VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[The Pink Royce]

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(which he has cleverly hidden by making out in the locker room of a gym normally frequented by his enlightened jocks friends).

Maya lacks power towards her father (and this power she gave to her father by continuing to trust him against all evidence), but it is not only from him that she hides, she hides from everybody. and then this lack of power, of character be it what it may, must culminate in a reaction

Maya's reaction is to kick Josy out of her life for the second time. and to give up again, and this is Josy's statement, not mine, then unfortunately Sage intervenes and forces her to be helped again.

you say that this story should push those who follow it to take Maya's side... except that in this it has statistically failed, considering the success the character has had.
but going even beyond this aspect (the players are all retrograde chauvinists except me, you and a couple of people I like), if I decide to defend Maya I don't do it for a sexual issue, that is completely marginal, you do it to defend a girl from an abuse. if the father had acted the same way because he wanted Maya to be a housewife and to have already 4 children, I would have defended her the same way
The social issue doesn't really come in, because it's not in the interest of the story that it comes in.

and also she's 18 and been living with her father her whole life ... it kind of has influence
not to mention the toll it takes on her psyche . only escape is Josy who lives far away and her brother
Derek who drinks assvodka for breakfast.

cmon guys cut her some slack . i know she didnt have to crawl out of hell like Rio or Quinn
but its not like she had it easier then avrg person .

 

[felicemastronzo]

and also she's 18 and been living with her father her whole life ... it kind of has influence
not to mention the toll it takes on her psyche . only escape is Josy who lives far away and her brother
Derek who drinks assvodka for breakfast.

cmon guys cut her some slack . i know she didnt have to crawl out of hell like Rio or Quinn
but its not like she had it easier then avrg person .

but I like Maya, but her faults are part of her, it's not that I have to consider her a new Joan of Arc!

Sage is my absolute favourite but I think she is a girl who would drive almost anyone who wanted to be by her side to the psychiatric ward (and not for the 3 out of 5 stars).

 

[The Pink Royce]

but I like Maya, but her faults are part of her, it's not that I have to consider her a new Joan of Arc!

Sage is my absolute favourite but I think she is a girl who would drive almost anyone who wanted to be by her side to the psychiatric ward (and not for the 3 out of 5 stars).

well i think you on to something about Sage , it turned Chad gay

 

[felicemastronzo]

well i think you on to something about Sage , it turned Chad gay

your judgement is homophobic!!!

but you might be right

 

[Heycock]

they lie knowing they are lying, don't believe every stranger who writes on the internet

So Maya lied? Interesting... first time I've heard that one.

now let's see what Chad will do: if he confronts the problem or simply asks mc to keep his secret (which he has cleverly hidden by making out in the locker room of a gym normally frequented by his enlightened jocks friends).

Maya lacks power towards her father (and this power she gave to her father by continuing to trust him against all evidence), but it is not only from him that she hides, she hides from everybody. and then this lack of power, of character be it what it may, must culminate in a reaction

Maya's reaction is to kick Josy out of her life for the second time. and to give up again, and this is Josy's statement, not mine, then unfortunately Sage intervenes and forces her to be helped again.

you say that this story should push those who follow it to take Maya's side... except that in this it has statistically failed, considering the success the character has had.
but going even beyond this aspect (the players are all retrograde chauvinists except me, you and a couple of people I like), if I decide to defend Maya I don't do it for a sexual issue, that is completely marginal, you do it to defend a girl from an abuse. if the father had acted the same way because he wanted Maya to be a housewife and to have already 4 children, I would have defended her the same way
The social issue doesn't really come in, because it's not in the interest of the story that it comes in.

Well dont trust me. I know i am right, i know they were talking serious. You think there are not homophobics? or that they dont masturbate?
And for sure is not the first time that a story with a progressive agenda fails and is face against a huge backlash. We have seen it once and again and again lately. Everyone were happy when DPC was making fun of feminist and gays but once he starts to put gay narrative on the menu suddenly some people start to become angry? What a surprise.
Of all the girls in the story the lesbian feminist is the most hated? What a surprise.
Also is clear that the story has "failed" with Maya. That's evident. She is a porn character, her main goal is todirectly please the player. And yet she is the less like it? Politics felice. We reach a point in wich people is no longer able to enjoy porn if it cames with a very naive political messege.

