VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Real Kreten]

Considering you can't get Cathy either on a M&J path I think it's an intentional opt out.

The thing is you can act the exact same towards M&J and they reject you based on things they can't possibly know. They can't know if you got Quinn's number and payed for sex, smoked in the rooftop... And they still reject you based on those things.

That's the problem, not everyone has to share your playstyle. And consdiering how many people here complain about not being able to get the Jill scene because they have CHICK status but DIK affinity it seems that a lot of people doesn't . But the game has to make sense for any playstyle. I'm all for decisions that matter, but in a way that makes sense. A DIK MC blocked from the M&J path? Absolutely. You can block the decision of being more than friends out so a DIK MC can't choose it, or have a DIK MC do something that M&J know and don't like, so they reject you... Anything. Right now as it's written it doesn't make any sense.

This is not about my playstyle. Choosing inconsistent decisions and wondering if MC behavior looks strange is the fault of the player, not the game. If MC behavior is to be normal, you have to input such behavior on him. Not because I write it to you, but because you want to enjoy the game.
Your suggestion that the game should allow different approaches to play and make sense could only be fulfilled by reducing 80% of the game's choices, what is far from improvements.

In addition, you forget that status and affinity means how other people see you. It was written right at the beginning of the game. When you have a DICK affinity, they reject you because they see you as a dick. So they won't reject you because of things they don't know (Quinn restaurants), but because of the image MC create about a himself.

 

[Selek]

After he kisses Bella in the library in ep 3, he says, "But if I had known the real reasons for her tears...and to her persona...I wouldn't have kissed her that night. I would have called out for help."

Thanks very much for this information, and for the rest of the info in your very helpful post. Wow, that's quite a statement by the MC. "I would have cried out for help"? Wow. That's rather alarming.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

This is not about my playstyle. Choosing inconsistent decisions and wondering if MC behavior looks strange is the fault of the player, not the game. If MC behavior is to be normal, you have to input such behavior on him. Not because I write it to you, but because you want to enjoy the game.
Your suggestion that the game should allow different approaches to play and make sense could only be fulfilled by reducing 80% of the game's choices, what is far from improvements.

It is about your playstyle. What do you define as "normal"? (And why do I have to uphold your criteria?) And mind you I would be all for the game to be more restrictive on choices. If the game allows for inconsistent behaviour (however we define it) it's the game's fault. Your suggestion seems to be to allow contradicting choices even if it leads to nonsensical or "not normal" results, which I don't see how it could be any better.

And I don't think you should tell people how to have fun with the game. Some people like RP, some don't and there's nothing wrong with that. That should be DPC's decision, if anyone's.

In addition, you forget that status and affinity means how other people see you. It was written right at the beginning of the game. When you have a DICK affinity, they reject you because they see you as a dick. So they won't reject you because of things they don't know (Quinn restaurants), but because of the image MC create about a himself.

No, I don't forget about that. DPC made a wonderful job at that. A DIK MC talks differently than a CHICK one, calling the ANO preps sometimes and things like that (that Jill catches on, btw). But in regards to J&M what behavioral changes does the MC have that changes J&M's perception about you? It's too soon to have a reputation of being a certain way. If they heard about the MC being a womanizer, some comment on Camila or Mona, anything... That would at least be something. (But the ingame checks don't check for that, just being a DIK).

 

[Real Kreten]

It is about your playstyle. What do you define as "normal"? (And why do I have to uphold your criteria?) And mind you I would be all for the game to be more restrictive on choices. If the game allows for inconsistent behaviour (however we define it) it's the game's fault. Your suggestion seems to be to allow contradicting choices even if it leads to nonsensical or "not normal" results, which I don't see how it could be any better.

And I don't think you should tell people how to have fun with the game. Some people like RP, some don't and there's nothing wrong with that. That should be DPC's decision, if anyone's.

No, I don't forget about that. DPC made a wonderful job at that. A DIK MC talks differently than a CHICK one, calling the ANO preps sometimes and things like that (that Jill catches on, btw). But in regards to J&M what behavioral changes does the MC have that changes J&M's perception about you? It's too soon to have a reputation of being a certain way. If they heard about the MC being a womanizer, some comment on Camila or Mona, anything... That would at least be something. (But the ingame checks don't check for that, just being a DIK).

Once again, I'm not telling you how to play the game, just not to complain. If the story doesn't suit you. Stop putting words that I didn't write in my mouth.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

Once again, I'm not telling you how to play the game, just not to complain. If the story doesn't suit you. Stop putting words that I didn't write in my mouth.

