VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[moskyx]

Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't her "menu" optional? So for those who ignored it, it wouldn't make sense to make a big deal of this because they don't know enough.

But when we know about it, we can warn Maya. Why we can't warn another LI who's obviously going to be directly affected if things go south? I mean, it's OK if we can't do that, our MC might even assume she already knows it and doesn't need to be told. Either way I understand that's part of the plot, but if DPC gives me the option to warn Maya, I would like to actually have the option to speak loud and clear because I feel it would be the right thing to do for the character I'm playing. That's just an example of 'false choices' that detracts from immersion

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

That you can see those consequences and the easy way to stop it does not necessarily mean that an 18 year old kid in their first week of college can either see the consequences or see the solution that's evident to someone with more life experience.

However I find it hard to believe that the same 18 year old kid would let his potential LI (Maya) join a sorority that only offers free tuition to sisters who whore themselves out? Or warn another LI (Sage) that Quinn is screwing her over? You don't need life experience to know that is not ok. However we are not allowed to do any of that due to the plot. You don't hang your friends out to dry if you can save them, at least I don't.

 

[zoyle]

It's a porn game with a chick's magnet, nothing was believable since the start. You're just taking things too seriously and personally.



Jesus, you're so easily offended. No wonder why a character like Quinn pisses you off.



And yet, you're the one complaining again and again.

The thing that, imo, makes this game one of the best VN type games you can find is that while the overall storyline is obviously unrealistic, the individual characters and scenarios are all reasonably realistic and quite well done - even the things that you'd normally describe as 'unrealistic' like the poly relationship. Suspension of disbelief is important, and this game manages to give you scenarios that are mostly realistic enough that you can achieve it in ways that a lot of adult games simply do not.

 

[Cokebaths]

If DPC isn't going with the "Chad is gay" route then I can see something like Melanie or Sarah are secretly related to Chad and that's why they're keeping the secret from Sage. I don't think they're keeping it from her because they have something against her. Or they're the ones blackmailing him. Either way, I don't think the person he's cheating with is someone we've met yet

 

[zoyle]

However I find it hard to believe that the same 18 year old kid would let his potential LI (Maya) join a sorority that only offers free tuition to sisters who whore themselves out? Or warn another LI (Sage) that Quinn is screwing her over? You don't need life experience to know that is not ok. However we are not allowed to do any of that due to the plot. You don't hang your friends out to dry if you can save them, at least I don't.

The MC doesn't know that the free tuition = quinn's restaurant. WE do, because we see scenes that the MC doesn't see, and because we have better deductive and reasoning skills than he does. All he knows is that Quinn whores out some of the girls in the HOTs, and he tries to warn Maya about it in a way that isn't very effective, right before she more or less suggests she's considering fucking his brains out in order to get into the sorority, which uh, is likely to affect your judgment and the things you're thinking about at the time.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

It's a porn game with a chick's magnet, nothing was believable since the start. You're just taking things too seriously and personally.

Jesus, you're so easily offended. No wonder why a character like Quinn pisses you off.

And yet, you're the one complaining again and again.

Not really I just don't like "Users/Abusers"

You're right I'm the only one

 

[Phynix]

But when we know about it, we can warn Maya. Why we can't warn another LI who's obviously going to be directly affected if things go south? I mean, it's OK if we can't do that, our MC might even assume she already knows it and doesn't need to be told. Either way I understand that's part of the plot, but if DPC gives me the option to warn Maya, I would like to actually have the option to speak loud and clear because I feel it would be the right thing to do for the character I'm playing. That's just an example of 'false choices' that detracts from immersion

If we could tell Maya all of it then the story would turn out to be something different entirely. I wouldn't necessarily call it a false choice, it's either that or we ignore it completely which would be even worse in my opinion. Right now Maya can't know what her "free" tuition entails. I expect it to change once they are HOTs.

