VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[DavDR]

I think that people need to understand that this vn like any other game (adult or otherwise) is trying to appeal to a broad spectrum of people with different tastes and interests. It is more focused when you deal with adult content because kinks are very strongly held when it comes to preferences. This is bound to create strong feelings.

The keys to remember are that its a novel, which means there will be far more "Fixed" decisions that are main story focal points that are unavoidable. Some are major plot points, and some are minor story points that are meant to be there for other reasons (D&G is the first thing that came to mind in the latter). Some will like it, some will not. As an old pen and paper RPGer going back decades, I could appreciate the humor and the nod to that genre. Outside of that and a chance to put in some sexy options for people, I don't see much point to them, but they are intended to take away from the drama of the overall storyline.

M&J are integral to the story line in that they bring the whole "Restaurant" thing into focus due to the tuition and introduce just how petty and vindictive Quinn is. I get there are a lot of Quinn fans out there, and hey have fun with that. But she's as likely to get the MC killed as Bella with her stupidity. For every M&J Hater out there that hates the girls being forced on them, I feel violated that I had no choice but to let that skank give me whatever Social Disease she has in the Cumpetition. I wouldn't touch her with Derek's dick personally. But it was a part of the story that was needed. So one rolls with the punches.

While I like Sage, to me she's just as psychotic as our favorite librarian. And barring a major growth moment on her part in future updates, I don't see her as somebody I personally would want to have anything to do with. This despite the fact I love how she is rendered, I love many facets of her personality that have been introduced. But there are elements of her persona that are troubling (the whole obsession with Chad, and yet cheating with the MC if you chose to go that route). Don't get me wrong, I like a cheating girl trope as much as the next guy. But if she cheats with you, she will cheat on you. Of course if you're Full DIK you don't care because you're banging her entire sorority nearly anyways.

To the "too much drama" point of view, I can understand why some might feel this way. Let's face it, either you loved AL or hated it, so everyone that played that one after the Jill intro to this one already had preconceived notions of this story. As I've mentioned in a previous post, I fully expect the DIK mansion to turn into a temporary morgue That way anything less is a happy ending. Do I really expect that? No. But its the extreme version of expect the worst and hope for the best mindset.

No writer will ever appeal to every one who reads their work. Many mainstream authors that are famous and best selling or considered classics have their detractors as well. Am I saying this work is a classic? Of course not. Its an AVN. There is going to be a suspension of disbelief required for these sorts of stories. Because in the real world, not every girl on the planet has breasts the size of small continents.

That people argue about the whole Jill/Tybalt blackmail thing is amusing to me. Debating the legality or merits of the threat etc. Yet these same people would have no issue with the primary conceit that there is a drug/prostitution ring being run out of the only sorority on campus. The same one where women sunbathe topless in broad daylight on campus grounds on the thoroughfare. That a single teacher can willfully remove a student without any recourse etc. They are plot devices. Nothing more, nothing less.

We can certainly discuss the strength of these plot devices, that much is certainly fair. But in all honesty, I've not been overly bothered by the inconsistencies or plot points that don't make sense in the real world. At the end of the day, they are plot contrivances that require a suspension of disbelief.

That being said, I return to the original point I was trying to make: this game appeals to different people differently. Some are going to love everything and see no issues. Others will find issue in anything that upsets their pov or interferes with the things that they pleasure in. And that's ok.

OK so you have an opinion. Everybody else does too.

As I said in an earlier post, if Maya is the central LI in this game (and I specifically mean Maya, Josy is only her shadow now) then the game is a failure, because about half of the players dislike Maya and are tired of being stuck with her.

And please don't site DPC's Patreon numbers to me. That has a lot more to do with his success at capitalizing on the notoriety garnered from Acting Lessons, than the quality of this game.

You said that a story requires a certain suspension of disbelief, and that's true to a point. Suspension of disbelief has to be earned though. It's the very benchmark of quality writing. An author can't just spew out any old crap and then demand that the audience believe it. The story has to be plausible and consistent, and that's a hurdle that this story can't clear.

 

[ename144]

I couldn't disagree more. Josy's using the MC's emotions so she won't be alone.

The whole thing should have ended when the MC said, this is farewell. Why didn't it end there? Because Josy begged (while literally clinging to him) the guy that she knew had a crush on her, to just say Goodbye, not farewell.

