Tserriednich'sNen

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Those flashbacks were of things already shown in past episodes to fill screentime, not new information.

Sage looks the kind of girl who gives everything in a relationship until the very end. I'm under the impression she's very loyal in that regard, despite her being actually cheating right now. That flashback to me didn't show anything new about her, except that the relationship was dead for longer than we originally thought.
To do so while she knows with out a shred of doubt that he's cheating on her and being very secretive about his affair with another person makes her seem like a fool imo, I wouldn't hesitate to rid myself of a partner like Chad (with a woman)
 

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To do so while she knows with out a shred of doubt that he's cheating on her and being very secretive about his affair with another person makes her seem like a fool imo, I wouldn't hesitate to rid myself of a partner like Chad (with a woman)
Take Jade's situation for example, knows her husband is cheating but doesn't divorce him due to the losses that come with divorces but definitely despises with whatever love she has/had for him all gone.
 

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I kinda understand Sage's hangup. She is in her last year. She has had what was for her a steady relationship for at least 2 years (as far as we know). She is probably thinking about life after college (marriage, children). And now everything is turned upside down with Chad cheating. I can understand how she would still hang on to that vision she had in her head. It would be wiser to just let it go, but it's hard to stay rational in such a situation. We have the luxury of 3rd eye vision and a long time to think. She only has had a week since seeing the proof of the cheating.

Sage needs time to process and come to grips on the situation. If she simply lets go, it would feel to her like the last 2 years were a waste.
 

ename144

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Take Jade's situation for example, knows her husband is cheating but doesn't divorce him due to the losses that come with divorces but definitely despises with whatever love she has/had for him all gone.
Well, Sage is a much better person than Jade, so it's no surprise she doesn't react with Jade's seething venom.

I'm certainly going to be disappointed is there isn't a very good reason for Sage to be this loyal; if Chad never cared about her then she will come across as a deluded, lovesick girl. But assuming she and Chad did have a meaningful relationship at one point, I'm not going blame Sage for trying to forgive Chad and repair things, or even be for being slow to acknowledge the end if it comes to that.
 

Tserriednich'sNen

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Well, Sage is a much better person than Jade, so it's no surprise she doesn't react with Jade's seething venom.

I'm certainly going to be disappointed is there isn't a very good reason for Sage to be this loyal; if Chad never cared about her then she will come across as a deluded, lovesick girl. But assuming she and Chad did have a meaningful relationship at one point, I'm not going blame Sage for trying to forgive Chad and repair things, or even be for being slow to acknowledge the end if it comes to that.
Good point, but based off that flashback their one sided relationship is at least a couple years old which is a huge red flag to me.
 
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I kinda understand Sage's hangup. She is in her last year. She has had what was for her a steady relationship for at least 2 years (as far as we know). She is probably thinking about life after college (marriage, children). And now everything is turned upside down with Chad cheating. I can understand how she would still hang on to that vision she had in her head. It would be wiser to just let it go, but it's hard to stay rational in such a situation. We have the luxury of 3rd eye vision and a long time to think. She only has had a week since seeing the proof of the cheating.

Sage needs time to process and come to grips on the situation. If she simply lets go, it would feel to her like the last 2 years were a waste.
Yeah, as hard as it might be for some people to wrap their heads around why Sage is so hung up on Chad, we don't know the full story. Not just about their relationship, but about Sage too. She may have issues related to her past that make it difficult for her to give up on Chad.

Perhaps she has a fear of abandonment, or an insecurity about not being loved, and so she clings to Chad because with him, she doesn't feel so alone and/or if he had been affectionate towards her in the early days then this feeling of being loved is what she holds on to and why she puts up with him. But now, the MC is starting to show her affection that may be greater than Chad, and he's often there for her when she needs him, which is why her feelings may be starting to change.

I'm sure we'll find out (hopefully soon) what the deal is exactly and, knowing DPC, it will probably be something that will fuck with the emotions.
 

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To do so while she knows with out a shred of doubt that he's cheating on her and being very secretive about his affair with another person makes her seem like a fool imo, I wouldn't hesitate to rid myself of a partner like Chad (with a woman)
There are some emotiaonally dependant women (and men) stuck in relationships like that, thinking they still can make it work and their partner being uninterested or even abusive, fully aware of their partner's dependency.
Take Jade's situation for example, knows her husband is cheating but doesn't divorce him due to the losses that come with divorces but definitely despises with whatever love she has/had for him all gone.
Jade's another kind of woman, I don't expect her to react the same way as Sage.
 
