VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Cndyrvr4lf]

1st floor where you first started, look for down arrow to the room where you got the suit, she should be standing outside.

2nd floor first is where you need the suit to get to to find Lily

AvatarStormBringer he probably told her he didn't want a personal stripper and at that point Lily sneaks out to go to the Pink Rose

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

2nd floor first is where you need the suit to get to to find Lily

AvatarStormBringer he probably told her he didn't want a personal stripper and at that point Lily sneaks out to go to the Pink Rose

I did struggle with the floor thing when i typed that post. I'm from Malaysia and we have this thing called the ground floor (where the party is at ), so that's why I put 1st floor.

 

[IkarusWestwood]

Why would you not tell him about his mother? What's in a name? I'm not saying tell him everything. Your mothers family fucked us over and your mother died and fuck them all type thing but I know my grandparents married and maiden names even if I don't know everything about them. I'm not saying tell him the whole story but why do a total blackout? How many people share your last name? I know there have to be a ton of people who share my last name. OMG the world is huge and there's a million Johnson's. Imagine having to investigate every single one? Which one is my grandson? If his own daughter DYING and him not caring then no I don't think he would give a flying eff after 20 years. The love triangle is pretty movie-ish.

If MC and his father have an unusual surname t’s easier to find MC and it’s easier to swallow that information in terms of the game’s history.

And I was thinking, maybe it’s not MC’s grandfather? Some theories about MC being a burgmeister say that Rusty is MC's cousin, so maybe it's not MC's grandfather who sent the letter, but Rusty's father.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Who knows anything is possible I guess. Why wait 19 years then? 18 would have been legal, 21 is when most trust funds kick in. What's so special about 19? Not enough info.

 

[Sleeping In Pieces]

The scene near end of ep5 where Melanie and Sarah watch mc and Sage kissing.

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That convo got me thinking. Are they just staging an intervention to finally break up a relationship that has clearly become unhealthy, or is one of them(or somebody they know) Chad's side chick after all?
It doesn't look like either of them are, given how eager they are to get some action with MC, but then again, the girls with jock boyfriends seem to have gotten into the habit of getting their itches scratched elsewhere.

And I was thinking, maybe it’s not MC’s grandfather? Some theories about MC being a burgmeister say that Rusty is MC's cousin, so maybe it's not MC's grandfather who sent the letter, but Rusty's father.

Really, for all we know, MC's mother may well be a Burke. After all, what little we know of the Burgmeisters tells us they're rather cool as a family. A bit entitled but not snobs to the point of disowning someone who marries wrong. The Burkes OTOH...

 

[NOVASSR]

Maybe the grandfather died and now Rusty's father is in charge or something like that

 

[chronomate]

Reading the last few pages of this thread, one of my biggest wishes for this game is no more mysterious letters.

 

[IkarusWestwood]

Reading the last few pages of this thread, one of my biggest wishes for this game is no more mysterious letters.

One of my biggest wishes too LOL, the damn game always has more questions than answers.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Who knows anything is possible I guess. Why wait 19 years then? 18 would have been legal, 21 is when most trust funds kick in. What's so special about 19? Not enough info.

Yea, but for the game, having sex before 18th birthday = underage sex?

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Yea, but for the game, having sex before 18th birthday = underage sex?

It's the MC's 19th birthday, I think

 

[ename144]

I'm not assuming anything. The only thing I'm arguing is that it makes absolutely 0% sense to advance less than 48 hours from "Your not worth it for us to take this chance on you" to "Ok we're all going to try this relationship and instead of being faithful to each other now we can fuck anyone/anywhere." That's the only thing I'm arguing is that it's totally unrealistic and was only done to make the story work.

Part of the problem here is that, quite frankly, Being a DIK is pulling a fast one on us. From poking around in the game code, we know Maya and Josy will reject the MC in Episode 4 if he has a DIK affinity, or if he never had sex with either of them. Yet when a rejected MC plays through both girl's scenes in Episode 5, we learn they each would have been in favor of the relationship if not for the other girl.

So even though there ARE objective reasons for them to reject the MC, carefully modeled by existing game mechanics, the game will lie to us about those reasons when queried. It's the classic case of someone being voted down unanimously, only for each of the voters to assure the loser in private that they were out voted.

