VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

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mindern said:
My only beef with Chad being gay and "misunderstood" is it will lead to some level of a cop out for him and Sage.

DPC has written relatively nuanced characters but he keeps giving them the easy way out. He's building up drama, fanning the flames but can't end the story now so they go nowhere. Complicated, arguably realistic, characters getting deus ex machina'd up the arse so they see no consequences for their actions so the plot can move along without being burdened by realistic reactions. Sitcoms do this all the time. The Josy/Maya love triangle was solved with 30 seconds of "I cheated... but it's all gravy... wanna start a threesome/be friends?". No cheating is ever addressed. Nobody ever calls anyone on the MC fucking every girl he's ever been in extended contact with.

Sage is cheating on a guy she's been with for years and apparently has deep enough feelings for to not just end it despite his infidelity. Chad has been distant and cold with her for a while... if not their entire relationship, based on the flashback... he's also violent and confrontational with not just Sage but anyone he ever meets. Him being gay will inevitably lead to the story just blowing past all their existing character flaws. Sage wont be called out on cheating for so long since the relationship was a sham (unbeknownst to her so it was still cheating). Chad wont be called out on being distant and a shitty boyfriend since he was gay so... nah it's fine he treated her like shit and drove an intelligent and empathetic girl to stalk him with binoculars.

Him being gay makes for easy writing, DPC wont have to justify dick all he's written so far and basically can clean slate Sage, Chad and the MC's relationships via the whole "but I'm gay" angle... But that's a cop out, Sage should be called out for the cheating. Chad should be called out for the being a douche. Chad being gay will follow the well established trope
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countless TV shows of the "sympathetic adulterer". It's a cop out and they need to be called on it.
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All the things you said are true, but I'm not talking about chad being a saint, just a deeper character that the one we saw. I hope we see a real person with his good and shitty sides. And it's still early on, so these characters might have to face their choices (look at me, expecting so much from an adult game :sneaky:).
As for josy/maya, I was angry for the same reason, because I thought their story ended, but apparently not. I predict a shitstorm, and noone is save.
 
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mindern said:
My only beef with Chad being gay and "misunderstood" is it will lead to some level of a cop out for him and Sage.

DPC has written relatively nuanced characters but he keeps giving them the easy way out. He's building up drama, fanning the flames but can't end the story now so they go nowhere. Complicated, arguably realistic, characters getting deus ex machina'd up the arse so they see no consequences for their actions so the plot can move along without being burdened by realistic reactions. Sitcoms do this all the time. The Josy/Maya love triangle was solved with 30 seconds of "I cheated... but it's all gravy... wanna start a threesome/be friends?". No cheating is ever addressed. Nobody ever calls anyone on the MC fucking every girl he's ever been in extended contact with.

Sage is cheating on a guy she's been with for years and apparently has deep enough feelings for to not just end it despite his infidelity. Chad has been distant and cold with her for a while... if not their entire relationship, based on the flashback... he's also violent and confrontational with not just Sage but anyone he ever meets. Him being gay will inevitably lead to the story just blowing past all their existing character flaws. Sage wont be called out on cheating for so long since the relationship was a sham (unbeknownst to her so it was still cheating). Chad wont be called out on being distant and a shitty boyfriend since he was gay so... nah it's fine he treated her like shit and drove an intelligent and empathetic girl to stalk him with binoculars.

Him being gay makes for easy writing, DPC wont have to justify dick all he's written so far and basically can clean slate Sage, Chad and the MC's relationships via the whole "but I'm gay" angle... But that's a cop out, Sage should be called out for the cheating. Chad should be called out for the being a douche. Chad being gay will follow the well established trope
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countless TV shows of the "sympathetic adulterer". It's a cop out and they need to be called on it.
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Then how about if he's either impotent or asexual and is faking cheating on Sage because, in his mind, he'd rather be thought of as a cheating scumbag than someone who couldn't perform even before the steroid use or who doesn't want sex at all. It gives him an out on his inability to perform sexually.

I can't remember how the conversation in the locker room went, is it consistent with this hypothesis?
 
