VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Holy Bacchus]

If I recall correctly, the walkthrough for AL said that we need to stalk Rena with every opportunity There was a playthrough where I interacted with her for a few times, did not go to her house and did not dance with her at the camp fire, and she rejected me at the concert.

Rena is considered a main LI I guess? So that's why I made the distinction of LI and non-LI. So far Jade totally gave me the cold shoulder and I haven't tried a playthrough where I totally reject a main LI (Sage and Bella are too hard to pass up on). I can try a playthrough when I am up for it where I totally focus on one girl and reject all the others and see how the story plays out.

I was playing CHICK affinity in one playthrough and I totally rejected her advances. For that playthrough she totally ignored me at the party (as shown in the screenshot in my previous post).

Well, what I meant by minimal interactions was that you could dance with her, go to her house, etc, but that even without having sex with her, you can still end up with her.

For Jade, I did everything except meet her in ep 4 so my MC has shown a willingness to be with her and this is why I think that, for those who have done this, there could still be a way to get some Jade action, especially since Maya has basically given the MC a free pass to be with other women while they figure out what their relationship is to each other, so he should have issue doing it.

If she dismisses the MC out of hand, then OK, it's not what I would have wanted or think should happen, but there at least needs to be a scene where the MC talks to her about it for those of us that only missed out on that one scene, and I'm pretty sure we'll get that because he'll know he has to straighten things out with her.

 

[jackofshadows]

For me, and this is just how I personally regard it, affinity is who you are whilst status is how you want other people to see you.

Normally one might expect them to go the same way, but there is no inconsistency when they do not either. Anyone seeing Jacob without witnessing him do anything or ever talking to him will still think him a massive DIK just from the jacket he wears. People who get to know him may have a different perception.

A lot of people display a certain image but act differently when it comes to the crunch.

Interesting interpretation, man. Affinity - something that reveals only under pressure, thus shows true nature of the main character. However, if we look at list of major dik choices, I'd say it's not the case:

Major (DIK) Choices :
ep.1 - Beat up Troy
ep.1 - Get the number of Quinn's restaurant
ep.2 - Mini-mart : Ignore Steve
ep.2 - Gym : Fight the Jocks (enables Caleb below)
ep.3 - The Pink Rose : Party without limits
ep.3 - Gender Studies (Jade) : Take it further
ep.4 - Roof : Smoke weed
ep.5 - Fight Caleb (requires : Fight the Jocks above)
ep.5 - Hit Tybalt

Roughly only half of the choices are imply pressure and/or a super-tight time frame.

As for status, DPC introduces it like this:

Merely a current mood of MC, which sorta make sense given fast and crazy pacing of our storytelling although polar minor choices within the same playthrough might seem too inconsistent just for one person. Given this and confusing presentation at the end of each episode as you've provided

where status range slapped on top of affinity axis I assumed at first that when we're making a major choice, we're also reducing the maximum possible amount of DIK/CHICK points, which actually is not correct. However, official walkthrough's description confusing about this as well:

Penalty to the status. I wonder if that was original DPC's intention but during the implementation he abandoned the idea or it was the other way around.

Returning to the M/J issue, I disagree that they're capable to see through MC given your interpretation, it's simply too soon storywise. As for what affinity as I see it - simply what defines MC: his reputation, his attitude outside of player's minor choices and I wish even his appearance ajustments (shame that it's next to impossible given technical aspect of the game). To put it bluntly - it's written on his face. It just an example of a bad implementation with M/J, unfortunately. Basically something like this is inevitable within such a relatively complicated game.

 

[Ilhares]

oh right i totally forgot. We might get to find out who Chad's sidechick is haha

You've already been introduced to Troy.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Returning to the M/J issue, I disagree that they're capable to see through MC given your interpretation, it's simply too soon storywise. As for what affinity as I see it - simply what defines MC: his reputation, his attitude outside of player's minor choices and I wish even his appearance ajustments (shame that it's next to impossible given technical aspect of the game). To put it bluntly - it's written on his face. It just an example of a bad implementation with M/J, unfortunately. Basically something like this is inevitable within such a relatively complicated game.

