and her husband?
6. What was the ultimatum Maya's father gave to her?
7. If the MC/Maya/Josy 'try for something more,' is this intended to be a serious, committed relationship or a more preliminary, non-exclusively dating arrangement?

Number 7 should definitely be addressed by Episode 5. Most of the others will probably be left hanging, but I'm hoping a couple might get answers now.

You're two bulletin points on top I think are
#1 A bit of both. So far we have just started diving into the story and we have both drama and comedy.
#2 We are in the beginning. Most of the first season was just getting us to meet and get a feel for who the characters are. Make us feel for them as individuals. Think of it as tying strings on to our emotions associated with the MC and Characters. Now he gets to yank and pull on those strings.

I thought 4 had been answered as well. I cant remember it exactly but I thought Bella was a friend of the Jill's family and was looking out for Jill because of some trauma in Jill's past. Might have to replay it to see if I can find it.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I thought 4 had been answered as well. I cant remember it exactly but I thought Bella was a friend of the Jill's family and was looking out for Jill because of some trauma in Jill's past. Might have to replay it to see if I can find it.

I think that's heavily implied, but don't think its been explicitly stated.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

I think that's heavily implied, but don't think its been explicitly stated.

I could be mistaken but I thought it was more than that. I'll replay it and report back. I keep thinking Jill had an older sister and Bella and her were friends but something happened to the sister and Bella watches Jill out of remorse/regret/sense of loyalty. Could just be my old man memory misfiring. Let you know.....

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I could be mistaken but I thought it was more than that. I'll replay it and report back. I keep thinking Jill had an older sister and Bella and her were friends but something happened to the sister and Bella watches Jill out of remorse/regret/sense of loyalty. Could just be my old man memory misfiring. Let you know.....

Jill's sister is dead, yes, but the rest is what people are speculating about Bella and Jill's relationship, so it's kind of a merger of fact and theory.