VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Holy Bacchus]

out of curiosity, and I know I will start a debate with this, what would you tell him, what would be you criticism?
no offense to you or anyone, but so far, most of the so called criticism is nothing more than personal opinions, aka "I dont like this or that, therefore it's bad".
"I don't like the DnG it was a waste of time he should focus on plot, that is what I'm interested in."
"I don't like that I had to choose between Jill and Sage, so unfair, He should change this and that way so I could feel better about it "
I' mean that is the was majority, it is rare when someone actually came out with something that is truly can be a criticism. .

We've had a few legitimate criticisms on this thread over time, most notably with the Affinity system and how the M&J scene were handled in Ep 4. I'd also say that the DnG complaints are valid too because it felt like pointless filler and took away a lot of potential and sorely needed plot progression.

Another complaint that I feel is fairly valid is the way certain things just get forgotten about and seemingly swept under the rug rather than being resolved which can, in some cases, lead to some stark contrasts in character behaviour; things like the MC not explaining to Jade why he missed their rendezvous or the fact that a day after breaking down in tears when kissing the MC in the library, Bella can get naked in her shower with him and jerk him off.

 

[D2M3]

out of curiosity, and I know I will start a debate with this, what would you tell him, what would be you criticism?
no offense to you or anyone, but so far, most of the so called criticism is nothing more than personal opinions, aka "I dont like this or that, therefore it's bad".
"I don't like the DnG it was a waste of time he should focus on plot, that is what I'm interested in."
"I don't like that I had to choose between Jill and Sage, so unfair, He should change this and that way so I could feel better about it "
I' mean that is the was majority, it is rare when someone actually came out with something that is truly can be a criticism. .

If I were to add to this convo, I'd say this. To find cons with BaDIK, one has to think. Any other game on this site, I can literally bang out a minimum of 3 glaringly obvious deficiencies that should be improved with next update / game, but this one?.... Nothing is obvious.

I'll say this. DnG is a waste. It does, however, even that has real world connections as a story progresser.
English minigame is legit annoying. It is annoying to the max. Math ones are fun, especially first time around when solving them legit. Gender one is....meh, but tolerable. English is annoying as hell.

See, these are nitpicks. I'm not saying "render quality, overall gameplay" etc. type of broad criticisms. All I can come up with is these little things. I'm gonna say, being railroaded at the very start of the game into kissing Josy and then no matter how hard you try, being railroaded to at least form a platonic thing with Maya is the most overall criticism, yet I know why it is that way.

 

[AchedCroissant]

out of curiosity, and I know I will start a debate with this, what would you tell him, what would be you criticism?
no offense to you or anyone, but so far, most of the so called criticism is nothing more than personal opinions, aka "I dont like this or that, therefore it's bad".
"I don't like the DnG it was a waste of time he should focus on plot, that is what I'm interested in."
"I don't like that I had to choose between Jill and Sage, so unfair, He should change this and that way so I could feel better about it "
I' mean that is the was majority, it is rare when someone actually came out with something that is truly can be a criticism. .

Well I think there is a lot of difference between a criticism and an attack

 

[ChipLecsap]

Well I think there is a lot of difference between a criticism and an attack

You didn't really answered my question . the two other comments are once again falls to the personal opinion categories, D2M3 use the term of nitpicks is actually the better description, kudos for that. .
DnG as a waste would be legit, if this was the last episode and there would be lots of unresolved stuff. But peoples complain when there is to much drama, and complain when there is feel good fun stuff just for the sake of fun. go figure.
mini games can be annoying, or even hard. on the other hand you can turn them off, so....
other story elements, why we have to spend time with certain characters, are came from the fact, that we don't play an rpg, or sandbox game.
as long as we can find logical, explanations, that fit it to the game universe, the game rules, we can debunk the criticism. so far nothing really happened that we can stand up and say this does not make sense at all based on the previous experiences.
so yeah, nitpicks

 

[godkingxerxes]

We've had a few legitimate criticisms on this thread over time, most notably with the Affinity system and how the M&J scene were handled in Ep 4. I'd also say that the DnG complaints are valid too because it felt like pointless filler and took away a lot of potential and sorely needed plot progression.

Another complaint that I feel is fairly valid is the way certain things just get forgotten about and seemingly swept under the rug rather than being resolved which can, in some cases, lead to some stark contrasts in character behaviour; things like the MC not explaining to Jade why he missed their rendezvous or the fact that a day after breaking down in tears when kissing the MC in the library, Bella can get naked in her shower with him and jerk him off.

The DnG took away nothing, if there was no DnG, nothing would have changed. Maybe a slight longer study scene but that's it.