That's my problem right there. If I think something is not logical or a character is acting out of character I will complain, maybe there is a reason for it, maybe there is not. The scene about Bella deciding on the MC did a good job checking the MC's background, a DIK MC is gaining a bad reputation with Jill that could make her reject him in the future. Compared to those two M&J's scene seems not as well thought out.

I made some lengthy posts about Josy acting out of character in the library scene. Most of it was addressed in ep5. (We will never know if it was a retcon or in was planned out from the start, I'd rather think it was the latter). Which would put the blame on rejecting the MC in Maya, not Josy (also hinting a Josy DIK path, which I predicted), but I digress. It just doesn't seem to be enough background to justify a difference in how they percieve you, just railroading. (Like blocking MC's on the M&J path from Cathy).

I'll grant you the second one because you weren't technically telling people how to play, despite sounding like that.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

I remember seeing a picture of isabella in jill's room and next to that picture there was a picture of 2 people (not sure if that was jill). Maybe that picture will be pretty important in season 2 or episode 6. I feel like DPC must have put it there for a reason.

 

[Darkmetal]

People, I feel, are taking the affinity/status mechanic too literally. Regardless of what the game explanation says, the choices where one accrues them are still just a mechanic for the game to collect its data. In the same way that you gain hit points when you level up in an RPG, you don't magically get 10 extra because you went from 10xp to 11xp and BINGO! It's a representative concept of the cardio, endurance, muscle mass, fighting experience etc you've gained up to that time allowing you to fight for a longer time represented by a conceptual "number" that's easy to understand and for the game to track.

For me, and this is just how I personally regard it, affinity is who you are whilst status is how you want other people to see you.

Normally one might expect them to go the same way, but there is no inconsistency when they do not either. Anyone seeing Jacob without witnessing him do anything or ever talking to him will still think him a massive DIK just from the jacket he wears. People who get to know him may have a different perception.

A lot of people display a certain image but act differently when it comes to the crunch. Let's face it, there are plenty of guys IRL who would crack jokes or mock other people from the safety of the mansion balcony (DIK status) but melt back into the background when faced with Caleb (CHICK affinity). Conversely, there will be those that are quiet and polite in public but will step up and kick the shit out of Caleb too.

Let's take Derek. From the day you first see him trolling Cathy at the Orientation to the T-shirts he wears, he is screaming to the world to see him as DIK. Out of sight of others, do I think he will kick a person when he is down? No. Do I think he will jump into a river to save a drowning puppy? Yes. Have I ever witnessed him actually do any of those CHICK things? Of course not. I don't have to. I feel like I know him well enough to see through his pure DIK facade. So do Maya and Josy who believe Derek is actually a nice guy.

This is my "Derek build." The DIK status is off the scale of the bar itself, but affinity is neutral. Coincidently, it is also the build for my Maya/Josy route.


People that don't know this MC well at all - like Camila or Melanie etc. will see the status and treat me as such. M&J, OTOH, both know MC well enough to see past the front to the person. I have no problem with the game's DIK/CHICK mechanic based on how I interpret it.

 

[StarWulf]

I will say this. Everything, minus Sugar Tits "business venture idea" and "possible coup", was fantastic. Still love Sugar Tits though, though she seemed slightly off character. Then again Cake does have a problem with consistancy with writing shit. As we all know.

P.S. Young Bella reminds me of Shaundi from Saints Row 3 and I approve.

 

[StarWulf]

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How not to love her, without a doubt one of the best characters

Her smile

Softie Two is truly great. Deserves more love. And well... More drunking "relaxation".

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Does anybody have or know where to find a screen-grab/list of all the available scenes through episodes 1-5 ?

Cheers

You can use unren to unpack the game's rpa-archives and directly access the 6 GB of images. They mostly come in a folder structure images/epN/location and it is easy to find special scenes.

 

[StarWulf]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I NEED more Quinn. I really hope that she becomes a dating option in future updates. I realize she's just a side character and not one of the main females but I feel like she needs to be.

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Sugar Tits does need more love. And a better writer for her storyline and content.

 

[StarWulf]

Guys i was talking with a friend and we can all agree that ponytail sage best sage right?

Considering it is the Sagey One and it suits her better than her previous hairstyle... Yes.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Sometimes I wonder if I'd grok the game better if I played all five episodes in the space of a week, rather than spread out over a year, heh.

For example, people have been recalling the MC's monologue in the library -- something about screaming and running away. I'd completely forgotten that. And I can't seem to find the right spot in my save for it. What did he say exactly?

Also, I don't recall the soldier/mannequin from the drunkenness scene, and I didn't even notice the shoe when I looked under the locked door in this episode! I don't suppose anyone took screenshots of either?