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I'm going to go against the prevailing sentiment here and say that flashback use should be kept to only useful information. Keep in mind that the content per episode and the amount of episodes are finite. When it's a choice between 2.5K renders of game vs 2K game + 0.5K flashbacks per episode, I choose the former.

The DIK founding flashback had a lot of useful tidbits such as the Tommy/Rusty dynamic and also set up a lot of things - the hell week task board result, Vinny for a possible re-entry into the game, the conversation between MC and Jill re Rusty, the later demolition of what Mr.Burgmiester paid for etc.

The M&J flashback OTOH didn't really do much at all, it didn't influence MC storming out (which already happened) nor have info vital to MC's decision at the end of that chapter. All it set up was essentially the diarrhea joke. That's a lot of render resources that could have been spent elsewhere.

Anything that can be explained in one paragraph (such as a DIK telling us why Vinny dropped out) should be IMO. ATM, I see two useful flashbacks. Jill being bullied/Sister death/first meeting with Bella (assuming they are connected) and a flashback hitting the moment we open the locked room and then fading to the present time to reveal what's inside.
 

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I'm going to go against the prevailing sentiment here and say that flashback use should be kept to only useful information. Keep in mind that the content per episode and the amount of episodes are finite. When it's a choice between 2.5K renders of game vs 2K game + 0.5K flashbacks per episode, I choose the former.

The DIK founding flashback had a lot of useful tidbits such as the Tommy/Rusty dynamic and also set up a lot of things - the hell week task board result, Vinny for a possible re-entry into the game, the conversation between MC and Jill re Rusty, the later demolition of what Mr.Burgmiester paid for etc.

The M&J flashback OTOH didn't really do much at all, it didn't influence MC storming out (which already happened) nor have info vital to MC's decision at the end of that chapter. All it set up was essentially the diarrhea joke. That's a lot of render resources that could have been spent elsewhere.

Anything that can be explained in one paragraph (such as a DIK telling us why Vinny dropped out) should be IMO. ATM, I see two useful flashbacks. Jill being bullied/Sister death/first meeting with Bella (assuming they are connected) and a flashback hitting the moment we open the locked room and then fading to the present time to reveal what's inside.
Re the M+J flashback, while them getting together could've been described, I feel that it greatly improves the portrayal of the relationship between Maya and Derek which needed a show, don't tell approach to really cement itself, imo.
 

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Hi, at the end of Chap 3, does your choice to go to Derek, Sage or Isabella change something?
Yes, it does, but not critical for now. Choose Bella if like her. Sage if what some points with her and for the HOT girls. Derek if u dont want any of that
 
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ename144

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I'm going to go against the prevailing sentiment here and say that flashback use should be kept to only useful information. Keep in mind that the content per episode and the amount of episodes are finite. When it's a choice between 2.5K renders of game vs 2K game + 0.5K flashbacks per episode, I choose the former.

The DIK founding flashback had a lot of useful tidbits such as the Tommy/Rusty dynamic and also set up a lot of things - the hell week task board result, Vinny for a possible re-entry into the game, the conversation between MC and Jill re Rusty, the later demolition of what Mr.Burgmiester paid for etc.

The M&J flashback OTOH didn't really do much at all, it didn't influence MC storming out (which already happened) nor have info vital to MC's decision at the end of that chapter. All it set up was essentially the diarrhea joke. That's a lot of render resources that could have been spent elsewhere.

Anything that can be explained in one paragraph (such as a DIK telling us why Vinny dropped out) should be IMO. ATM, I see two useful flashbacks. Jill being bullied/Sister death/first meeting with Bella (assuming they are connected) and a flashback hitting the moment we open the locked room and then fading to the present time to reveal what's inside.
I agree with your general argument: flashbacks should be reserved to show scenes that either convey too much information to be easily summarized, or need to communicate action/emotions/imagery that would be lost in a narration.

I will, however, disagree that the Maya/Josy flashback was a waste. Since their relationship had nearly reached the breaking point, the only way to see the two of them as happy lovers was a flashback. Selling that relationship was a vital part of making the drama of the reveal (and subsequent resolution) work. I think the flashback did its part, so I won't blame it when the rest of Episode 4 failed to stick the landing.

To me, the flashback that felt like a waste was Bella's OMG story. Hopefully that will be relevant again in the future to justify the time spent on it.
 
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