And why should the MC get a second chance at Jade? It's a choice, they have consequences. You chose to stand her up to hang out with Maya, why should she ever get a second chance.

 

[Darkdevil66]

out of curiosity, and I know I will start a debate with this, what would you tell him, what would be you criticism?
no offense to you or anyone, but so far, most of the so called criticism is nothing more than personal opinions, aka "I dont like this or that, therefore it's bad".
"I don't like the DnG it was a waste of time he should focus on plot, that is what I'm interested in."
"I don't like that I had to choose between Jill and Sage, so unfair, He should change this and that way so I could feel better about it "
I' mean that is the was majority, it is rare when someone actually came out with something that is truly can be a criticism. .

Can't speak for everyone but I'm pretty sure all living beings here and on discord despise those fucking painting games.

Seriously, if just one damned soul on earth actually enjoyed it, just denounced yourself !

Another complaint that I feel is fairly valid is the way certain things just get forgotten about and seemingly swept under the rug rather than being resolved which can, in some cases, lead to some stark contrasts in character behaviour; things like the MC not explaining to Jade why he missed their rendezvous

Explaining to a sexualy frustrated and unhappy forty-year old woman that you've picked two younger women over her ? That would be rubbing salt in the wound, don't you think ?

 

[travelman]

I'd also say that the DnG complaints are valid too because it felt like pointless filler and took away a lot of potential and sorely needed plot progression.

How can you know it's filler thought until game ends? Maybe forging relationship with Magnar and Sally(well, hate relationship in her case) through those will be used later on and even part of some major choice.

Can't speak for everyone but I'm pretty sure all living beings here and on discord despise those fucking painting games.

Haven't had a single issue with any of the minigames, apart from being ESL and having bad scores at english tests, but well, that's why the minigame is there for, so you can lose it.

 

[felicemastronzo]

out of curiosity, and I know I will start a debate with this, what would you tell him, what would be you criticism?
no offense to you or anyone, but so far, most of the so called criticism is nothing more than personal opinions, aka "I dont like this or that, therefore it's bad".
"I don't like the DnG it was a waste of time he should focus on plot, that is what I'm interested in."
"I don't like that I had to choose between Jill and Sage, so unfair, He should change this and that way so I could feel better about it "
I' mean that is the was majority, it is rare when someone actually came out with something that is truly can be a criticism. .

I don't understand the point.

should criticism be technical? would they make more sense?

it seems normal to me that they concern how "personally" we perceived choices and aspects of the game.
if I don't like D&G it's my problem, if 51% of those who have played it don't like it it could be a D&G problem.
the same goes for the affinity system, on KRJ and more

then the criticisms of the things already done have a relative importance, but they can give an indication of what to do from here on.



what would be an objective criticism for you and which DPC should necessarily accept?

How can you know it's filler thought until game ends? Maybe forging relationship with Magnar and Sally(well, hate relationship in her case) through those will be used later on and even part of some major choice.


Haven't had a single issue with any of the minigames, apart from being ESL and having bad scores at english tests, but well, that's why the minigame is there for, so you can lose it.

if there are no variables in the game that change value it will necessarily be meaningless in the future

 

[moskyx]

what would be an objective criticism for you and which DPC should necessarily accept?

*tolerate* is the right term, in this case

 

[AchedCroissant]

You didn't really answered my question . the two other comments are once again falls to the personal opinion categories, D2M3 use the term of nitpicks is actually the better description, kudos for that. .
DnG as a waste would be legit, if this was the last episode and there would be lots of unresolved stuff. But peoples complain when there is to much drama, and complain when there is feel good fun stuff just for the sake of fun. go figure.
mini games can be annoying, or even hard. on the other hand you can turn them off, so....
other story elements, why we have to spend time with certain characters, are came from the fact, that we don't play an rpg, or sandbox game.
as long as we can find logical, explanations, that fit it to the game universe, the game rules, we can debunk the criticism. so far nothing really happened that we can stand up and say this does not make sense at all based on the previous experiences.
so yeah, nitpicks

What can I tell you, I would tell DPC to fix Maya's skin because sometimes it looks terrible and if he banned me for that? Because his finger does not weigh much when it comes to banning or he would listen to me if I paid the 100$ per month

He banned Gladheim for asking him something. He will be a good developer but as a person he is leaving a bad image when receiving criticism or suggestions

 

[felicemastronzo]

*tolerate* is the right term, in this case

the sense of what I meant was that

it's not that a criticism is followed by a modification of the game, and DPC doesn't even have to cover his head in ashes in public.

it should just not ban or censor those who express it, and if he finds it reasonable to treasure it for the future