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Jill Royce said:
nahh it rains and it snows in the winter. so I think its Oregon or Washington State
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AvatarStormBringer said:
Is that your hope that Zoey will make an appearance or is that a fact? All we know is Zoey moved away to somewhere with beaches.
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At least it seems more West Coast based than East Coast. They also mentioned Spring Break. By the way, didn't Josy want to go somewhere similar before she knew she was a reject?
 
ename144

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pyrophite said:
I'm on my 4th playthrough today and I was trying to pay extra attention to the Bella components, and this is my current suspicion as to what's kinda going on.

I'm guessing Bella and her Husband James were living together and about 3+ years ago James was either watching their child at home and the kid fell in the pool and drowned, or James was driving and got in some sort of car accident that killed their child. I think Bella initially blamed James for the death and shut him out. This is supported at least potentially by the fact that on Bella's book shelves she has a small assortment of children's books like the three little pigs, and a goofy book (there's a few others too). The locked door I believe is her son/daughter's room.

Bella in the pool told MC that she forgave James and wonders if he'll come home, or if what she's doing with MC is adultery and if she should just move on. Jill I'm guessing may have gotten pregnant as a teen and either had it terminated, or lost it. The pamphlet on Jill's dresser is about some sort of support group (or something similar), and i'm guessing that's where Jill and Bella met and are so close. I'm less sure about my conjecture about Jill, but her questions on the date about which date for sex and such might have been because she might have either had sex too young, or been raped potentially? This would make sense why she leans on the fact that her money doesn't bring happiness. I worry a bit about Rusty being a bit rolled up into this, since she questions MC about his thoughts on him.

Again this is all just speculation, but I think there might be some decent clues around this.

(Edit) Upon watching the rest of the date scene with Jill, perhaps instead of her losing a baby or something like that, she was in a support group because she lost her older sister, and Bella now is kind of filling that void.
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I think the support campaign is about standing up to bullying. It's clearly a subject dear to Jill's heart and would be an easy sell as a college campaign.

As for Bella losing a child, it's possible, but I don't see much to support it. I'd be wary reading to much into the books on Bella's shelves (pun not intended), because a lot o those art assets are probably not developed specifically for this game. (For example, take a close look at the bulletin board in Maya's room and see if you think she actually wrote all of it.) Also, I'd expect they would have wanted the baby's room upstairs near their own bedroom, rather than all the way downstairs.

Finally, the death of a child seems like the sort of thing everyone around B&R would know about. If Bella and her husband broke up for private reasons, I would expect most people wouldn't inquire too closely for details unless they were very close friends. But the death of a child is extremely noteworthy and hard to keep private. Even if people didn't know the details, the mere fact Bella broke up after the death would be hard to miss.
 
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Wizard_Shiryuu said:
She replaces that 10$ every day and never complains. She pretty much financed my "restaurant" bills :ROFLMAO:
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That's why I stopped taking the money in my later playthroughs. It just feels wrong given how much her need for money drives the story. And frankly I don't need it.

AvatarStormBringer said:
Since he started with Riona he should continue with it. And it's high time we get Quinn, and maybe Heather's past with Tommy, and Nicole, and Ashley, and Mona, AND KRJ!!! More Swyper and Rooster please! Out of all of them, I am currently the least interested in knowing about Elena.
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I'm actually a bit curious about Elena. We know she's part of the drug clique, but she seems fairly level headed otherwise. Be nice to know more about her.

The HOT I'm least interested in is Heather, by a wide margin. I don't find her attractive, her personality is ugly, and the MC certainly doesn't owe her any favors. She and Tommy can go screw off on their own as far as I'm concerned.
 
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ename144 said:
The HOT I'm least interested in is Heather, by a wide margin. I don't find her attractive, her personality is ugly, and the MC certainly doesn't owe her any favors. She and Tommy can go screw off on their own as far as I'm concerned.
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Aw see and as sad as it is to say the only interest I have in Heather is simply to get at Tommy. What can I say. I can be a vindictive little shit sometimes.
 
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