VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Malicre]

The problem with Jill, and indeed Sage, is that you are entering 3/4 years of college life and they are in the final moments before they move into the real world.

I'm not sure how you would be able to lockdown a longterm relationship with either at this point in time.

Lol you aint locking down a relationship with any of the girls for a long time.

 

[Phynix]

I find it odd that whenever someone complains about a character, their defendants bring up (mostly) MC and how he does similar things. Their issue wasn't about any shared flaws, it was about a specific character. They didn't involve others in this so why should you.

In my opinion Maya (or anyone) being young, inexperienced, having troubled past, behaving like real person would or whatever, doesn't make them good/likable. If you dislike any of their traits in real life, you are most likely going to dislike (insert character). So any "counter-arguments" of that kind are pointless.

 

[Dashxp4k]

If you paid attention on all your previous interactions with Josy you might of got the sense that her family affairs are messed in general and you form a very, very minor part in them.

Regardless of that you had 2 (forced) dates with her, you kissed her on the first, you are texting each other and she offers you the chance to spend the night with her.

You might think at this stage that if you are uninterested in her then it's probably not wise to encourage her in any way shape or form. Instead you ditch a party/mission to offer her support and when given the choice to go back to the party/mission you instead decide to go back to her dorm, alone.

That you're making your choices because you have nothing but friendly intentions towards her is all fine and good BUT you aren't considering the impact it's having on her feelings or point of view especially as you are trying to descalate from 'more then friends' to 'buddies'.






She told us she had a boyfriend

You can understand why she might say this when you look back in hindsight BUT it does compare poorly to the other side of the coin (Josy) being less misleading by using the term "in a relationship"

She then does actually tell us that "she doesn't have a boyfriend" at which point she has the chance to bail out of her initial mistruth but she instead changes her lie to "So guys don't bother me"

Maya's happy to interogate you on masturbation, ask for your complete honesty but never reciproactes at anywhere the same level that you display to her. It's all one-sided.

As for "humping across campus" - Depends on the choices you are making. I got one walkthrough where I've never got past a kiss and even then I'm not normally the one initiating it.

As for being a 'Maya-Hater' - If you like submissive and easily manipulated girls then that's cool but other LI's are stronger and more sure of themselves and personal preference just ranks them higher for me.




The problem with Jill, and indeed Sage, is that you are entering 3/4 years of college life and they are in the final moments before they move into the real world.

I'm not sure how you would be able to lockdown a longterm relationship with either at this point in time.

MC will dropout college to be with Jill.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

MC will dropout college to be with Jill.

I doubt the MC would want to live off Jill's money, that doesn't sound like him at all.

 

[Malicre]

Right now Josey and Maya are getting a lot of hate but i believe that's just because those are the only 2 main girls that have had their "drama" arcs and once we get to the Bella/Sage/Jill drama your going to see people change their opinions. You're going to see pages upon pages of hate messages on these forums once the Bella drama starts.

 

[felicemastronzo]

The problem with Jill, and indeed Sage, is that you are entering 3/4 years of college life and they are in the final moments before they move into the real world.

I'm not sure how you would be able to lockdown a longterm relationship with either at this point in time.

I don't think Being a DIK will cover more than a year in college.

so this problem should only touch Sage.

in the end Jill is only in her second year, so she still has time to spend with MC

 

[felicemastronzo]

Right now Josey and Maya are getting a lot of hate but i believe that's just because those are the only 2 main girls that have had their "drama" arcs and once we get to the Bella/Sage/Jill drama your going to see people change their opinions. You're going to see pages upon pages of hate messages on these forums once the Bella drama starts.

I don't think I've ever read any particular criticisms of Josy.

each of the LI's will have its part of drama, in general it is easier to have it with DPC than with an invented character (I blame DPC for how Maya is described ..)

I'm afraid Bella's secret will not be very credible, but for now, even more directly than Josy, she is not encouraging MC. we have to wait

 

[Malicre]

I don't think I've ever read any particular criticisms of Josy.

each of the LI's will have its part of drama, in general it is easier to have it with DPC than with an invented character (I blame DPC for how Maya is described ..)