 

[Gladheim]

What can I tell you, I would tell DPC to fix Maya's skin because sometimes it looks terrible and if he banned me for that? Because his finger does not weigh much when it comes to banning or he would listen to me if I paid the 100$ per month

He banned Gladheim for asking him something. He will be a good developer but as a person he is leaving a bad image when receiving criticism or suggestions

He didnt ban me for asking him something, he banned me for asking in the chat if they could show me a render that several of them were talking about, a render that I couldn't see because it was for a higher tier but I didn't know that. Yeah DPC easily gets his finger on BAN button xd, not even his admins and important people from his discord and community could make him change his mind. I summarize it easily, criticism of his person is not accepted, it is not accepted that you talk about modding, that you talk about any pirated page, or even mention it as a MAGIC SITE and of course it does not accept private messages even if you ask for permission xD

 

[AchedCroissant]

He didnt ban me for asking him something, he banned me for asking in the chat if they could show me a render that several of them were talking about, a render that I couldn't see because it was for a higher tier but I didn't know that. Yeah DPC easily gets his finger on BAN button xd, not even his admins and important people from his discord and community could make him change his mind. I summarize it easily, criticism of his person is not accepted, it is not accepted that you talk about modding, that you talk about any pirated page, or even mention it as a MAGIC SITE and of course it does not accept private messages even if you ask for permission xD

I did not remember the reason for the ban, but I do not know what the Swedes will be like or probably he is Ibrahimovic and that would explain many things

 

[Sepulcross]

Tybalt tries everything in his power to make MC look bad so that Jill will begin to doubt that the MC is a good person; to make her question if he is really worthy to have a relationship with, but don't worry, Jill will surely see what a scumbag Tybalt really is, I'm sure she will do something about it. The clock is ticking for Tybalt, can't wait for the bomb to explode

I want Jill to see Tybalt with Watermelon Jill. I'll frame Tybalt's facial expression and hang it on my wall.

 

[Warscared]

I think you mean, "Fortunately it's not complete". It will be "unfortunate" when it is complete because then we will have no more updates to look forward to, no more crazy theories to discuss, no more good theories to discuss, and will be left with a hollow emptiness in our lives where this game once was.

that`s 90% of the fun for me so i understand! i just got 3 of my theories posts deleted for spoilers ! but how can one build a properly argument theory without a few spoilers and personality analyses!

Anyway the next step i already gave my opinion a sandbox with this lore where one can play 4-5 years of college life divided into 2 semester 20 weeks long!
Could easily Beat Milfy City most of the animations and renders can be reused and its not like there´s not enough artists to sub contract mini game developments and add a few other girls and develop their backgrounds! If this comes out the cafeteria Lady is mine, you can have KRJ !

Shit, I hope that doesn't happen. Everything about that was terrible. I don't mean the drama, I mean the writing. The nurse's psychosis came completely out of nowhere, especially if you never pursued her. And everything about the "choice" was bullshit. There's no way the PC couldn't drag 2 90 lb girls out of the house when they were lying right next to each other on the ground floor. How did they even pass out in the living room? As for the "choice" itself. Assuming the player only pursued one of them, then you're obviously going to choose the one you pursued. If you pursued both, you're just going to pick Melissa. I mean, she's more attractive than Megan and her life was shit enough without adding "burned alive in my boyfriend's place when his stalker set the house on fire, just as things started to turn around."

although i agree if we were to be honest Meghan would always be the right choice! She already had a career she was a good girl with the MC being the 4th dude in her life which in today's world is like wtf that is basically a virgin! Overall at that moment anyone with an ounce of moral integrity should have always picked Meghan she earned for herself she had a good life in front of her while Melissa came from a ruined divorced house with abusive and weak parents she had like a 50% chance of ending up as a crack hora or an abused wife! So the question i then must put before myself is... why do i always pick Melissa and the one time that hurt the most was when i left her there, wasn't even the 1st play it was to complete the Meghan path and yet... the face that had those eyes in that smile sends reason out the door! either that or i´m captain saveaho!