The library scene is near the end of ep.3. The making out is in the gallery but mc's monologue is not.
On Wednesday (Hell Week) mc visits Jill in the ano house and asks her for a date. Afterwards he has the option to visit Isabella in the library before going home to Maya where ep.3 ends.

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[f96zonetrooper]

Can't seem to find this special render, can anyone point me to the correct spot?

Check the OP #1 on page 1. Just above the sample images there is a link to a guide to all ep.5 Render Rewards.

 

[phoesi]

Just finished the latest update....again a great episode...i dont want this story to ever end

 

[scar.]

hello everyone please i am looking for the translation in italian but op refer to a page that is not the translation (I apologize for my bad english)

 

[ChipLecsap]

People, I feel, are taking the affinity/status mechanic too literally. Regardless of what the game explanation says, the choices where one accrues them are still just a mechanic for the game to collect its data. In the same way that you gain hit points when you level up in an RPG, you don't magically get 10 extra because you went from 10xp to 11xp and BINGO! It's a representative concept of the cardio, endurance, muscle mass, fighting experience etc you've gained up to that time allowing you to fight for a longer time represented by a conceptual "number" that's easy to understand and for the game to track.

For me, and this is just how I personally regard it, affinity is who you are whilst status is how you want other people to see you.

Normally one might expect them to go the same way, but there is no inconsistency when they do not either. Anyone seeing Jacob without witnessing him do anything or ever talking to him will still think him a massive DIK just from the jacket he wears. People who get to know him may have a different perception.

A lot of people display a certain image but act differently when it comes to the crunch. Let's face it, there are plenty of guys IRL who would crack jokes or mock other people from the safety of the mansion balcony (DIK status) but melt back into the background when faced with Caleb (CHICK affinity). Conversely, there will be those that are quiet and polite in public but will step up and kick the shit out of Caleb too.

Let's take Derek. From the day you first see him trolling Cathy at the Orientation to the T-shirts he wears, he is screaming to the world to see him as DIK. Out of sight of others, do I think he will kick a person when he is down? No. Do I think he will jump into a river to save a drowning puppy? Yes. Have I ever witnessed him actually do any of those CHICK things? Of course not. I don't have to. I feel like I know him well enough to see through his pure DIK facade. So do Maya and Josy who believe Derek is actually a nice guy.

This is my "Derek build." The DIK status is off the scale of the bar itself, but affinity is neutral. Coincidently, it is also the build for my Maya/Josy route.
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People that don't know this MC well at all - like Camila or Melanie etc. will see the status and treat me as such. M&J, OTOH, both know MC well enough to see past the front to the person. I have no problem with the game's DIK/CHICK mechanic based on how I interpret it.

WOW, Just WOW, Dude, Holy Shit. Well said Man. This is literally the Smartest comment about this subject! . The examples that you used, everything is very well thoughtful. This is how i see it also , but you were able to express you opinion way more and smarter than I was able to do .

 

[anonymoussposter]

Looks like we will get to see lot of drama related to sage and chad in next update

 

[Tanvir Ahmed]

i am tempted to see the mail mc father have for him
hope the next update give some content about that

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Experience in AL tells me that when you reject a potential LI, you will not have any chance of initiating it again. But then again I haven't tried rejecting any LIs and Jade is also not a LI but a sex target like the cheerleaders in AL. What you said might happen.

If I recall correctly, Rena could still be the end of game LI even if you don't have sex with her. The MC just has to have a few moments with her and either choose her in ep 6, or have Megan or Melissa leave him after the Leah incident. So, even with minimal interactions, there's still a chance with Rena.

This game, of course, is different, and there have been chances to be locked out of certain LIs like Bella and Sage as you can get that lock symbol on them at the end of ep 3 if you haven't met certain requirements to ask to stay with them. But this recent episode had a forced scene to stay with Bella even if she's locked off and, apparently, even if you're not on either of those paths, there are moments that suggest they could reopen, same with M&J when they tell the MC that they rejected or who rejected them that they do have feelings for him.

Jade may not be a main LI, but the MC will surely want to explain to her why he wasn't there and this could really go either way; he can either end it by not giving an excuse and saying he's changed his mind, or he can try again by making up a reason why he wasn't there. With the latter option, Jade could believe his story and thus be convinced to give him another chance. But it could also be that we, as the player, don't get the choice and Jade dismisses him regardless, kind of like of how the Cathy interactions end without a choice on the M&J path.

So right now, I don't see it being a guaranteed certainty that it's over with Jade until we get a chance to talk to her and I hope we can convince her to give the MC another shot because there are perfectly plausible excuses that could work.