 

[Cokebaths]

However I find it hard to believe that the same 18 year old kid would let his potential LI (Maya) join a sorority that only offers free tuition to sisters who whore themselves out? Or warn another LI (Sage) that Quinn is screwing her over? You don't need life experience to know that is not ok. However we are not allowed to do any of that due to the plot. You don't hang your friends out to dry if you can save them, at least I don't.

Not sure why people use MCs young age to excuse his actions. I can see dumb decisions like getting drunk or wanting to screw anything with a skirt, but letting someone you seem to have a connection with get into a potentially dangerous situation? Most people are little shits at 18 but I'd like to think human decency kicks in every once in a while

 

[zoyle]

If we could tell Maya all of it then the story would turn out to be something different entirely. I wouldn't necessarily call it a false choice, it's either that or we ignore it completely which would be even worse in my opinion. Right now Maya can't know what her "free" tuition entails. I expect it to change once they are HOTs.

Since Quinn is getting desperate and Camila is already part of the scheme even though she's not in the sorority yet, I suspect we'll first see it start to come to a head during the next in-game week when Maya and Josy are trying to join the HOTs, and Quinn, as Maya's 'mother', starts to pressure her to do stuff she doesn't want to do. If I had to guess, that will get foiled initially by Maya and MC doing a lot of the stuff on Maya and Josy's lists (whether directly bc they're in relationship, or staged, etc if they're friends), forcing Quinn to push for more extreme behaviors or more unreasonable requests.

Not sure why people use MCs young age to excuse his actions. I can see dumb decisions like getting drunk or wanting to screw anything with a skirt, but letting someone you seem to have a connection with get into a potentially dangerous situation? Most people are little shits at 18 but I'd like to think human decency kicks in every once in a while

I mean, MC tries - he just doesn't do it well enough and it doesn't work because she kind of brushes it off. Presumably, he'll get more opportunities in the future. The game has a pretty unrealistic timeline - all of this shit has happened in a single week - so there hasn't really been much time for anyone (MC or otherwise) to think to through consequences, and MC has been more or less constantly drunk for the last 3 or so episodes due to all the DIK initiation beer drinking. There's a difference between understanding bad decisionmaking and excusing it. MC's bad decisionmaking is understandable.

 

[Zirael Q]

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[xsssssssss]

If Quinn did not confess that she was the sole trafficker, Sage would certainly be involved in the circle of suspects.
the drug is probably in the HOTs dorm, not necessarily in Quinn's room, and was peddled at events where the HOTs were present
It is not clear where the money from the sale goes, but it would also seem in the free tuition
it would be up to Sage to prove that she was a stranger to the matter

I think the sorority would be shut down and the president likely punished for failing in their role so epically, if it all comes out regardless of whether Quinn tried to shift blame or tries to take all blame herself.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Since Quinn is getting desperate and Camila is already part of the scheme even though she's not in the sorority yet, I suspect we'll first see it start to come to a head during the next in-game week when Maya and Josy are trying to join the HOTs, and Quinn, as Maya's 'mother', starts to pressure her to do stuff she doesn't want to do. If I had to guess, that will get foiled initially by Maya and MC doing a lot of the stuff on Maya and Josy's lists (whether directly bc they're in relationship, or staged, etc if they're friends), forcing Quinn to push for more extreme behaviors or more unreasonable requests.

I mean, MC tries - he just doesn't do it well enough and it doesn't work because she kind of brushes it off. Presumably, he'll get more opportunities in the future. The game has a pretty unrealistic timeline - all of this shit has happened in a single week - so there hasn't really been much time for anyone (MC or otherwise) to think to through consequences, and MC has been more or less constantly drunk for the last 3 or so episodes due to all the DIK initiation beer drinking. There's a difference between understanding bad decisionmaking and excusing it. MC's bad decisionmaking is understandable.