I have to agree with you there. Because for the love of god, based on Darkmetal's interpretation, I cannot figure out why being a DIK or normal person that I am (DIK / Neutral affinity), who has been gentlemanly in every way possible (CHICK Status) to Jill and her associates (Bella, Tybalt) is not allowed to shower together with her.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Interesting interpretation, man. Affinity - something that reveals only under pressure, thus shows true nature of the main character. However, if we look at list of major dik choices, I'd say it's not the case:

Roughly only half of the choices are imply pressure and/or a super-tight time frame.

As for status, DPC introduces it like this:

Merely a current mood of MC, which sorta make sense given fast and crazy pacing of our storytelling although polar minor choices within the same playthrough might seem too inconsistent just for one person. Given this and confusing presentation at the end of each episode as you've provided

where status range slapped on top of affinity axis I assumed at first that when we're making a major choice, we're also reducing the maximum possible amount of DIK/CHICK points, which actually is not correct. However, official walkthrough's description confusing about this as well:

Penalty to the status. I wonder if that was original DPC's intention but during the implementation he abandoned the idea or it was the other way around.

Returning to the M/J issue, I disagree that they're capable to see through MC given your interpretation, it's simply too soon storywise. As for what affinity as I see it - simply what defines MC: his reputation, his attitude outside of player's minor choices and I wish even his appearance ajustments (shame that it's next to impossible given technical aspect of the game). To put it bluntly - it's written on his face. It just an example of a bad implementation with M/J, unfortunately. Basically something like this is inevitable within such a relatively complicated game.

I just grabbed one of my ep.5 ending screens for neutral affinity. As you can see, doing 4 DIK and 4 CHICK choices cut away both the Massive DIK and Massive CHICK area permanently. This blocks events which require Massive DIK or Massive CHICK status for the rest of the game. Even if you only do DIK actions, your DIK score is capped at 15 instead of 20 before. And with the next episodes we likely will loose more parts of our DIK-meter.

 

[anonymoussposter]

Quinn is side girl

Wtf even

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Well, what I meant by minimal interactions was that you could dance with her, go to her house, etc, but that even without having sex with her, you can still end up with her.

For Jade, I did everything except meet her in ep 4 so my MC has shown a willingness to be with her and this is why I think that, for those who have done this, there could still be a way to get some Jade action, especially since Maya has basically given the MC a free pass to be with other women while they figure out what their relationship is to each other, so he should have issue doing it.

If she dismisses the MC out of hand, then OK, it's not what I would have wanted or think should happen, but there at least needs to be a scene where the MC talks to her about it for those of us that only missed out on that one scene, and I'm pretty sure we'll get that because he'll know he has to straighten things out with her.

Yeah, I hate it when there are times we are required to make decisions like that. The part at the party where I have to choose go back to Maya or stay and party with Sage I can accept, but not the one at the ending of Ep 4. What if I want to be in something more with M/J and bed Jade?

For Rena, I made sure I did EVERYTHING with her to make sure I get her. Now Ana is a surprise to me, a consolation prize even though I did not want to end up with her.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

What if I want to be in something more with M/J and bed Jade?

Unfortuneatly : It's not a harem game ... by design.

You have to play the game twice to get M&J and Jade/Cathy.

In AL you had to play the game 3 times to get your endings with Megan, Melissa and Rena.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Unfortuneatly : It's not a harem game ... by design.

You have to play the game twice to get M&J and Jade/Cathy.

In AL you had to play the game 3 times to get your endings with Megan, Melissa and Rena.

Except this isn't about it being a harem game, it's simply about how choosing one thing doesn't necessarily have to stop another. In this case, yes, the MC missed out on an opportunity with Jade by deciding to be with M&J and stay at the party with them, but this doesn't necessarily have to end the Jade content on this path when the MC still has ample opportunity to explain to her why he didn't make, even if it would be a lie. Hell, he could have even said to M&J after that, "I gotta be somewhere just now, but I'll see you guys later", and then gone to meet with Jade.

