VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Cndyrvr4lf]

The Dik/Chick bar represent the MC's actions, the Dik/Chick points represent his thoughts. Only the player of the game can know what the MC's thoughts are, the NPC's are forced to judge him by his actions.

You are free to have an MC with severe cognitive dissonance, just don't expect the NPCs to recognise and forgive it.


Well, yes, obviously. The actions the hypothetical version of you (I say that to ensure you do not think I am accusing you of anything) take when not in her company should absolutely inform her decision making. If you are the sort of person who loses his temper and gets into fights all the time then she would be an idiot to get in a relationship with you since there is a non-zero chance that your violent tendancies (again, I'm decribing a hypothetical version of you) would be turned towards her.

No worries its not taken or intended as a personal attack, I understand that. Read your own words "gets into fights all the time" So far there hasn't been a chance to do anything "all the time". Literally 2 fights, 2 chances to smoke weed, 1 chance to let a teacher rub my dick with her foot, uh shit I don't remember all the rest of the major choices but so far their have been 10. Some of these are not known to people and probably never will be. None of these qualify as "all the time" and none of them would likely stack up to me being nice to a girl and honestly saying good things/good actions towards her trying to help her for the last 2 weeks straight. If a girl was that stupid that she believed rumor rather than her own eyes than she's fucking stupid.

I just think the system is extremely flawed and it was built that way.

 

[lemonfreak]

Really now? Than, your point is, you can think like an asshole all the time and it don't change who you are. But if you act like an asshole, it will slowy make you limited to asshole thoughts.

No, it will affect the perception of the MC in the eyes of the LIs. Being a fucking areshole and hiding it well may very well allow you to remain on good terms with the 'good' girls whereas acting like a douchebag player will make any 'good' girl immediately distrust you since you will already have a bad reputation.

 

[Soulbringer71]

SO FAR, MEGA AND NOPY, DOWNLOADS ARE CORRUPTED. THE OTHER SITES DONT EVEN STAY CONNECYTED LONG ENOUGH TO DOWNLOAD FILES THIS BIG. THEY ARE PROBABLY CORRUPTED FILE ALSO. ANY CHANCE ON GETTING THE MAIN FILE NOT CORRUPTED, FOR DOWNLOAD.. PLEASE? I LOVED THIS GAME .

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Arseholes can be nice and nice guys can be arseholes, congratulations, you have identified a different problem from the one being discussed. The real issue is that the LI's who favour the Chick version of the MC will hear about his Dik choices. The fact that he is a Chick in his heart and mind is of no consequence since they aren't psychic; they are forced to judge him by his actions and they're right to do so.

But many of the major choice actions are not ones they would ever know about, so how does that colour their perception of him? They can only truly judge him by how he has been with them and if he's been caring, attentive, and just an all around good guy then they would like and accept him if that's what they're looking for, but if he's been cocky, obnoxious, and inattentive, then that would put him in a bad light and make him more likely to be rejected.

Therefore, the minor choices are more impactful to how these character perceive the MC than the major choices.

The Dik/Chick bar represent the MC's actions, the Dik/Chick points represent his thoughts. Only the player of the game can know what the MC's thoughts are, the NPC's are forced to judge him by his actions.

You are free to have an MC with severe cognitive dissonance, just don't expect the NPCs to recognise and forgive it.

The points do not represent the MC's thoughts as they are pretty much all tied to actions. A few of these in the first episode were tied to the MC's thoughts and maybe this was how DPC originally intended it, but as the game has gone one they are more tied to his actions, like sniffing Maya's hair, spying on Bella, and sticking his finger in Lily's ass.

Doing these creepy, obnoxious, and often juvenile things are the actions that the NPCs can truly judge him on because there are more of them and build a better picture of the MC than him having a couple of fights, not being nice to a guy who was an asshole to him, and smoking a bit of pot.

The status points are a far better metric by which to judge the MC than the affinity, but even so, characters who judge the MC because of a status determined by actions that they couldn't possibly have any knowledge of is ridiculous. If anything, individual RP with each character or group of characters should hold the greatest weight of all in determining how he is viewed by them.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

The simple truth is that most of the Major choices would never be known by anyone other than the people there. Jade doesn't run tell the LI's that she rubbed her students dick in class, Steve doesn't run to B&R to tell everyone whether the MC talked to him or not, etc. etc. Almost none of those Major Choices would be known to anyone but those people there at the time and almost none of them are LI's. I agree with Holy Bacchus and ename144 the system is unrealistic

 

[Kodek]

No, it will affect the perception of the MC in the eyes of the LIs. Being a fucking areshole and hiding it well may very well allow you to remain on good terms with the 'good' girls whereas acting like a douchebag player will make any 'good' girl immediately distrust you since you will already have a bad reputation.

But then what is the point? If i'm a CHICK i will talk less crude and never make any sexual joke or conotation in dialogs. But smoking weed once would force me to make more sexual jokes and talk crude.

To top it all, even if i never acted like an asshole to the girls, they will magically know that i smoked weed and will immediattely judge me for it, fuck their OWN decisions on cheating on each other.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Sweet jebus, I'm still over 10 pages behind. I dare to hope you've got more of these around with the other characters. Riona, Camila, etc. These are outstanding.

Yes! I 2nd that. These 2 need a sig too.

Amazing work, man. Simply amazing.

I can't even decide which one should I use hahaha

Why choose when you just add a few together like the one you currently have?