Think about the MC's reflections as he lays in bed that night. He's confused. He has feelings for this girl that she has actively encouraged, touching him, hugging him, if you look at the scene in the beginning again it's clearly Josy who's sending signals that she wants to date him.

At the college it's Josy who calls the MC not the other way around. Why is she bothering him? If she has decided to leave, why bother this guy who already tried to walk away from this situation? The answer is, that she's not leaving. She just uses the threat of running away to say 'look at me' 'notice me' 'chase after me, I'm running away'. Again, the night of the date. The MC has listened to her problems. He is about to say goodnight and leave when she invites him into her bed.

Every time the MC tries to get away from her she plays on his feelings to get him to stay. To give her attention. To make her feel wanted. She eventually even offers him her body to get him to stay.

This makes no sense. At college, the MC was literally in the process of calling Josy when she called him. And Josy was definitely not just pretending to leave, because she actually quit her job (as confirmed by Tina). Above all else, if Josy was so determined to keep the MC in her life she could have just lied about her "boyfriend." The very fact she kept mentioning the cheating makes it clear Josy is just as confused about things as the MC is.

You keep saying Josy is leading the MC on, but he's doing the exact same thing. Why is the MC so blameless? When the MC is in the process of leaving and Josy offers to let him spend the night, she's trying to seduce him. When Josy is about to hang up and the MC begs her not too, she's bluffing to manipulate him. Presumably when the MC stormed out, Josy was deliberately provoking him so that she could have some private time with Maya, too.

If we had been playing this from Josy's PoV and saw her lying awake in bed after their date, would you be accusing the MC of an exaggerated "nice guy" routine to guilt Josy into letting him spend the night instead?

 

[JohnDelfino]

I can't believe Maya is in this game. Why would DPC force Maya down our throat by putting Maya in this game? Scenes with girls who are not Maya are fine because it is a VN and they are part of the story but Maya has a scene and I can't believe he would shove Maya down our throats by having scenes with Maya. Why are there scenes with Maya? Maya fans will defend Maya being in the game because they are obsessed with Maya unlike me who is not obsessed with Maya. Maya.

 

[ename144]

That's big tin foil hat theory imho. Jade got butthurt that Cathy went to Bella over her before learning about their 'little history'. Simple as that. No need to over complicate things. Jade doesn't hate Cathy or ever has for that matter.

If that's the case, why is this only coming up a week later, and why would Cathy think Jade would hate her at all? Does Cathy even know Jade and Isabella dislike each other?

I think this is an occasion where some speculation is called for. Just because the MC chalks this up to the Cathy-cluck doesn't necessarily make it so. In this case, the timing and behavior strongly suggest something else is at work.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

If that's the case, why is this only coming up a week later, and why would Cathy think Jade would hate her at all? Does Cathy even know Jade and Isabella dislike each other?

I think this is an occasion where some speculation is called for. Just because the MC chalks this up to the Cathy-cluck doesn't necessarily make it so. In this case, the timing and behavior strongly suggest something else is at work.

She's literally resigning, OF COURSE it has to do with the cluck post. It's literally the only reason why, anything else is just baseless speculation.

 

[rj677]

The forced moments are fine so long as aspects of them better reflect the choices made, i.e. dialogue and scene variations. The problem is that certain moments don't have this and they end up creating this feeling of inconsistent and inexplicable behaviour from certain characters involved in them.

I totally agree with you on that, that was the point I was trying to make. Its the little things, like dialogue and scene variations that arent there, that annoy me in these so called "forced situations". They may be forced, but I what to feel like my own choices made actually mattered...

