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ename144

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But this is why it doesn't work. The MC can think and act like DIK while having CHICK affinity because it's the status choices that have more determination on this than the affinity choices. A CHICK affinity MC can do everything they can with Quinn, be friends with M&J, and have DIK status, yet because of that one affinity check, which could be based on making as little as 2 more CHICK than DIK choices, his offer to help is rejected. In this scenario, Quinn's decision still does not make sense because the status means he acts more like a DIK which is what you might say she likes, but she'll reject him because of this other system that overrides that.

Also, if there are only 3 direct actions with Quinn required for that scene on the DIK path, then you could say that she doesn't require much to gain her trust and since affinity seems like less of a determining factor of personality and behaviour than status, it again seems questionable as to why this puts her off. I honestly don't think there's any logical reason, storywise, to explain this, and it's just an arbitrary way to force content on to other paths to make the game more replayable even when this content separation so often doesn't make sense within the narrative.
But there aren't 3 direct actions to get Quinn's scene, there are 4: you need DIK affinity (however you get there). You seem to be using the fact that it requires an Affinity check as proof that the Affinity system doesn't mean anything because there are other checks too. That's circular reasoning. Each decision can have its own consequences, but the Affinity system is intended to represent to net result of all those choices on the MC. I agree it fails at that task, but I disagree that a better system wouldn't serve a useful purpose.

You say a Neutral MC can do all the things a DIK one would and so Quinn has no reason to reject him, but that just isn't true. In the Neutral case, DIK actions by the MC are a bare majority at best. In the DIK case, they are a solid majority at worst. If there was a clear logic to what constituted a DIK or CHICK decision, that distinction would matter. Sure, a Neutral MC might be willing to take advantage of Quinn, but would he really have her back when the chips are down? Based on his actions, it's reasonable for Quinn to conclude he might not (again, assuming the Affinity system made sense).

Of course this is why I think the Permanent Affinity idea is a bad one: when the system is this arbitrary, what's the difference between restricting the choice and denying it was a major choice to begin with? Yes, neutral characters can potentially combine choices in a way that Locked characters can't, but is that really any different than keying non-choices off specific actions? If the only way to make get a choice in Episode 10 is to go back in time and reverse a different choice in Episode 2, does that really make the character feel different in a coherent way, or is it just upping the opportunity cost to respec? I say the latter. DPC is letting his hatred for min-maxing blind him to the shortcomings of the system he designed.

But again, we're stuck with this version of Affinity so we might as well make peace with it and hope the rest of the game is worth it. That's a separate argument from whether it ever makes sense to have NPCs react on their own based on things the MC has done previously (rather than giving the player individual control over each outcome). IMHO denying the player direct control can help if it establishes the NPCs as independent actors with their own thoughts and feelings. Like any tool, it isn't inherently worthless just because one guy used it incorrectly, but it may only be useful on projects that just don't interest a given player.

All that said, I think the idea this is being done for play balance reasons is just plain wrong. If the goal was purely to balance content on different playthroughs, there would be no need for all these extra checks. Unless you think DPC plans to add unique content specifically for Neutral/CHICK MCs that accepted Quinn's offer, had sex with her on the roof, and rejected M&J, clearly something else is at work here.
 

IcemanVincy85

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As software developer i think the flag are managed using boolean data, so boolean are true or false. If the check, could be an if or a switch case, find that boolean data is false they skip the scene. For example if the boolean value is dik, if dik is false this event is skipped. I'm unfortunately not good enough for create videogames, i'd like that, but i can't draw and realize animations.

I was a bit disappoint that the Neutral path with Quinn was blocked, since i have a neutral "hot" path where i take the number, use her restaurant and fuck her, Sarah, Melanie in the shower, Camila and Lily....i do the DIK choices and use CHICK choice to keep the neutrality but, as i told before if the main flag is dik should be true the event is skipped.
 

Sorrow85

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so I checked DPC's Patreon he posted a development news
so has anyone shared it here?
I don't think so, but not been up that long


Today, the v0.6.1 patch was made available for the $5 tier. Please note that you need the full Patreon version (v0.5.0 up to v0.6.0) to be able to patch the game to v0.6.1.

This week I've been writing and posing animations while testing the new GPUs.

The speed is truly amazing and I've been increasing the length of the animations so far and also increased the render quality.

42 animations of varied length (1-20 seconds) are complete already.

I've estimated that the efficiency of these cards is 400 frames (or static renders), per day. 400 frames is equal to a ~13.3s animation @30fps.

Just as I thought, the bottleneck has thus shifted from animations to manual labor; including writing, coding, posing renders, post-processing art, and more.

When it comes to future updates, the goal for me isn't to stress and release them faster, but to include the content I want and increase the quality of the art.

If an update is released faster than usual, it's a happy bonus. Regardless, development has gotten a huge boost, all thanks to you.

Poll news

The winner in the poll for an extra wallpaper was Jill with the option front focus. I will order and include this 2D wallpaper in Episode 7.

In December, there will be new polls to participate in.

Walkthrough news

I will write the walkthrough soon and release it to the $15 tier. It should be ready sometime in early to mid-December.

Getting the development for episode 7 up and running smoothly takes priority at the moment.