as for all the Tybalt haters you really believe the MC is a good guy? i´m pretty sure the MC as caught more STD´s in a week of college then he got laid in 4 years of college! If one is to analyse this yes Tybalt is insecure and everything in that explains is behavior! He as not cheated on Jill, (except with the male watermelon) and he tries to help her! 90% of the dudes criticizing young tyballs have played MC´s far worse then him stealing panties! It´s a a bad Look but by now you should know how its like to be in love with the queen of blue balls mountain (that used to be my nickname for Maya by the way)!
He is a responsible young man who works hard to make his mommy and daddy proud and all he asks is some love! I mean who wouldn't be insecure if your mommy was Jade? I mean with all the incest urges... or all of a sudden being someone who cares about the future is a bad thing? You´re just jealous cause you can´t be Tyablt Burke descendant of the famous 18th century parliamentarian Edmund Burke the father of the modern conservative movement (and that is true pedigree and yes Edmund Burke was the father of the modern political philosophy called conservators,although i don´t believe he left male progeny cause he refused to be made Lord of the Realm, he was also Irish ... do not take that against him)
As for his used of fake contraband watches, since when being financially responsible is a bad thing? The dude just wants some respect and love ffs, considering the household from where he stems him not being a totally deranged psychopath after we see what Jade and Stephen are like shows hes got more personality then Derek!

So yes Tyablt defends Jill or you think that someone as so poetically was described in this forum "goes to 2 innocent girls smelling of drugs and drenched in Quinn´s juice and proposes a three way" is someone worthy of your Queen? The dude is a violent loud mouth strip club hanger on bad influence! He is not perfect and he seriously needs to get laid, but even that he can afford 20 Rhyona and Camilla threesomes a week and yet he stays true to his love, that is commendable (and pityiful, but since its his choice and not a lack of options)

sorry for not posting as much just Played Depraved awakenings and the extreme sex scenes just put me off... not a game for me but a great story!
Also played long live the princess and the incest is a total turn off for me i actually got females in the family and although i recognize them as sexual beings its impossible for me to feel attraction towards them and therefore the MC and that game are not for me! Did love the mechanics tough nice work!

So if anyone can recomend a few games with a decent story and interesting game mechanics i would appreciate it!

Explaining to a sexualy frustrated and unhappy forty-year old woman that you've picked two younger women over her ? That would be rubbing salt in the wound, don't you think ?

technically if you add up their ages he picked someone between 36 and 38! Besides its not like he can´t Lie! Although from Sage point of view for such a proud woman that must be hard to swallow!

As for my criticisms is small dialogues things like when you don´t choose either Maya or Josie to sleep with before they put the beds together there should have been a Nietzsche reference like "yea a bit uncomfortable but you cant beat the view" and small stuff like that that enrich the story!

 

[D2M3]

Okay, here's the smallest, most insignificant nitpick I have. How come MC's hair is near jetblack level of dark brown when both his dad and mom have considerably lighter hair tones?

 

[AchedCroissant]

Okay, here's the smallest, most insignificant nitpick I have. How come MC's hair is near jetblack level of dark brown when both his dad and mom have considerably lighter hair tones?

This can explain it to you very well

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But seriously I think Neil is not the blood father

 

[arknas]

I want Jill to see Tybalt with Watermelon Jill. I'll frame Tybalt's facial expression and hang it on my wall.

I recall there was something in Rooster. If I’m correct it was picture of watermelon dressed in Jill’s stolen panties and her photo pinned. I replayed the game few times on different paths but I couldn’t find it. Are there any requirements to trigger that post? Or am I just wrong and it doesn’t exist in the game and it was some kind of remake I saw in here?

 

[RogueShadowDev]

6+ months of lurking in this thread (with and without an account) are broken with this post, so I'll try to make it a good one. sorry Warscared if I'm stealing your thunder on post length!

I've read through most of the 106,000+ posts in this thread, and I gotta say I love the discussions! However, there's one topic that's come up, and with Sepulcross's comment, I felt the need to pose another viewpoint into this.

I'm a Jill fan too, but you're right when they say, Jill was easily manipulated when she really shouldn't have been. It is disturbing that he did not listen to the incident in our mouth, but simply believes in Tybalt and dropped the date like a bomb.

Bear with me, we're gonna get a bit deep here. I want to hear what you guys think of this.

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Maybe I'm stating the obvious (or late to the party on this), and I'm sorry if I am. This is just something that hit me as intriguing.

What makes this game so great to me are all these little details and moments that DPC throws in to make the characters seem 'real'. Someone on here mentioned how the MC adjusts Josy's top strap during their couch discussion - things like that really make this game great. With the information we get in chapter 6, Jill's personality is starting to become a bit clearer for me.

I'll go back to lurking now, but loving the discussions and theories (some more than others, but hey...) so far in this thread! This is a fantastic way to pass the time while we await another chapter!

 

[Skeltom]

Okay, here's the smallest, most insignificant nitpick I have. How come MC's hair is near jetblack level of dark brown when both his dad and mom have considerably lighter hair tones?

It happens that way sometimes. Both my parents are brunettes but me and my sister are as ginger as they come. But this time I just think its a model oversight.