I'm afraid Bella's secret will not be very credible, but for now, even more directly than Josy, she is not encouraging MC. we have to wait

It's not just Bella's secret.

Let me ask you something. How do you think people on these forums would react if Bella's got really really close to our MC, maybe they plan on going on a date and then the day of said date her husband comes back and then to top it off she chooses to forgo what she had with the MC to rekindle her relationship with the husband.

That would go down super well with her fanbase wouldn't it? that's just one of the MANY scenarios that could happen.

 

[felicemastronzo]

It's not just Bella's secret.

Let me ask you something. How do you think people on these forums would react if Bella's got really really close to our MC, maybe they plan on going on a date and then the day of said date her husband comes back and then to top it off she chooses to forgo what she had with the MC to rekindle her relationship with the husband.

That would go down super well with her fanbase wouldn't it? that's just one of the MANY scenarios that could happen.

I struggle to speak for myself and to explain myself, imagine if I want to speak for the whole fan base..

if something happened that prevented Bella from attending MC, certainly no one would like it, but in the example that you did, you cannot blame Bella for being married, we already know, MC's position with her is precarious .

if Jill suddenly avoided MC for an incomprehensible or not serious reason (like the slap to Tybalt) in that case someone could begin to criticize her

 

[Holy Bacchus]

This is how the real world works tho. It's called playing the field and literally everyone who dates is doing it. He's interested in a lot of different girls but hes not "exclusive" with anyone, he doesn't have a girlfriend and hell half of these girls don't even want to be his girlfriend so don't come in here with that shit saying hes a serial cheater because anyone who has ever been in the dating scene just knows that's how dating is in this day and age.

TLDR: we aren't living in the 80s anymore, no ones exclusively dating anyone unless you specifically define those rules/boundries when you start having a real relationship.

Name me 1 girl that has actually asked the mc to be her boyfriend and then you would have made your point.

Well the way some people react to this whole M&J situation you'd think they were in an exclusive relationship because folks seem very deeply hurt by their apparent "betrayal" and lack of honesty even though it was, as you might say, just dating.

The problem here is the way the characters and events are written and how it relates to the choices of the MC. As it is written when playing the M&J route, none of these characters (MC, Maya, Josy) seem to be treating their respective relationships (MC/Maya, MC/Josy) as a casual fling given the way they talk about it and the way they interact with each other. All of them seem to be developing sincere feelings for each other and the MC even agonises over having to choose one over the other, which shows, at least the way it's written, that he sees a relationship with either one as something that he'd like to be exclusive.

However, where this becomes contradictory is in the MC's behaviour. For someone who seems to be very focused on M&J and a potential relationship with one of them, his "playing the field" makes his outburst over finding out about their relationship seem very hypocritical. He laments the potential loss of a relationship with one of them and feels "betrayed", yet he was going around fucking Sage, arranging a date with Jill, kissing Bella, letting Jade give him a handjob, and possibly even fucking Sarah, fucking Mona and Camila, fucking Envy, and fucking Quinn and Riona.

He may not have been in an exclusive relationship with Maya or Josy, but sleeping around with others while you're trying to start a potentially exclusive relationship with someone isn't something that "literally everyone who dates" does. Yes, he may be a young guy of 18 and this might be considered by some to be a normal thing at that age to sleep around, but I don't personally think it puts the MC in a good light to feel so aggrieved and hurt by Maya and Josy when he's been going after every pussy that comes his way.

 

[Skode]

I'd argue biggest offense to fans was the MC random tantrum reaction to finding out about Maya and Josey before him ignoring them for ages whether players liked it or not.

 

[Darkdevil66]

It would be great if the teachers get their own ending. Jade has more character development than Jill so far in my opinion. Same for Quinn.
It would be a shame if not possible. Maybe since drpinkcake intends to do a lot of episodes they can be turned into possible romance options.

Teachers getting their own ending seems unlikely. Jade's priorities are her career and her kids. A scandalous relationship with one of her students would ruin everything, not to mention Tybalt would probably go crazy and burn the whole campus including himself and his precious watermelons.