Similarly, when the MC is just friends with them, they will endlessly talk up their attraction. When the MC agrees to be their combined boyfriend, well, now it's nothing special. I think some of it is fear of angering the player again after the fallout from Episode 4. But mostly I think it just comes down to trying to maximize the impact of each individual path.

It seems to me that DPC feels the different branches are free to have their own continuity. So if we follow Maya, in that branch it really was Josy who was hesitant to include the MC; if you follow Josy, it really was the other way around. If that is what DPC thinks, then IMHO he's just wrong. That sort of subjective narrative will invariably confuse the players, and it ultimately undermines the impact of the player's choices because it turns out there are a bunch of other variables crowding those choices out.

What I find so irksome about this particular case is that the problem could have been solved by forcing the MC to take a real interest in the other girls from the start. While the player can choose to avoid sex with Maya and Josy, the MC is absolutely going to make out with and crush on both of them in the first 3 Episodes no matter what we do. But with Bella and Sage, even though the MC shows interest in them, we can actually choose to remain remarkably chaste: a one-time drunken kiss with Bella, and a few not-necessarily-sexual embraces with Sage. Even with Jill, while the MC must date her, we can decline to kiss her at all and are specifically given the option to make that date about sticking it to Tybalt rather than genuine interest in Jill.

That's why it's so weird that the instant the trio form their joint relationship, the MC won't stop declaring he's still dating other girls. He mentions it in the Episode 4 wrap-up. He mentions it to Derek. He mentions it in the video call at night. And it's one of his first concerns when they finally have their big discussion at the picnic. Where the hell was this insistence on playing the field when you were refusing to so much as flirt with Sage, MC? When the MC complains about Josy and Maya cheating on each other, we saw that happen. When the MC insists he's not ready to commit to Maya and Josy, that really depends on what we chose as the player.

If the MC had pursued Sage, Jill and Bella with the same determination he had pursued Maya and Josy, I could believe he was genuinely confused about just how serious his feelings for Maya and Josy are. It would still be weird for the two of them to risk their relationship on a 'no strings' deal, but at least then it could be seen as a concession to how much it mattered for the MC to be sure this was the real deal.

Instead, despite an MC demonstrating time and again that Maya and Josy meant more to him than any of the other girls, the game will refuse to reflect those decisions in this one area. Which would be an easily acceptable oversight if this matter weren't such a crucial part of the Maya/Josy path. I really don't get why it was done this way, but there we have it. Let's hope the problem either doesn't last long or is better handled going forward.

Anyway, I've ranted on this topic several times now. I guess I really needed to sort out my thoughts, but this is going to have to be my final word on the matter.

 

[anonymoussposter]

Only reason i tend to agree with theory of mc mother from B-family is bcz it would create lot of drama

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

They don't reject you for those things, they reject you because you haven't gotten enough RP with them, on the way dik conversations change, for example, flirting as dik usually leads to a sordid pyropo, while choosing the same as a chick makes you say a sweet compliment, as a chick that option makes you win RP and as dik makes you lose it and you have to choose the other option (you don't lose the PR but you don't win it either). Dpc is not a fool and has been able to justify why in the dik way some girls may come to reject you, and it is not magic or that they read the mind of the player's decisions, is that the MC interacts differently.

No, not at all. The condition for rejection in that conversation is being a DIK or not, RP is irrelevant.

Conversations slightly change if you are a DIK, slightly.

I'm not assuming anything. The only thing I'm arguing is that it makes absolutely 0% sense to advance less than 48 hours from "Your not worth it for us to take this chance on you" to "Ok we're all going to try this relationship and instead of being faithful to each other now we can fuck anyone/anywhere." That's the only thing I'm arguing is that it's totally unrealistic and was only done to make the story work.

Ok we're all going to try this relationship and instead of being faithful to each other now we can fuck anyone/anywhere which means only the MC will because no NTR.

FTFY

 

[ShadowThrone]

I hope that we do not have to chose a final LI for a while yet.