On my post I gave 2 examples of instances where ALL paths, and not just M&J path, were forced to do something: Going to the library and D&G game, but they force the MC in 2 distinct way:

-Going to the library is a "story force" because all the LIs are there and, in the story, the MC is lagging behind on study so he has to catch up and M&J helped their friend (could be avoided, but i get why it wasnt)
-The D&G game isnt a "story force", it doesnt do anything in the story and to the story, so Why couldnt it be skipped? (for example, put a choice to either go play or keep studying and gain % for another test or whatever tickled DPCs fancy)

ChipLecsap, for example, brought up another "story forced" scene, for ALL paths as well, in Bellas house with Cathy and Jill and MC staying the night and this one doesnt involve M&J (just so that people dont call me a biased hater of M&J)

Now to the problem scene: in the end of ep6 there is another "story forced" scene where the MC goes to see Maya and Josy after an urgent cry for help from Josy. Im NOT mad or annoyed that this happened, Im more annoyed in the fact that there were no variations on the scene (that I know off), and makes it feel like the Relationship MC is as worried as the Friend MC, which in my opinion wouldnt be true (for example, making the Friend MC arrive like 20 mins later and/or make up excuses for not getting there earlier or something like that and Josy and Maya noticing they were made up (this one especially on the DIK MC)). Other than that, is the tuition problem explained and the Maya dad thing explained too to major drama (which is DPC style so nothing unexpected). However, this scene gave me 2 thoughts:

-What concerns me the most is the ep7 backlash of this particular scene, because, at least in my own theories and the threads theories, it will be ep3 finale all over again. Its a surprising situation again where the MC will probably be blindsided and sucked in to the "story" and I just dont want it to be equal to ALL paths like the ep4 was (with the MC having the same behavior no matter what).

-Why was this shown to ALL paths and at the end of the episode and the Jill blackmail path was only shown to the ones that went with her on the date? Why didnt the people that missed her date but are on her path didnt get at the very least a render in the final moments of ep6 informing us, the players, of whats going on?

Finally, I wanted to finish saying that Im sorry for the long post and that I dont HATE M&J, its just a coincidence that the ep3 finale and ep 4 (almost everything that had to do with the M&J path) wasnt, in my opinion, well executed/written and left me afraid of another problem of them to solve

 

[Coque Diem]

I've lost count with how many times this question has come up. Maybe it should be in the OP ? Anyway, here's the answer:

The problem: during unzipping, the executable files in the game package lost their execute permission, so the app won't run.
Solution: if you still have the zip file, try unzipping it with The Unarchiver instead of the default archive utility. The Unarchiver tends to be better in preserving these execute permissions.
If you've already deleted the zip and don't want to download the 11 GB again, you can fix the permissions yourself in Terminal.

In Terminal, type 'chmod a+x ' without the quotes and drag the first executable in the Terminal window. Terminal will fill out the path to the executable file. Hit enter. Repeat for the second file.

To find the executables, right click on the game and choose Show package contents. Then go to Contents/MacOS. The file you are looking for is called BeinADIK. The second one (same name) is in Contents/MacOS/lib/darwinx86-64.

And has nothing to do with Big Sur. I've seen this happen on High Sierra as well, and with other games too.

hey what if after dragging file and pressing enter I see it says permission denied? oh and it still won't open?

 

[DavDR]

This makes no sense. At college, the MC was literally in the process of calling Josy when she called him. And Josy was definitely not just pretending to leave, because she actually quit her job (as confirmed by Tina). Above all else, if Josy was so determined to keep the MC in her life she could have just lied about her "boyfriend." The very fact she kept mentioning the cheating makes it clear Josy is just as confused about things as the MC is.

You keep saying Josy is leading the MC on, but he's doing the exact same thing. Why is the MC so blameless? When the MC is in the process of leaving and Josy offers to let him spend the night, she's trying to seduce him. When Josy is about to hang up and the MC begs her not too, she's bluffing to manipulate him. Presumably when the MC stormed out, Josy was deliberately provoking him so that she could have some private time with Maya, too.

If we had been playing this from Josy's PoV and saw her lying awake in bed after their date, would you be accusing the MC of an exaggerated "nice guy" routine to guilt Josy into letting him spend the night instead?

The MC was hesitating over calling Josy when the phone rang. At the end of the date we see the MC saying 'Maybe I should -' when Josy interrupts him and invites him to bed. Every time we see the MC having second thoughts.

Show me dialogue from the game where the MC is leading Josy on. You just won't admit the truth, shown in game.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I totally agree with you on that, that was the point I was trying to make. Its the little things, like dialogue and scene variations that arent there, that annoy me in these so called "forced situations". They may be forced, but I what to feel like my own choices made actually mattered...