Furthermore Jade and Cathy's interest for the MC isn't really based on feelings. At this point, he's just a way to release their sexual frustration and fulfill their fantasies with a younger man. The MC seems to be on the same page, unless the lack of mother figure gives him some kind of Oedipus complex with older women

Quinn fits the "Dating Catwoman" trope. She's already a major character and her conflicting feelings for the MC is a big part of her personal development. But once again, DrPKC could planed a tragic end or turn her into a total antagonist.

Camila and Riona could be future paths due their warm and friendly attitude. But for now they aren't relevant enough.

But let's dream. I like them more than Maya and Josy at this point.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I find it odd that whenever someone complains about a character, their defendants bring up (mostly) MC and how he does similar things. Their issue wasn't about any shared flaws, it was about a specific character. They didn't involve others in this so why should you.

In my opinion Maya (or anyone) being young, inexperienced, having troubled past, behaving like real person would or whatever, doesn't make them good/likable. If you dislike any of their traits in real life, you are most likely going to dislike (insert character). So any "counter-arguments" of that kind are pointless.

The problem I find is that most people seem to dislike certain characters for such small, petty reasons that they then blow out of all proportions.

Did Maya withhold the truth about herself? Yes, but she wasn't unjustified in doing so and her reasoning is perfectly understandable and even forgivable. People might be hesitant to trust her again which is fair, but she certainly doesn't deserve the level of animosity and disgust that I've seen from some people because it didn't come from a place of deliberate malicious deceitfulness and does not represent her whole character.

I think it also speaks rather poorly of where we are as a society that some people just don't seem to have much compassion in their hearts and are willing to dismiss anyone on the basis of such minor slights that can be easily resolved and you can move past if you just take the time to be understanding rather than shut them out completely.

 

[Malicre]

Teachers getting their own ending seems unlikely. Jade's priorities are her career and her kids. A scandalous relationship with one of her students would ruin everything, not to mention Tybalt would probably go crazy and burn the whole campus including himself and his precious watermelons.

Furthermore Jade and Cathy's interest for the MC isn't really based on feelings. At this point, he's just a way to release their sexual frustration and fulfill their fantasies with a younger man. The MC seems to be on the same page, unless the lack of mother figure gives him some kind of Oedipus complex with older women

Jade's priorities were her career and kids but she has both those things now and theres nothing stopping her from continuing on with the relationship now tybalt is grown and her husband is more interested in other women if that's what she wanted. I like the MCxJade relationship because we get to see glimpses of what their life would be like if they were together. To me it feels like jade has been his most "romantic" partner so far and i really do enjoy every single scene of them together.

 

[desmosome]

Well the way some people react to this whole M&J situation you'd think they were in an exclusive relationship because folks seem very deeply hurt by their apparent "betrayal" and lack of honesty even though it was, as you might say, just dating.

The problem here is the way the characters and events are written and how it relates to the choices of the MC. As it is written when playing the M&J route, none of these characters (MC, Maya, Josy) seem to be treating their respective relationships (MC/Maya, MC/Josy) as a casual fling given the way they talk about it and the way they interact with each other. All of them seem to be developing sincere feelings for each other and the MC even agonises over having to choose one over the other, which shows, at least the way it's written, that he sees a relationship with either one as something that he'd like to be exclusive.

However, where this becomes contradictory is in the MC's behaviour. For someone who seems to be very focused on M&J and a potential relationship with one of them, his "playing the field" makes his outburst over finding out about their relationship seem very hypocritical. He laments the potential loss of a relationship with one of them and feels "betrayed", yet he was going around fucking Sage, arranging a date with Jill, kissing Bella, letting Jade give him a handjob, and possibly even fucking Sarah, fucking Mona and Camila, fucking Envy, and fucking Quinn and Riona.

He may not have been in an exclusive relationship with Maya or Josy, but sleeping around with others while you're trying to start a potentially exclusive relationship with someone isn't something that "literally everyone who dates" does. Yes, he may be a young guy of 18 and this might be considered by some to be a normal thing at that age to sleep around, but I don't personally think it puts the MC in a good light to feel so aggrieved and hurt by Maya and Josy when he's been going after every pussy that comes his way.

bravo my friend. Pretty much spot on. I would give you 2 likes if I was Dawe.