I only have two saves. One where staying with Sage, the other with Bella. (both modified to include most content, eg. I am on M&J, Jade and Cathy paths)
The problem I have with too many saves is having to repeatedly play through free-roam (even partially), rooster and swyper

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Part of the problem here is that, quite frankly, Being a DIK is pulling a fast one on us. From poking around in the game code, we know Maya and Josy will reject the MC in Episode 4 if he has a DIK affinity, or if he never had sex with either of them. Yet when a rejected MC plays through both girl's scenes in Episode 5, we learn they each would have been in favor of the relationship if not for the other girl.

So even though there ARE objective reasons for them to reject the MC, carefully modeled by existing game mechanics, the game will lie to us about those reasons when queried. It's the classic case of someone being voted down unanimously, only for each of the voters to assure the loser in private that they were out voted.

Similarly, when the MC is just friends with them, they will endlessly talk up their attraction. When the MC agrees to be their combined boyfriend, well, now it's nothing special. I think some of it is fear of angering the player again after the fallout from Episode 4. But mostly I think it just comes down to trying to maximize the impact of each individual path.

It seems to me that DPC feels the different branches are free to have their own continuity. So if we follow Maya, in that branch it really was Josy who was hesitant to include the MC; if you follow Josy, it really was the other way around. If that is what DPC thinks, then IMHO he's just wrong. That sort of subjective narrative will invariably confuse the players, and it ultimately undermines the impact of the player's choices because it turns out there are a bunch of other variables crowding those choices out.

What I find so irksome about this particular case is that the problem could have been solved by forcing the MC to take a real interest in the other girls from the start. While the player can choose to avoid sex with Maya and Josy, the MC is absolutely going to make out with and crush on both of them in the first 3 Episodes no matter what we do. But with Bella and Sage, even though the MC shows interest in them, we can actually choose to remain remarkably chaste: a one-time drunken kiss with Bella, and a few not-necessarily-sexual embraces with Sage. Even with Jill, while the MC must date her, we can decline to kiss her at all and are specifically given the option to make that date about sticking it to Tybalt rather than genuine interest in Jill.

That's why it's so weird that the instant the trio form their joint relationship, the MC won't stop declaring he's still dating other girls. He mentions it in the Episode 4 wrap-up. He mentions it to Derek. He mentions it in the video call at night. And it's one of his first concerns when they finally have their big discussion at the picnic. Where the hell was this insistence on playing the field when you were refusing to so much as flirt with Sage, MC? When the MC complains about Josy and Maya cheating on each other, we saw that happen. When the MC insists he's not ready to commit to Maya and Josy, that really depends on what we chose as the player.

If the MC had pursued Sage, Jill and Bella with the same determination he had pursued Maya and Josy, I could believe he was genuinely confused about just how serious his feelings for Maya and Josy are. It would still be weird for the two of them to risk their relationship on a 'no strings' deal, but at least then it could be seen as a concession to how much it mattered for the MC to be sure this was the real deal.

Instead, despite an MC demonstrating time and again that Maya and Josy meant more to him than any of the other girls, the game will refuse to reflect those decisions in this one area. Which would be an easily acceptable oversight if this matter weren't such a crucial part of the Maya/Josy path. I really don't get why it was done this way, but there we have it. Let's hope the problem either doesn't last long or is better handled going forward.

Anyway, I've ranted on this topic several times now. I guess I really needed to sort out my thoughts, but this is going to have to be my final word on the matter.

Definitely not trying to drag you into again. It's the forced aspect that drives me nuts. The MC can turn down almost everyone but no matter what he gets dragged into the middle of the Josy/Maya love triangle. Drives me nuts as well.

 

[murphy88]

I just gave you a hint that in the current script for ep.1 - ep.5 the RP-points are not used as one would expect. They have almost no influence on the game. The following is a list of the effects on the game/story that I could find in the script using extensive search over all script files :

RPnerds : no effect on gameplay
RPjocks : no effect on gameplay
RPpreps : no effect on gameplay
RPdiks : if RPdiks > 4 : Pink Rose, Tommy buys mc a lapdance
RPhot : not used at all

RPmaya :
in ep.3 : "Play with her pussy (Maya likes you)" if RPmaya > 14 (-> ep3_lewd_maya_full)
in ep.5 : "Caress Maya": "Cheek": if RPmaya > 20: extra-screen with kiss