Of course they lied. A justified lied in the context of the story, that's the point. You will not openly say that you are gay in Arabia Saudita for example. And noone can blame you if you want to keep being alive.
Man we should not being argueing this couse it was explicit on the end of episode 7.

Ok about Chad kissing of the gym, that was stupid. It is a classic stupidity from comedy narrative.
You are exagereting, she didnt kick her out of her live and by that point she didn't had any option. Thats the point, she lacks power. That's the main trait of a victim. She doesnt have options. Well yeah, she could loose her scolarship and see how everyone around her get a degree a while she clean floors for a minimum wage to pay a loan she couldnt even use. Or she could talk with her father and since we know that fanatics are reasonable people he would understand her. Honestely you cant blame her for lying to her father.

I am sorry but i am lost right now. You know that the conflict is that Maya is lesbian?

 

[Hermith]

Well dont trust me. I know i am right, i know they were talking serious. You think there are not homophobics? or that they dont masturbate?
And for sure is not the first time that a story with a progressive agenda fails and is face against a huge backlash. We have seen it once and again and again lately. Everyone were happy when DPC was making fun of feminist and gays but once he starts to put gay narrative on the menu suddenly some people start to become angry? What a surprise.
Of all the girls in the story the lesbian feminist is the most hated? What a surprise.
Also is clear that the story has "failed" with Maya. That's evident. She is a porn character, her main goal is todirectly please the player. And yet she is the less like it? Politics felice. We reach a point in wich people is no longer able to enjoy porn if it cames with a very naive political messege.

Of course they lied. A justified lied in the context of the story, that's the point. You will not openly say that you are gay in Arabia Saudita for example. And noone can blame you if you want to keep being alive.
Man we should not being argueing this couse it was explicit on the end of episode 7.

Ok about Chad kissing of the gym, that was stupid. It is a classic stupidity from comedy narrative.
You are exagereting, she didnt kick her out of her live and by that point she didn't had any option. Thats the point, she lacks power. That's the main trait of a victim. She doesnt have options. Well yeah, she could loose her scolarship and see how everyone around her get a degree a while she clean floors for a minimum wage to pay a loan she couldnt even use. Or she could talk with her father and since we know that fanatics are reasonable people he would understand her. Honestely you cant blame her for lying to her father.

I am sorry but i am lost right now. You know that the conflict is that Maya is lesbian?

I think you take things way too seriously. Gay narrative and people being angry... I guess I missed a lot.

True, the conflict is about Maya's sexuality, but I still think that's stupid. This is a college full of liberal minded people not Saudi Arabia. I mean most of the girls in the story pretty much fuck with anything that moves so I don't really see who would actually judge Maya just for that. It's more like due to her upbringing she is the one making judgements about others calling the hots sluts (well she's not wrong) while still trying to join them and to be honest she is lowkey envious of them as they can be true to themselves.

It's a porn game and as a main LI there is no way she could "stay" lesbian. That's really a no brainer.

 

[The Pink Royce]

Well dont trust me. I know i am right, i know they were talking serious. You think there are not homophobics? or that they dont masturbate?
And for sure is not the first time that a story with a progressive agenda fails and is face against a huge backlash. We have seen it once and again and again lately. Everyone were happy when DPC was making fun of feminist and gays but once he starts to put gay narrative on the menu suddenly some people start to become angry? What a surprise.
Of all the girls in the story the lesbian feminist is the most hated? What a surprise.
Also is clear that the story has "failed" with Maya. That's evident. She is a porn character, her main goal is todirectly please the player. And yet she is the less like it? Politics felice. We reach a point in wich people is no longer able to enjoy porn if it cames with a very naive political messege.

Of course they lied. A justified lied in the context of the story, that's the point. You will not openly say that you are gay in Arabia Saudita for example. And noone can blame you if you want to keep being alive.
Man we should not being argueing this couse it was explicit on the end of episode 7.