On my post I gave 2 examples of instances where ALL paths, and not just M&J path, were forced to do something: Going to the library and D&G game, but they force the MC in 2 distinct way:

-Going to the library is a "story force" because all the LIs are there and, in the story, the MC is lagging behind on study so he has to catch up and M&J helped their friend (could be avoided, but i get why it wasnt)
-The D&G game isnt a "story force", it doesnt do anything in the story and to the story, so Why couldnt it be skipped? (for example, put a choice to either go play or keep studying and gain % for another test or whatever tickled DPCs fancy)

ChipLecsap, for example, brought up another "story forced" scene, for ALL paths as well, in Bellas house with Cathy and Jill and MC staying the night and this one doesnt involve M&J (just so that people dont call me a biased hater of M&J)

Now to the problem scene: in the end of ep6 there is another "story forced" scene where the MC goes to see Maya and Josy after an urgent cry for help from Josy. Im NOT mad or annoyed that this happened, Im more annoyed in the fact that there were no variations on the scene (that I know off), and makes it feel like the Relationship MC is as worried as the Friend MC, which in my opinion wouldnt be true (for example, making the Friend MC arrive like 20 mins later and/or make up excuses for not getting there earlier or something like that and Josy and Maya noticing they were made up (this one especially on the DIK MC)). Other than that, is the tuition problem explained and the Maya dad thing explained too to major drama (which is DPC style so nothing unexpected). However, this scene gave me 2 thoughts:

-What concerns me the most is the ep7 backlash of this particular scene, because, at least in my own theories and the threads theories, it will be ep3 finale all over again. Its a surprising situation again where the MC will probably be blindsided and sucked in to the "story" and I just dont want it to be equal to ALL paths like the ep4 was (with the MC having the same behavior no matter what).

-Why was this shown to ALL paths and at the end of the episode and the Jill blackmail path was only shown to the ones that went with her on the date? Why didnt the people that missed her date but are on her path didnt get at the very least a render in the final moments of ep6 informing us, the players, of whats going on?

Finally, I wanted to finish saying that Im sorry for the long post and that I dont HATE M&J, its just a coincidence that the ep3 finale and ep 4 (almost everything that had to do with the M&J path) wasnt, in my opinion, well executed/written and left me afraid of another problem of them to solve

you have caught an important point in the matter.

an important problem, especially evident in the sixth chapter, is that despite being a real route, there are no contents for friendship with Maya and Josy, they are exactly the same as the route of the trouple with exclusions (of course all the sexual scenes, but also others in a fairly arbitrary way). I really believe that the only "dedicated" addition is the greeting message instead of the phone call ...

and this is quite absurd.

if MC is related to them it is absolutely right for Josy to call him, a little less necessary is for MC to ask Maya again to be honest, if they are together she should take it for granted. but in case they were just friends at least the dialogues shouldn't have been different? for example Josy could have insisted that MC go to them that evening, more gratitude ..

in real life a friend who always calls you when he needs and is not present in the same way when you are in need (in the sixth chapter for example when Mc has to fix his room, but in general MC helps or can help Maya in the scavenger hunt, the opposite is not even contemplated, not even for the slap) is not a great friend. what do Maya and Josy do to be friends with MC? there was and there is a need for specific content for this route otherwise it really becomes a punitive path (even more so considering that not all the players who are on that route are so by their will)

 

[KoolMe]

M&J are integral to the story line in that they bring the whole "Restaurant" thing into focus due to the tuition and introduce just how petty and vindictive Quinn is. I get there are a lot of Quinn fans out there, and hey have fun with that. But she's as likely to get the MC killed as Bella with her stupidity. For every M&J Hater out there that hates the girls being forced on them, I feel violated that I had no choice but to let that skank give me whatever Social Disease she has in the Cumpetition. I wouldn't touch her with Derek's dick personally. But it was a part of the story that was needed. So one rolls with the punches.

thats the thing I really dont get , How Maya could ever be justified to be the integral part of the story line , when she barely knew or heard anything about about the "whole restaurant" ,
All Maya wanted was the free tuition , and dumb enough to think completing a list would grant her the honor , She was in it for her own selfish reasons , She deserved everything Quin did to her and probably even a lot more
Just like episode 4 ruined Maya for me , Ep 6 did the same with Quinn , the way she blackmailed and emotionally tortured Mona, after being sexually assaulted , was something Quin cant be forgiven for ,
Quin did deserve the final slap , but Mona should have been the one slapping not maya