 

[Kodek]

The simple truth is that most of the Major choices would never be none by anyone other than the people there. Jade doesn't run tell the LI's that she rubbed her students dick in class, Steve doesn't run to B&R to tell everyone whether the MC talked to him or not, etc. etc. Almost none of those Major Choices would be none to anyone but those people there at the time and almost none of them are LI's. I agree with Holy Bacchus and ename144 the system is unrealistic

Exactly! I'm can be all CHICK like, but everyone will magically know that i smoke and told Steve to fuck off and will judge the MC for it, even if they made worse decisions.

 

[Kodek]

And that's why i said all the way back there: The Minor choices mean way less or even nothing to the big picture in the end. All it matters is the Major ones.

 

[lemonfreak]

But then what is the point? If i'm a CHICK i will talk less crude and never make any sexual joke or conotation in dialogs. But smoking weed once would force me to make more sexual jokes and talk crude.

To top it all, even if i never acted like an asshole to the girls, they will magically know that i smoked weed and will immediattely judge me for it, fuck their OWN decisions on cheating on each other.

I grant you, the weed smoking is a problem because it doesn't match with previous Dik choices like beating up Troy. However, and this is purely a fan theory with no in-game evidence to support it, Maya especially has been raised in a fundmentalist Christian household. We know her dad is against homosexuality, it's not a stretch to assume he's also against drugs and that that particualr hang up may still be present in Maya's mind.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

And that's why i said all the way back there: The Minor choices mean way less or even nothing to the big picture in the end. All it matters is the Major ones.

It should be the exact opposite. The little ones is where it should matter

 

[Deleted member 2024661]

This is one of the first games that I have followed continuously, I have seen many but this one has had my full attention. Great story, great graphics and a great job!


BUT!!!!I would still like to have additional choices.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

I grant you, the weed smoking is a problem because it doesn't match with previous Dik choices like beating up Troy. However, and this is purely a fan theory with no in-game evidence to support it, Maya especially has been raised in a fundmentalist Christian household. We know her dad is against homosexuality, it's not a stretch to assume he's also against drugs and that that particualr hang up may still be present in Maya's mind.

LMAO if it was that ingrained she wouldn't be a lesbian either. Read the bible lately? I'm not talking what churches have started to accept but what the bible says. If she was that worried about drugs she wouldn't be munching carpet either? I'm not saying the bible is right either but thats what it says

 

[Kodek]

I grant you, the weed smoking is a problem because it doesn't match with previous Dik choices like beating up Troy. However, and this is purely a fan theory with no in-game evidence to support it, Maya especially has been raised in a fundmentalist Christian household. We know her dad is against homosexuality, it's not a stretch to assume he's also against drugs and that that particualr hang up may still be present in Maya's mind.

I can give you that Maya would be against and could find about it. But let's change perspective then.

I didn't smoke weed, but i was a jerk to Steve. How would Maya/Josy know and why would she care about you being a jerk to someone that treated you like shit? In the end, they would change their decision because of Steve? Really?

 

[JeefZ]

This gettin' better LMFAO

 

[lemonfreak]

It should be the exact opposite. The little ones is where it should matter

Nah, with teenagers, reputation is everything and the Major choices are going to affect the NPC's perception of the MC. Minor choices might allow one LI to look past the major choices and see the potential for change but most won't.

I also agree with the theory that eventually the Dik/Chick bar will be reduced to a single point which will broadly define who our MC has become. The minor choices will determine which LI we end up with only after the major choices have been takne into account.

 

[Kodek]

Nah, with teenagers, reputation is everything and the Major choices are going to affect the NPC's perception of the MC. Minor choices might allow one LI to look past the major choices and see the potential for change but most won't.

I also agree with the theoy that eventually the Dik/Chick bar will be reduced to a single point which will broadly define who our MC has become. The minor choices will determine which LI we end up with only after the major choices have been takne into account.

How can something they can't possibly know about change their perspective? So it don't matter that i never made a single crude joke at Jill (or Maya, or any LI who prefers CHICK) or talked like an asshole. But because of things she don't know, she changes her perspective.

 

[JeefZ]

I'd give more of my 2 cents but I'm busy smokein' pot drinkin' beer watching a porn game site... But really I'm a nice guy..Seriously!

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

I said it earlier that most of the Major Choices you are referring to would never be known by anyone other than the people there. See

https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-v0-5-1-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-3651079

It's not part of "reputation" if no one knows about it

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I think that a better system than the DIK/CHICK status/affinity system would have been to have RP with individual characters and with groups of characters be the main metric for determining how characters perceive the MC. I know that a lot of VNs use this and it's probably why DPC went in a different direction, but it's an effective system.

Spending time with people, doing nice things for them, saying nice things to them, is generally how you form good relationships in the real world so why not reflect this in the game world too? Yes, this is somewhat how the DIK/CHICK status system works, but it does it in a broad sense and not an individual basis. Right now, you can have high RP with a character like Maya which means she likes the MC, but you can be locked out of some content because you have DIK status. That does not make sense. If she likes the MC on an individual basis, then that's all that should matter. Instead, a high RP with Maya is what should give you more access to her content and a lower RP gives you less access.

There could still have been an overall metric as well with something like a "reputation" meter for general actions not related to main characters that would come in to play like the status bar at times. However, it's effect could have just been limited to altering or adding some lines of dialogue to reflect how certain characters view the MC's reputation, like Bella who wouldn't like it if the MC had a bad reputation and would call him out on it or simply reference what she's heard about him. It could also have locked out certain content, but only in the event that the RP of a character isn't high enough to make them see past a bad reputation status.