Ok about Chad kissing of the gym, that was stupid. It is a classic stupidity from comedy narrative.
You are exagereting, she didnt kick her out of her live and by that point she didn't had any option. Thats the point, she lacks power. That's the main trait of a victim. She doesnt have options. Well yeah, she could loose her scolarship and see how everyone around her get a degree a while she clean floors for a minimum wage to pay a loan she couldnt even use. Or she could talk with her father and since we know that fanatics are reasonable people he would understand her. Honestely you cant blame her for lying to her father.

I am sorry but i am lost right now. You know that the conflict is that Maya is lesbian?

personally i hate Sarah . not only she's not as hot as she think she is she wants me to pay for sex ?
bitch you paying me ! think id have sex with Arieth before i had sex with sarah imo

 

[felicemastronzo]

Well dont trust me. I know i am right, i know they were talking serious. You think there are not homophobics? or that they dont masturbate?
And for sure is not the first time that a story with a progressive agenda fails and is face against a huge backlash. We have seen it once and again and again lately. Everyone were happy when DPC was making fun of feminist and gays but once he starts to put gay narrative on the menu suddenly some people start to become angry? What a surprise.
Of all the girls in the story the lesbian feminist is the most hated? What a surprise.
Also is clear that the story has "failed" with Maya. That's evident. She is a porn character, her main goal is todirectly please the player. And yet she is the less like it? Politics felice. We reach a point in wich people is no longer able to enjoy porn if it cames with a very naive political messege.

Of course they lied. A justified lied in the context of the story, that's the point. You will not openly say that you are gay in Arabia Saudita for example. And noone can blame you if you want to keep being alive.
Man we should not being argueing this couse it was explicit on the end of episode 7.

Ok about Chad kissing of the gym, that was stupid. It is a classic stupidity from comedy narrative.
You are exagereting, she didnt kick her out of her live and by that point she didn't had any option. Thats the point, she lacks power. That's the main trait of a victim. She doesnt have options. Well yeah, she could loose her scolarship and see how everyone around her get a degree a while she clean floors for a minimum wage to pay a loan she couldnt even use. Or she could talk with her father and since we know that fanatics are reasonable people he would understand her. Honestely you cant blame her for lying to her father.

I am sorry but i am lost right now. You know that the conflict is that Maya is lesbian?

I think you are wrong to read everything through the lens of Maya's homosexuality.

Maya is "hated" because she lied to MC even after he came out to her, and they weren't in saudi arabia but in their room. she used him to stay in Quinn's good graces. and in case the player was interested in Josy she became an insurmountable obstacle to having her soon after.

did she have her reasons for behaving this way? yes, but in the same way the rest of the world has reasons not to forgive her, forgiveness is never an obligation.

But these are not things that I say, these are things that Maya says when she asks him to give her another chance after she has wasted all the ones he has already given her, when she says that although he met her in her worst moment, he has remained close to her.

To think that she should be forgiven just because she is a lesbian seems to me as wrong as the opposite.

to say that she hunts Josy is exaggerated? ok, that she pushes her away for the umpteenth time is ok? that she blames her for going to the HOTs digging a ditch between the two?
Josy, who is also a lesbian like Maya, thinks that Maya has given up.

even this story that never has an alternative is not true, Maya runs into dead ends

she trusts her father after he prevented her from seeing her girlfriend and insulted her all her life for who she is. what did he have to do to prove himself untrustworthy? torture kittens in the living room dressed as a Nazi hierarch?

she doesn't like HOTs, she doesn't trust Quinn, but she thinks she's going to get a lot of money for going on a scavenger hunt....

she knows her dad has a key to her apartment and plays it cool for weeks....

just unlucky...

 

[Machete]

Oh, com'on! Chad being in a relationship with another man was painful evident from the very first episodes. Making excuses not to have sex with Sage, not caring the least of her, being mysterious about his other relationship, in a campus where everyone bang anything and cheat all the time. It was pretty obvious.

 

[Hermith]

personally i hate Sarah . not only she's not as hot as she think she is she wants me to pay for sex ?
bitch you paying me ! think id have sex with Arieth before i had sex with sarah imo

Exactly my thoughts. Sarah is not as hot as she think she is, also for some reason I never liked her or Mel.