One of the problems I have is the storyline is self defeating. Maya's personality isn't going to let her whore herself out for tuition. Granted she may be semi doing it now to get in but she also likes the MC so its kind of the same thing but also not at the same time. Its a iffy grey area.

Even drunk, messed up on drugs I still know what is right or wrong. Don't drink and drive because I might kill someone is a good example. Don't rape people... self explanatory even messed up. I don't think being drunk or high is a good excuse to let people the MC cares about to potentially hurt/endanger themselves.

 

[moskyx]

Not sure why people use MCs young age to excuse his actions. I can see dumb decisions like getting drunk or wanting to screw anything with a skirt, but letting someone you seem to have a connection with get into a potentially dangerous situation? Most people are little shits at 18 but I'd like to think human decency kicks in every once in a while

And this specific guy who was bullyied at High school and has been raised up by a nice man who taught him the values of respect, hard work and all, a 18yo guy who even when acting as a massive DIK has shown a moral compass with some girls, should have done something more. But hey, plot reasons and suspension of disbelief for all.

Again, it's really frustrating when you're facing some unavoidable drama even after taking choices that, in a simple and logical development, should have let you avoid it. If it's unavoidable, it's unavoidable, don't give me that option. But if you do and the drama is still unavoidable, let the other characters be the ones who dismiss my warnings, I don't like bad things happenning due to a lack of basic communicational skills from my MC after making a decission

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I think we're all overestimating just how much the MC really knows about what Quinn is up to at the point when he can warn Maya.

If you accept her number for the menu and specifically if you order Camila, he finds out in ep 2 that this seemingly random person on the other side of a glory hole was a HOT, but how would he know or even suspect that this has anything to do with tuition? Better yet, how would he know or even suspect that what Camila was doing was somewhat forced upon her by Quinn? For all he knows, it could be some form of freshman ritual/hazing, or just something that the girls like to do, and not anything to do with Quinn being a pimp.

So if he chooses to tell Maya to be careful of Quinn, it's not because he knows exactly what she's doing, especially since he also has no clue about the drugs either, but it's simply because he gets a bad vibe from her.

 

[zoyle]

I think the sorority would be shut down and the president likely punished for failing in their role so epically, if it all comes out regardless of whether Quinn tried to shift blame or tries to take all blame herself.

It's likely the only thing that could 'save' Sage as leader of the sorority and possibly the sorority itself is if she initiated discovery of what was going on and brought it to the authorities in the first place. That changes the entire axis of the interaction.

I wouldn't be super surprised to see the plotline go something like Quinn pressures Maya > MC learns from Maya > MC takes wildly inappropriate thing (probably thing that isn't on Josy's list at all) to Sage > Sage is tipped off and starts to learn what's going on. Whether the various people along the way confide in or believe the MC is, of course, not necessarily guaranteed, but given that Maya's lesbian with no experience outside the MC, I would bet that causes some resistance that Quinn wouldn't expect and would cause even a Friends-only MC to learn about it.

I think we're all overestimating just how much the MC really knows about what Quinn is up to at the point when he can warn Maya.

If you accept her number for the menu and specifically if you order Camila, he finds out in ep 2 that this seemingly random person on the other side of a glory hole was a HOT, but how would he know or even suspect that this has anything to do with tuition? Better yet, how would he know or even suspect that what Camila was doing was somewhat forced upon her by Quinn? For all he knows, it could be some form of freshman ritual/hazing, or just something that the girls like to do, and not anything to do with Quinn being a pimp.

So if he chooses to tell Maya to be careful of Quinn, it's not because he knows exactly what she's doing, especially since he also has no clue about the drugs either, but it's simply because he gets a bad vibe from her.

MC knows he ordered Camila and can taunt Quinn with that fact during the CUMpetition; it also comes up if MC is a Huge DIK and can initiate the bathroom 3some with Mona and Camila.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I think the sorority would be shut down and the president likely punished for failing in their role so epically, if it all comes out regardless of whether Quinn tried to shift blame or tries to take all blame herself.

maybe

but it's theoretical, why would Quinn take all the blame?