The quest of Mona , camila , lily and sage exposing quins escorts and drug cartel would fit the narrative way better than involving Maya in anything

 

[Zirael Q]

thats the thing I really dont get , How Maya could ever be justified to be the integral part of the story line , when she barely knew or heard anything about about the "whole restaurant" ,
All Maya wanted was the free tuition , and dumb enough to think completing a list would grant her the honor , She was in it for her own selfish reasons , She deserved everything Quin did to her and probably even a lot more
Just like episode 4 ruined Maya for me , Ep 6 did the same with Quinn , the way she blackmailed and emotionally tortured Mona, after being sexually assaulted , was something Quin cant be forgiven for ,
Quin did deserve the final slap , but Mona should have been the one slapping not maya

The quest of Mona , camila , lily and sage exposing quins escorts and drug cartel would fit the narrative way better than involving Maya in anything

Quinn took a risk by trying to expand, adding Mona and leading Maya on. I don't believe she thought of offering it to Maya for a second, it's clear as a day she won't ever do something like that. She just wanted to see how far Maya'd lower her inhibitions I guess, the usual pushing the buttons thing. Like what happened with Ashley at the sauna. Anyways, she explained how things will be to Mona. She agreed to the terms. She perfectly knew what she was getting into. She fucked up, ran away from one of the 3 deans of the university, the one orchestrating some shady stuff at the very last second. With the fact of knowing what he did.
By the way, it's not "sexual assault" if she consents before, then backs up at the last minute. She obviously has the right to back off, but there are also consequences at this point.
For the blackmail part, she most probably got kicked right when she left that room. The word of it going out would be a scandal and could cause Burke his status and his prestige. Are you that naive to think he would take Quinn's word for it?

 

[Hecki]

Can anyone send a torrent file pls thy <3

 

[felicemastronzo]

Quinn took a risk by trying to expand, adding Mona and leading Maya on. I don't believe she thought of offering it to Maya for a second, it's clear as a day she won't ever do something like that. She just wanted to see how far Maya'd lower her inhibitions I guess, the usual pushing the buttons thing. Like what happened with Ashley at the sauna. Anyways, she explained how things will be to Mona. She agreed to the terms. She perfectly knew what she was getting into. She fucked up, ran away from one of the 3 deans of the university, the one orchestrating some shady stuff at the very last second. With the fact of knowing what he did.
By the way, it's not "sexual assault" if she consents before, then backs up at the last minute. She obviously has the right to back off, but there are also consequences at this point.
For the blackmail part, she most probably got kicked right when she left that room. The word of it going out would be a scandal and could cause Burke his status and his prestige. Are you that naive to think he would take Quinn's word for it?

that part doesn't convince me very much.

if Mona is a danger to Burke, what does making her go away? wasn't it better to keep her in BR under Quinn's control anyway?

we have seen that under pressure Mona does not hold up and tends to say things she shouldn't, far from BR she could tell what happened to anyone.

and even Quinn as a criminal mind is worth nothing, all her moves are dictated by desperation, there is no strategy, she is like a gambler who is losing a lot of money and for this she continues to bet more and more, with more and more risks . she has a poker face, but bad cards in hand

going to the Preps was a failure, getting drugs for Rick another failure ...

 

[mpa71]

Can anyone send a torrent file pls thy <3

...

 

[Procyonix]

thats the thing I really dont get , How Maya could ever be justified to be the integral part of the story line , when she barely knew or heard anything about about the "whole restaurant" ,
All Maya wanted was the free tuition , and dumb enough to think completing a list would grant her the honor , She was in it for her own selfish reasons , She deserved everything Quin did to her and probably even a lot more
Just like episode 4 ruined Maya for me , Ep 6 did the same with Quinn , the way she blackmailed and emotionally tortured Mona, after being sexually assaulted , was something Quin cant be forgiven for ,
Quin did deserve the final slap , but Mona should have been the one slapping not maya

The quest of Mona , camila , lily and sage exposing quins escorts and drug cartel would fit the narrative way better than involving Maya in anything

What I meant was she was integral in bringing the whole thing out to us the players. I mean I get there are a lot of reasons people dislike her. There are reasons to like or dislike most of the women in the story thus far. My main intention in my post wsa to bring that out, that there are reasons for things and that its ok for we the players to disagree on things. No one point of view is "right" by definition. Nor one "wrong." Opinions are personal, and everyone is entitled to feel the way they do about things. I mean I've met people who are very like most of the characters in the story so far in my lifetime (though so far as I know I've not know a drug dealer and pimp).