 

[Machete]

think id have sex with Arieth before i had sex with sarah imo

Right! Why no sex with Arieth? There's some of that anti-crabs leftovers in the bathroom. She seems a fun fuck.

 

[Hermith]

Oh, com'on! Chad being in a relationship with another man was painful evident from the very first episodes. Making excuses not to have sex with Sage, not caring the least of her, being mysterious about his other relationship, in a campus where everyone bang anything and cheat all the time. It was pretty obvious.

I'm not sure about the painfully evident part. I for one thought that it has something to do with steroids and erectile dysfunction, he was just ashamed and that's why he tried to stay away from Sage.

 

[The Pink Royce]

Right! Why no sex with Arieth? There's some of that anti-crabs leftovers in the bathroom. She seems a fun fuck.

Well i took some vitamins from Dali and now i subscribed to theory that Arieth is MCs sister .

about there being any anti-crab leftovers ... yea im not so sure .

 

[Machete]

Maybe it was me, but the homosexual twist was the first thing that came to my mind when Sage introduced the suspected affair and Chad's distance for her.

 

[Machete]

Arieth as MC's secret sister? I should check this theory We should be carefull with those theories. If DrPinkCake is anything like the DM of my DnD party he might note down player's weirdest hipotesys and make them real later.

 

[Kukipett]

Hey everybody,

Is there any official information or clue from DPC that this game will not end like Acting Lesson?
Asking for a friend that don't want to cry (at least not in the PTSD style)

I guess your friend also asks you to buy condoms and viagra, this is a very common friend you know!!

 

[Machete]

IMHO it BaDIK is not going in such a dramatic direction as AL. Sure it's building up drama but i guess the worst we could expect is a part ways ending. Almost every LI in the story is older then MC and ready to leave college to start a life, while MC is at the beginning. The two girls with the same age could just end up opting to just be together.

A possible ending might be MC beginning a fresh second year and many key character just moving on with their lives.

I mean, how many people meet the partner of their lives when 18y old? Unlikely.

 

[Josus Joestar]

I wasn't given my thought when I showed a sex vid with Jade that much back in episode 3. And yep, it's backfired me lol.

I'm currently playing ep.7 btw it takes me a while, and I'm still giving a thought about playing in the different routes too. But if there is any route that I get to punching Tyballs as much as I want, I'll take it.

 

[Kukipett]

I think you are wrong to read everything through the lens of Maya's homosexuality.

Maya is "hated" because she lied to MC even after he came out to her, and they weren't in saudi arabia but in their room. she used him to stay in Quinn's good graces. and in case the player was interested in Josy she became an insurmountable obstacle to having her soon after.

did she have her reasons for behaving this way? yes, but in the same way the rest of the world has reasons not to forgive her, forgiveness is never an obligation.

But these are not things that I say, these are things that Maya says when she asks him to give her another chance after she has wasted all the ones he has already given her, when she says that although he met her in her worst moment, he has remained close to her.

To think that she should be forgiven just because she is a lesbian seems to me as wrong as the opposite.

to say that she hunts Josy is exaggerated? ok, that she pushes her away for the umpteenth time is ok? that she blames her for going to the HOTs digging a ditch between the two?
Josy, who is also a lesbian like Maya, thinks that Maya has given up.

even this story that never has an alternative is not true, Maya runs into dead ends

she trusts her father after he prevented her from seeing her girlfriend and insulted her all her life for who she is. what did he have to do to prove himself untrustworthy? torture kittens in the living room dressed as a Nazi hierarch?

she doesn't like HOTs, she doesn't trust Quinn, but she thinks she's going to get a lot of money for going on a scavenger hunt....

she knows her dad has a key to her apartment and plays it cool for weeks....

just unlucky...