I rate DPC quite highly as a writer, but he really dropped the ball on this one. It just isn't an organic reaction for the MC in that situation.

And there is definitely a greater issue of the MC's perona and his actions not matching up. This MC is your generic self insertable "good guy MC." A fairly normal dude that's just going about his business. But he is banging chicks left and right while leading them on. This is not a behavior of just a normal country bumpkin. His actions lead us to believe he is just "playing the field" or fuckin around, but his personality and inner monologues show us that he is developing real fealings for pretty much all of them. It becomes this weird mesh of playboy and nice guy(tm) that leads to the weird outburst during the Maya and Josey reveal.

 

[Dashxp4k]

I doubt the MC would want to live off Jill's money, that doesn't sound like him at all.

true maybe after Jill gradate. If her job local Jill and MC will live together. If its not long distant relationship and yall know how that work. for now we don't know. only DPC knows.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

Yeah I'm sure DPC thought we would all love her however that isn't the way it went. Maya is so passive, so reserved that I couldn't see myself dating her. Who wants to go through a relationship with someone who is always "whatever you want to do"? I like personality and Maya has the personality of a wet mop.

For a moment I thought you were talking about her hair.

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If I'm good with photoshop I would have put her face there.

Undoing that lie made things worse because then the MC started hitting on her, as she must have known he would do. I still don't understand why she did that if she wasn't ready to tell the truth (except for the sake of more drama, of course).

It's unwise to cover a lie with another lie. Trust is a fragile thing, once crumbled, it's very hard to rebuild it. I did mentioned before though that omission and lie are two different things. Maya didn't really lie, she just haven't told MC about being a lesbian and she didn't know that MC's crush is her girlfriend. Most likely she's slowly opening up to MC but Lady luck, time and fate is not on her side. Maya's bet backfired on her in a very very bad way.

Also regarding Josy, we must not forget that Josy is MC's crush for the entire summer, while you the players only get to know Josy at the end of his summer job. Whether you like it or not, he will think about her, lust for her, and go to her when she beckons, especially when his time with her ended abruptly just when it's starting to flourish.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

bravo my friend. Pretty much spot on. I would give you 2 likes if I was Dawe.

I rate DPC quite highly as a writer, but he really dropped the ball on this one. It just isn't an organic reaction for the MC in that situation.

And there is definitely a greater issue of the MC's perona and his actions not matching up. This MC is your generic self insertable "good guy MC." A fairly normal dude that's just going about his business. But he is banging chicks left and right while leading them on. This is not a behavior of just a normal country bumpkin. His actions lead us to believe he is just "playing the field" or fuckin around, but his personality and inner monologues show us that he is developing real fealings for pretty much all of them. It becomes this weird mesh of playboy and nice guy(tm) that leads to the weird outburst during the Maya and Josey reveal.

Exactly. The actions don't match the words and feelings being expressed which makes for a very contradictory MC.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

bravo my friend. Pretty much spot on. I would give you 2 likes if I was Dawe.

I rate DPC quite highly as a writer, but he really dropped the ball on this one. It just isn't an organic reaction for the MC in that situation.

And there is definitely a greater issue of the MC's perona and his actions not matching up. This MC is your generic self insertable "good guy MC." A fairly normal dude that's just going about his business. But he is banging chicks left and right while leading them on. This is not a behavior of just a normal country bumpkin. His actions lead us to believe he is just "playing the field" or fuckin around, but his personality and inner monologues show us that he is developing real fealings for pretty much all of them. It becomes this weird mesh of playboy and nice guy(tm) that leads to the weird outburst during the Maya and Josey reveal.

I want him to be the good guy! But sadly when it's booty time the dick takes over the brain. With a dick his size, there's no blood supply at all for the brain to function.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I want him to be the good guy! But sadly when it's booty time the dick takes over the brain. With a dick his size, there's no blood supply at all for the brain to function.

it is complicated to play a porn game as if we were Romeo and we had met our Juliet

especially when even doing it you don't take any step forward with your Giulietta...