I'm actually on the fence with most of the women in the game after having played the story through three different ways. The only two that my opinion hasn't changed at all since day one are Bella and Quinn. Bella because I think her last name is "Manson" and Quinn well, I disliked her from the start, and nothing that's happened this far has made me see her in any different light. I simply have not seen anything redeeming about her. But again, this is my opinion, and I know that there are plenty of people that feel differently, and I respect their right to do so.

 

[Hugh G. Rection]

that part doesn't convince me very much.

if Mona is a danger to Burke, what does making her go away? wasn't it better to keep her in BR under Quinn's control anyway?

we have seen that under pressure Mona does not hold up and tends to say things she shouldn't, far from BR she could tell what happened to anyone.

and even Quinn as a criminal mind is worth nothing, all her moves are dictated by desperation, there is no strategy, she is like a gambler who is losing a lot of money and for this she continues to bet more and more, with more and more risks . she has a poker face, but bad cards in hand

going to the Preps was a failure, getting drugs for Rick another failure ...

It's Mona's word against Burke's, and as far as the prep party only Camila and MC seemed to witness her storm out followed by Burke sneaking away. As far as anyone not in the know is concerned, he's squeaky clean and Mona might have a crush on him, trying to reverse MeToo or some crazy shit for attention. Because the people that do know the truth are mostly also implicated in it.

Mona wanted out of Quinn's buffet but she couldn't afford to stay without the 'tuition' money. And while Burke has no reason to trust she would keep her mouth shut, stopping her from leaving B&R would only make him look like he has something to hide. He has no control over what Mona does, why would he? He did nothing wrong, remember?

 

[felicemastronzo]

It's Mona's word against Burke's, and as far as the prep party only Camila and MC seemed to witness her storm out followed by Burke sneaking away. As far as anyone not in the know is concerned, he's squeaky clean and Mona might have a crush on him, trying to reverse MeToo or some crazy shit for attention. Because the people that do know the truth are mostly also implicated in it.

Mona wanted out of Quinn's buffet but she couldn't afford to stay without the 'tuition' money. And while Burke has no reason to trust she would keep her mouth shut, stopping her from leaving B&R would only make him look like he has something to hide. He has no control over what Mona does, why would he? He did nothing wrong, remember?

in virtually every case of sexual harassment or abuse it is

and the victim's word is enough to ruin the accused's reputation

and reputation is very important to Burke

 

[highelo]

Happy holidays guys, does anyone know where is the android link to download of the current version?

 

[Hugh G. Rection]

in virtually every case of sexual harassment or abuse it is

and the victim's word is enough to ruin the accused's reputation

and reputation is very important to Burke

And there's literally nothing Burke can do to stop this or that random girl from accusing him of this, falsely or not.

She stays and maybe accuses him, or she leaves and maybe accuses him. He is at risk either way, but not letting her leave makes him look suspicious.

What would really tank him is if his involvement in the prostitution ring was discovered, as there is enough evidence to go around to supplement the already considerable damage to his reputation taken with an accusation alone.

 

[felicemastronzo]

And there's literally nothing Burke can do to stop this or that random girl from accusing him of this, falsely or not.

She stays and maybe accuses him, or she leaves and maybe accuses him. He is at risk either way, but not letting her leave makes him look suspicious.

What would really tank him is if his involvement in the prostitution ring was discovered, as there is enough evidence to go around to supplement the already considerable damage to his reputation taken with an accusation alone.

in my opinion continuing to pay her for college, keeping her still involved in HOTs activities (keeping her under control and if anything, gathering evidence of her "daring" behavior) is much safer than kicking her out and mistreating her.

by the way, as you say, right now Mona wouldn't even need to talk about the prostitution ring, so she could accuse him without even getting too dirty, and Burke would have no interest in bringing it out.