Have a nice weekend

Dr PinkCake
 

JohnnyCrunch

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and she's supposed to be heterosexual all through college? (when she's not even sure she's bisexual ...) denying her feelings for Josy and 50% forcing MC to pretend to be her boyfriend, often after rejecting him? it would be useless and morally very negative

she would put herself at a worse risk, only she can change her father's mind and lying to him is not a good first move.
Who says Maya has to make MC pretend to be her boyfriend? All she has to do is say she's concentrating on school and not dating anybody. Her Pops did see the pink covering on the other bed in the dorm room, but Maya can just say that she was assigned a female roommate... and that she doesn't spend a whole lot of time in the room & doesn't really know much about her.

Considering her father is holding the tuition money over her head (which doesn't really make sense to begin with), now is probably not the best time to have it out with him. She could, but unless she thinks there's a good chance at her magically being able to change his mind, then it will do more damage than good. Her best bet is to say she's not in any relationship... and then finish school.

Also, depending on which route you're on... the MC may already be in a relationship with Maya (and Josy), so him saying he's her boyfriend isn't really far off from the truth.
 
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IcemanVincy85

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I hope that Maya's Dad don't ruin the experience with this game, until now we solve the problem with fist fighting as DIK Choice or use the restaurant for the HOT or smoke weed, the CHICK are help Steve (I don't think Steve will be important for the rest of game, but who knows? ) or avoid the DIK Choice. If MC still fight with everyone could end very bad for him, just Tybalt could ruin his life but I don't know how he is serious. Maybe is just a cheat way to try to gain Jill love..
 

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yo, fuck Jade's husband.
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and fuck Tybalt too.
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i feel sad for Jade. her husband and son are terrible human beings, and her best friend is resigning. also, why was Cathy apologizing to Jade? what did she do off-screen that made her feel terrible enough that she's feeling bad that she wronged Jade?

Who says Maya has to make MC pretend to be her boyfriend? All she has to do is say she's concentrating on school and not dating anybody. Her Pops did see the pink covering on the other bed in the dorm room, but Maya can just say that she was assigned a female roommate... and that she doesn't spend a whole lot of time in the room & doesn't really know much about her.

Considering her father is holding the tuition money over her head (which doesn't really make sense to begin with), now is probably not the best time to have it out with him. She could, but unless she thinks there's a good chance at her magically being able to change his mind, then it will do more damage than good. Her best bet is to say she's not in any relationship... and then finish school.

Also, depending on which route you're on... the MC may already be in a relationship with Maya (and Josy), so him saying he's her boyfriend isn't really far off from the truth.
the thing with the tuition thing, the deal was she stays away from Josy, not just relationship wise. Maya and Josy are going to the dorms together, where the father is at at the moment. even if Maya and Josy weren't in a relationship and Maya denies any relationship with Josy, that fact that they're roommates and/or hanging together could be enough for the dad to consider the deal broken on Maya's end.
 
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Kellermann

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Whoo. That Isabella scene. and that SONG! (changes pants and fans self)

Oh baby, you know I'm crazy for you.

Google doesn't even know that song.
DPC's music choices in this episode were nothing short of magnificent. The songs he selected made already excellent scenes even better. Probably the best I've heard in an AVN. Bravo!
 
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R1viel

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on the subject of the quinn scene episode 6 I'm fairly sure that the scrappy mod removed some of the requirements, based on my modded playthrough
 
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I just can't get the private dance from Envy in Episode 3.

What variables are checked for that? dik? dtype? affinity? I set them to 15, 3 and "DIK" respetively and options are still locked...
 

R1viel

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I just can't get the private dance from Envy in Episode 3.

What variables are checked for that? dik? dtype? affinity? I set them to 15, 3 and "DIK" respetively and options are still locked...
Couple of quick questions
when talking to envy where does it block the option for you?
do you have the 4 $s?
and did you laugh at dereks joke or get rid of him?
 

ename144

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on the subject of the quinn scene episode 6 I'm fairly sure that the scrappy mod removed some of the requirements, based on my modded playthrough
It sounds like the Scrappy mod removes a lot of requirements without really explaining that to the player. I don't think that's the best way to handle it, especially as the requirements become increasingly complicated, but then again I don't use the mod in the first place.
 

R1viel

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It sounds like the Scrappy mod removes a lot of requirements without really explaining that to the player. I don't think that's the best way to handle it, especially as the requirements become increasingly complicated, but then again I don't use the mod in the first place.
that's fair, I manly use it when I'm trying to find specific scenes but everytime a new update drops I do atleast one fresh full playthrough
 

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I just can't get the private dance from Envy in Episode 3.

What variables are checked for that? dik? dtype? affinity? I set them to 15, 3 and "DIK" respetively and options are still locked...
That ones real straight forward. When the mc speaks with her the first time, Derek chimes in with some joke about getting his dick signed, the mc needs to tell him to go check out another girl, then fork over $$$$ to get a dance from her. Now if the mc is going to have anal sex with her, he needs to be a DIK, otherwise he can only get a blow job. Either way she signs mc's cock.
 

shazba

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Damn, I don't think I did the restaurant thing. Thanks
I don't believe that's accurate. The restaurant deal has nothing to do with it. But you have to be playing on a PC (this scene is not available on other platforms for some reason).
 

Arigon

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That ones real straight forward. When the mc speaks with her the first time, Derek chimes in with some joke about getting his dick signed, the mc needs to tell him to go check out another girl, then fork over $$$$ to get a dance from her. Now if the mc is going to have anal sex with her, he needs to be a DIK, otherwise he can only get a blow job. Either way she signs mc's cock.
And Envy/Nicole is a champ either way......
:D
 
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