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shazba

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While I agree with your overall premise, I do think Neil is shown to be a somewhat unreliable narrator: both the MC's intro and Neil's inability to settle on small details when recounting Lynette's story at the start of the game show this.

But not all unreliable narrators are created equal. Neil is also shown - numerous times - to care about the MC, and the MC clearly loves him. On top of that, everything we've learned since Neil's initial story has validated the main points of his narrative: the MC's mother ran away from her rich family to be with Neil, but died yeas ago.

So my take on Neil is that he means well and is being forthright in everything he tells the MC, but he's a bit disorganized and thus his story might have more errors in it than usual (even for a 20 year old recollection). I don't think we should consider any of the details confirmed (without further evidence): things like Lynette's age, the exact timeline of her departure, or even how he first caught her attention could be different that we expect. It would not surprise me to learn, for example, that Lynette's decision to run away from home was a lot more complicated than Neil suggested.

But as you say, those are the less consequential details of his story, and I do think we can rely on the major points: Lynette did give up her family to be with Neil, and she did die giving birth to the MC. So I would say we should take anything Neil says with a grain of salt, but shouldn't dismiss it without actual contradictory evidence.



YMMV, but I think Sage looks so much better with her hair up I sometimes need to remind myself she's the same character back in Episode 1. It's no contest.
I pretty much agree with everything there, but I can't cope with the label "Unreliable Narrator". You may call him an unreliable witness, but not narrator. The MC is the narrator. An unreliable narrator is a very different kettle of fish to an unreliable witness.

When a narrator says things, we take it as fact. The instant they are caught in a falsehood we suddenly have cause to distrust everything they've said because they have a motive for misleading us. Fucking "Life of Pi" anyone? A witness is going to be considered less omniscient (even if the narrator is not omniscient, we typically trust them until proven otherwise).

That said, I do believe Neil is getting some minor details wrong. He said he met Lynette when she'd just turned 18. In her diary (the one she got for her 18th birthday) she's running away to stay with friends. No mention of Neil, so maybe she only just met him or hasn't met his yet, but the two events overlapping (Neil meeting her and falling in love, with her running away because she doesn't want to leave her friends - but no mention of Neil among the friends she lists) is a little confusing.
 
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dregon87

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Guys, if I choose to give a chance to my relationship with Maya and Josy, will it negatively affect my relationship with Sage?
And can a relationship with Sage be more than a fuck buddy?
 

KingDick77

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Even though it is probably not gonna happen and out of character for the MC, I would be all down for snorting that coke off Quinn's ass.
 

DavDR

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Either you have been smoking Dalli's stash or I have

This looks like minecraft hair
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This is the natural hair
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Only in close up, the pic itself look's good. The second pic look's like it's plastered with hairspray. Also, remember the scene, she was just arguing with Chad, of course she's gonna look a bit disheveled.
 

Alien Meep

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Glad you enjoyed it, ya this game does a really good job on music and character development. Another top shelf game would be City of Broken Dreamers - it is the only other VN game that, at least to me, feels like it's on BAD level of quality in both story and scenes.
Thanks for recommending the game, I will try it.
 
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Kellermann

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I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason why I have a jill only playthru set aside is due to a factor I touched upon before, story themes around individual girls you interact with.
And Jill's story theme lends itself to a definitely singular romance, rotating around the age old story of people from worlds apart coming together. It's not a modern age story with like Sage, it requires a more classical approach.
For me, I do it only for completionism. I find her to be incredibly boring with little engaging content and I'm not even talking about lewd scenes, which is another strike. Maybe things will improve when her concert takes places. I used to play guitar and I've always like piano, so the music angle is all that really appeals to me in the Jill route. Might also be fun to see how things blow up when Jill finds out what Bella and MC have been up to.

I still think that Chekhov's 8ball is gonna be Riona's end.
Indeed. Even more so than Quinn, Riona has an aura of death that surrounds her.

watermelon creep
I resemble that remark.
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KristopheH

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On the subject of hair. Which hairstyle/color suits Sage the best:

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I think she looks HOTter with it down, but can't decide between her natural red or the vibrant red of her past.
Hair up is miles better. I also prefer the natural colour. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing more of her in her early-years makeup. Those dark lips are amazing.
 

Jimayo

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Thanks for recommending the game, I will try it.
Gotta disagree with him.

Because the deluca family for sure, and possibly become a rock star are on that level as well. In fact I'd probably peg the deluca family as the best of the bunch, and that's really saying something.
 

alex13_zen

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Up to EP6, it has no effect on relations. Depending on how you play, Sage falls in love with the MC in EP6.
But no one knows how this will play out in EP7.
What are the indications that Sage fell in love with you, withholding sex? Seriously what makes you say she falls in love? I might have to play again her route.
 
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Kellermann

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Gotta disagree with him.

Because the deluca family for sure, and possibly become a rock star are on that level as well. In fact I'd probably peg the deluca family as the best of the bunch, and that's really saying something.
While I agree with you that Deluca and Rock Star are great games, are you saying you think City of Broken Dreamers doesn't have good characters and music??? If so, I've located a unicorn, because it's very difficult to find people who don't think that game, and in particular the characters and music, is amazing. Maybe I'm just interpreting that wrong.
 
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