Point is, that just because the MC is on the M&J path, doesn't mean this has to cut off side characters like Cathy and Jade, especially when the MC currently has a free pass to be with other women.

 

[ename144]

The scene near end of ep5 where Melanie and Sarah watch mc and Sage kissing.

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Still completely confused by this scene.

If we assume Melanie means to call Chad, what does she expect to happen? They didn't take a picture, so all she could tell him is that the MC openly kissed Sage. Isn't that what Chad feared was going on back when he first clashed with the MC back in Episode 1? This might be confirmation of his fears, but why does Melanie think this will make Chad less determined to stick with Sage?

Riona thought Chad attacked the MC over Sage, which is a pretty reasonable guess for anyone who doesn't know about the envelopes. Unless Melanie and Sarah do know about the envelopes, then surely they would likewise assume Chad is already willing to fight the MC over Sage. Meaning he would fight to 'defend' the relationship - practically the opposite of breaking up with her. So why do they think hearing she kissed the MC would reverse Chad's response?

Frankly, even if Melanie and Sarah do know about the envelopes I'm not sure how watching the MC kiss Sage would help break up Chad and Sage. Chad's envelope obviously had evidence of some secret Chad wanted to keep hidden; that seems like a much better tool to force a breakup than hearsay about something Chad already suspects.

For the life of me I just cannot see any way to make sense of their actions, unless they really are just crazy chicks who like to stir up shit and feel very slightly guilty about making Sage feel bad.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Unfortuneatly : It's not a harem game ... by design.

You have to play the game twice to get M&J and Jade/Cathy.

In AL you had to play the game 3 times to get your endings with Megan, Melissa and Rena.

It's ok if the game cockblock me with the LIs (like going to Bella or Jill or Sage instead of M/J), but with a fling / conquest and have consequences?

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Still completely confused by this scene.

If we assume Melanie means to call Chad, what does she expect to happen? They didn't take a picture, so all she could tell him is that the MC openly kissed Sage. Isn't that what Chad feared was going on back when he first clashed with the MC back in Episode 1? This might be confirmation of his fears, but why does Melanie think this will make Chad less determined to stick with Sage?

Riona thought Chad attacked the MC over Sage, which is a pretty reasonable guess for anyone who doesn't know about the envelopes. Unless Melanie and Sarah do know about the envelopes, then surely they would likewise assume Chad is already willing to fight the MC over Sage. Meaning he would fight to 'defend' the relationship - practically the opposite of breaking up with her. So why do they think hearing she kissed the MC would reverse Chad's response?

Frankly, even if Melanie and Sarah do know about the envelopes I'm not sure how watching the MC kiss Sage would help break up Chad and Sage. Chad's envelope obviously had evidence of some secret Chad wanted to keep hidden; that seems like a much better tool to force a breakup than hearsay about something Chad already suspects.

For the life of me I just cannot see any way to make sense of their actions, unless they really are just crazy chicks who like to stir up shit and feel very slightly guilty about making Sage feel bad.

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[BlastMonk]

Alright I discovered this games like 4 days ago, blitzed all of it multiple times to get the Dik and Chick affinity, and now I just feel so empty. How do boys cope

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Except this isn't about it being a harem game, it's simply about how choosing one thing doesn't necessarily have to stop another. In this case, yes, the MC missed out on an opportunity with Jade by deciding to be with M&J and stay at the party with them, but this doesn't necessarily have to end the Jade content on this path when the MC still has ample opportunity to explain to her why he didn't make, even if it would be a lie. Hell, he could have even said to M&J after that, "I gotta be somewhere just now, but I'll see you guys later", and then gone to meet with Jade.

Point is, that just because the MC is on the M&J path, doesn't mean this has to cut off side characters like Cathy and Jade, especially when the MC currently has a free pass to be with other women.

It completely depends on DPC which options the mc/player will get in the next episodes and how the story with Jade evolves. Making a move on Jade in ep.4 and then choosing M&J gives mc the flag : ep4_rejectedJade = True which has the effect in ep.5 that Jade ignores mc.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Alright I discovered this games like 4 days ago, blitzed all of it multiple times to get the Dik and Chick affinity, and now I just feel so empty. How do boys cope

By theory-crafting on this forum

 

[xsssssssss]

Still completely confused by this scene.