RPjosy :
in ep.5 : "Ass job": if RPjosy > 10: (-> ep5_lewd_josy_full)
in ep.5 : "Caress Josy": "Thigh": if RPjosy > 10: extra-screens

RPsage : no effect on gameplay
RPisabella : no effect on gameplay
RPjill : in ep.3 : Dungeons & Gremlins : if RPjill > 2: ji "...heal [name] with...a spell?"
RPderek : no effect on gameplay

At the moment RP-points are mostly used to decide which comment is used for BIOS and the end-of-episode-report, e.g. :
if RPjocks < 0:
$ bios_history_chad += "I got into an argument with the jocks over Sage. I didn't get off to a good start with them.\n\n"
or
if RPmaya > 0:
$ report_text += "If it wasn't for what just happened...I'd say we get along great."

These comments for BIOS or reports have no influence on the current story, so they don't effect the gameplay.

There is a screen definition (endingGirlScreen) to display a score for each main LI at the end of the game, how many points (%) mc got with them, but it seems it isn't used yet.

Decisions in the game are mostly influenced by affinity, status (DIK points) and earlier actions.

Example 1 : the M&J - decision for more than friends :
Requires : (ep2_fuckedJosy or ep3_mayaLewd) and affinity != "DIK" -> $ pathMayaJosy = True
ep2_fuckedJosy has no RP-requirement. It's the 2nd date where she asks mc to stay over night.
ep3_mayaLewd has no RP-requirement. MC has to offer to help Maya and has to choose to go home to Maya instead of staying at the party.

Example 2 : Isabella
Bella doesn't use her RP-points but a special system of ep3_bella_counter to determine if ep3_bella_came_around.
ep3_bella_counter is influenced by :
ep2_triedToKissBella, ep2_peekedBella, "Pay for her meal", ep1_insulted_cafeteria_worker, ep1_beat_up_troy, failedEnglish + failedMath, ep3_wearHelmet

What you say about bella are events that add or subtract RP and condition the conversation about you with jill, do the test yourself, I did it during a game in which she rejects me (supposedly as you say for having hit troy or been insulted by the waitress), I charged game just when she goes to talk to jill , I put more RP with the console and then if he spoke well of me. You can check it yourself too, if before the conversation with bella troy asks you if you are going to hit it again and the waitress will insult you, after the conversation with bella not add RP, but if those events do not occur at the end of the conversation with bella sums 2 RP. Dpc said to focus on our decisions, because they are the ones that add up or subtract events, but these decisions condition the RP and the RP scenes. Do what I say about adding RP with the console to bella on a tour where the requirements are not met and see for yourself how it speaks well of you.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

No, not at all. The condition for rejection in that conversation is being a DIK or not, RP is irrelevant.
Conversations slightly change if you are a DIK, slightly.
Ok we're all going to try this relationship and instead of being faithful to each other now we can fuck anyone/anywhere which means only the MC will because no NTR.
FTFY

First - What does FTFY mean? Let me in on the joke
Second - I know no NTR but that isn't what drives me nuts about that scene is that Maya is the one who wants it. I could see the MC pushing for it but why would Maya do it?

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Just curious and I might have to try it tomorrow but can you go through and intentionally fail everything including fail the DIK evaluation? Has anyone tried it?

 

[Real Kreten]

Unlike most people, I'm not sure Maya's speech called for an open relationship. I do not reject this possibility, we will see later. But Maya also said that commitment should come from everyone's heart and not be imposed from outside.
DPC may give us a free hand to try elsewhere, but it's also possible that it's a catch and the calculation of our commitment to the polyamory relationship has begun.

 

[Gh0st_Harambe]

I agree that Maya doesn't appear to be looking for anyone else, but I don't think that's why she wants no strings anyway. I think she wants it because she thinks that's what will keep Josy and MC happy so they'll stay with her. Like I said above, I think Maya is afraid of being alone. She knows MC is seeing other people. She knows Josy cheated on her with MC. From her point of view, it's probably better to let her partners do what they want and come home to her than put restrictions on an already confusing relationship and risk driving them away.

(Also, I wouldn't put much stock in the Quinn kiss. It wasn't a romantic or sexual kiss, it was Quinn asserting dominance by making Maya uncomfortable.)

She does that so that she is not alone, besides Derek she has no one else