 

[zoyle]

And this specific guy who was bullyied at High school and has been raised up by a nice man who taught him the values of respect, hard work and all, a 18yo guy who even when acting as a massive DIK has shown a moral compass with some girls, should have done something more. But hey, plot reasons and suspension of disbelief for all.

Again, it's really frustrating when you're facing some unavoidable drama even after taking choices that, in a simple and logical development, should have let you avoid it. If it's unavoidable, it's unavoidable, don't give me that option. But if you do and the drama is still unavoidable, let the other characters be the ones who dismiss my warnings, I don't like bad things happenning due to a lack of basic communicational skills from my MC after making a decission

People frequently don't heed other people's advice and warnings. I don't think that MC getting to warn Maya and not, at least thusfar, having it appear to work is a problem. It may still have an impact (it could, for example, make Maya hesitate later if Quinn wants her to do something and prevent her from making a mistake), and MC simply lacks all of the knowledge players do about what Quinn's really up to or the extent of the problems. I mean, for that matter, MC doesn't necessarily know that the girls he orders aren't getting the money themselves, presuming he does so, and if he declined Quinn's number or didn't use it, he only knows what he tells Maya (that Quinn is up to something nasty she should stay away from). There's a huge gulf in information between players and MC as to what's going on with Quinn.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

It's likely the only thing that could 'save' Sage as leader of the sorority and possibly the sorority itself is if she initiated discovery of what was going on and brought it to the authorities in the first place. That changes the entire axis of the interaction.

I wouldn't be super surprised to see the plotline go something like Quinn pressures Maya > MC learns from Maya > MC takes wildly inappropriate thing (probably thing that isn't on Josy's list at all) to Sage > Sage is tipped off and starts to learn what's going on. Whether the various people along the way confide in or believe the MC is, of course, not necessarily guaranteed, but given that Maya's lesbian with no experience outside the MC, I would bet that causes some resistance that Quinn wouldn't expect and would cause even a Friends-only MC to learn about it.

MC knows he ordered Camila and can taunt Quinn with that fact during the CUMpetition; it also comes up if MC is a Huge DIK and can initiate the bathroom 3some with Mona and Camila.

This would all be so easy to stop and save everyone without compromising/endangering anyone the MC cares about. However we are not allowed to because plot. I get frustrated like some others because I can see the solution but the MC is a idiot who doesn't seem to comprehend anything important.

 

[zoyle]

maybe

but it's theoretical, why would Quinn take all the blame?

She wouldn't. The thrust of that entire conversation was a user who did not believe that Quinn represented a real threat to Sage or Maya and they would not be caught up in or accused of participating in any crimes, so the storyline with Quinn doesn't make any sense.

 

[moskyx]

It's likely the only thing that could 'save' Sage as leader of the sorority and possibly the sorority itself is if she initiated discovery of what was going on and brought it to the authorities in the first place. That changes the entire axis of the interaction.

I wouldn't be super surprised to see the plotline go something like Quinn pressures Maya > MC learns from Maya > MC takes wildly inappropriate thing (probably thing that isn't on Josy's list at all) to Sage > Sage is tipped off and starts to learn what's going on. Whether the various people along the way confide in or believe the MC is, of course, not necessarily guaranteed, but given that Maya's lesbian with no experience outside the MC, I would bet that causes some resistance that Quinn wouldn't expect and would cause even a Friends-only MC to learn about it.

Well, I guess sometimes we tend to forget this is still a work in progress and many things can still happen in the future. I get some dramatic events need some building-up and we can't expect to dismantle them at this early stage. I bet when playing the completed game most of those things will feel more natural. But, again, we're already facing some apparently important choices that give us the illusion of being actually able to stop them now, but then not. I think I have the right to feel a bit frustrated because of them