Maybe Melanie is spying for Chad like we were for Sage.

 

[BlastMonk]

I've the last 300 pages and haven't seen this theory, but what are peoples thought that MC will have to choose between M/J and Sage.
M/J are fine with no strings right now but Sage is beginning to develop feelings for MC.

I think as Sage gets kicked out as pres and quinns story develops and everyone turns on her after Chad breaks up with her she will wanna crash at yours since you owe her a favour and she needs the support. I think this will coincide with M/J wanting to become exclusive. Possibly at the very moment M/J and MC are having this convo Sage calls/comes over for help cause that would be delicious delicious drama.

thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 1957140]

So in a game called Being a Dik, if you are a Dik, you only get 1 main girl+all side girls(not complaining though, Sage is awesome). Maya+Josy are cut if you are pro Dik. Though it being a DPC game, they might break up and one of them might end up with MC. Another fact is that even if you are on Maya+Josy path, they have different encounters with scores. Not a typical threesome it seems. So one or both may leave MC too. I love Jill and Bella(not Jill+Bella) in Chick path. Jill is just too adorable. And Bella is... well, perfect(if you are inclined to that type, which I am). But I didn't like the hint that they might have had sexual encounter. Please don't be lazy DPC, like some other Devs by making every girl Lesbian or Bi. It's not necessary imo, but others may feel differently. Btw, I have a very strong feeling that there is no happy ending by pursuing both Jill and Bella(same as Maya+Josy).

On a different note, I didn't really understand why Maya+Josy could not be romanced in Dick only path. At the very start of the game Josy was impressed by Dik choices. I guess they are stored for more of a neutral(bipolar) gameplay. Specially at the start of episode 2, the sex scene with Maya only triggers if you have neutral status(-2 -0- +2); which I hated profusely. In my three playthroughs, I never got it. I need to sit down and calculate every single point upto that scene to make it happen I guess.

Still Amazing game. Best in VN business(of making people ehm... happy).

P.S. Don't make characters Bi just for fan service. It breaks the image that is built from start.

 

[mindern]

Except this isn't about it being a harem game, it's simply about how choosing one thing doesn't necessarily have to stop another. In this case, yes, the MC missed out on an opportunity with Jade by deciding to be with M&J and stay at the party with them, but this doesn't necessarily have to end the Jade content on this path when the MC still has ample opportunity to explain to her why he didn't make, even if it would be a lie. Hell, he could have even said to M&J after that, "I gotta be somewhere just now, but I'll see you guys later", and then gone to meet with Jade.

Point is, that just because the MC is on the M&J path, doesn't mean this has to cut off side characters like Cathy and Jade, especially when the MC currently has a free pass to be with other women.

I agree randomly blocking off for no reason is bad but this was a timing issue. It’s not insane that he stood Jade up because he was with Maya/Josy.

There’s a balancing act for me personally. I don’t like random routes being mutually exclusive and I don’t like WMV style “MC can have 7 dates and ejaculate 6 times in one evening” freedom to date everyone at once.

infact going forward I think the MC being absent when with other girls should be noticed. Maya brings it up on Rooster that Bella’s is “where he keeps disappearing to”. That is realism to me, characters existing and making decisions when not directly in the MC’a vicinity.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

It completely depends on DPC which options the mc/player will get in the next episodes and how the story with Jade evolves. Making a move on Jade in ep.4 and then choosing M&J gives mc the flag : ep4_rejectedJade = True which has the effect in ep.5 that Jade ignores mc.

I just did a run on my CHICK playthrough save and confirmed two things. Not sure when, maybe when I rejected Jade's move in her class, she didn't come up to me and offer advice and opportunity after MC called his dad, and when I chose friend at the party, I ended up in Derek's room the next morning since Jade did not offer me.

So there's more than the ep4_rejectedJade flag?