The more i play this game (4 full playthrough selecting each time another girl) the more characters like Maya and Josy seem to get non existent !
Players are all ower them just because it's the two first girls we encounter, they are pretty and funny but if you really think about them, who are they ?
They are both from middle class family with some problems, Josy doesn't like her step mom and her step bro and Maya has a religious father with a closed mind.
They have a lesbian relationship without much passion that can break anytime, they have no particulary interest in life, they are just pretty girls who want to have fun.
Maya seem to have no clue about real life problems and Josy don't care much really, she just want to be a HOT, my god what an accomplishment!
I have no hate for them, they are just boring, the kind of girl you say hello and fuck on a couch during a party when they are drunk that's all.

 

[Heycock]

I think you take things way too seriously. Gay narrative and people being angry... I guess I missed a lot.

True, the conflict is about Maya's sexuality, but I still think that's stupid. This is a college full of liberal minded people not Saudi Arabia. I mean most of the girls in the story pretty much fuck with anything that moves so I don't really see who would actually judge Maya just for that. It's more like due to her upbringing she is the one making judgements about others calling the hots sluts (well she's not wrong) while still trying to join them and to be honest she is lowkey envious of them as they can be true to themselves.

It's a porn game and as a main LI there is no way she could "stay" lesbian. That's really a no brainer.

Then i am sorry Hermith, couse gay narrative here is as clear as the blue sky for me.
Yes, but Maya's conflict its with her father. Yes, his father is not a middle eastern sovereign nation but it's still had some power over her daughter, that's why it is an analogy.
About the college. Welll, Maya lies to the MC (not the college) because she doesn't feel confortable telling people she doesnt know something that has bring her the hard disaproval of her own family. I don't see why this is stupid. I lie to my family for way less than Maya. Also most of the people i know.

I think you are wrong to read everything through the lens of Maya's homosexuality.

Maya is "hated" because she lied to MC even after he came out to her, and they weren't in saudi arabia but in their room. she used him to stay in Quinn's good graces. and in case the player was interested in Josy she became an insurmountable obstacle to having her soon after.

did she have her reasons for behaving this way? yes, but in the same way the rest of the world has reasons not to forgive her, forgiveness is never an obligation.

But these are not things that I say, these are things that Maya says when she asks him to give her another chance after she has wasted all the ones he has already given her, when she says that although he met her in her worst moment, he has remained close to her.

To think that she should be forgiven just because she is a lesbian seems to me as wrong as the opposite.

to say that she hunts Josy is exaggerated? ok, that she pushes her away for the umpteenth time is ok? that she blames her for going to the HOTs digging a ditch between the two?
Josy, who is also a lesbian like Maya, thinks that Maya has given up.

even this story that never has an alternative is not true, Maya runs into dead ends

she trusts her father after he prevented her from seeing her girlfriend and insulted her all her life for who she is. what did he have to do to prove himself untrustworthy? torture kittens in the living room dressed as a Nazi hierarch?

she doesn't like HOTs, she doesn't trust Quinn, but she thinks she's going to get a lot of money for going on a scavenger hunt....

she knows her dad has a key to her apartment and plays it cool for weeks....

just unlucky...

Why Maya is being hated is terrain for speculation. First couse there are different people who hate her, second, couse as someone told me "Dont believe everything people said on the internet". You dont agree, ok then, we disagree. To the purpose of the original point is irrelevant.

Noone has the obligation to clarify people who almoast dont know what their sexual orientation is. Therefore i am sorry but i dont see reasons to reproach her that she said "boyfriend" or "girlfriend". Is a private matter and everyone should respect that privacy in Saudi Arabia or watever place you choose. There is nothing to forgive.
About your others claims against them, i also disagree but they are not on the topic of the argument.

I never said that you should forgive her couse she is a lesbian. I said when the crime is not a legit one the lie it is. If you are a lesbian and dont want to tell people that couse the backlash you are going to suffer for being a lesbian, then it is legit to lie. I cannot make myself more clear about this.

"that she pushes her away for the umpteenth time is ok?"
That depends on the reason, as always. Thats why the MC, Josy and Maya, all of them thought it was the best move. Because it clearly is.

"she trusts her father after he prevented her from seeing her girlfriend and insulted her all her life for who she is. what did he have to do to prove himself untrustworthy?"

We already argued this and the things that came, we disagree. Also i dont see how it is relevan to the point.