VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Kellermann]

Money that MC has in his pockets, Mansion funds, and his inheritance are all separate. They don't correlate with each other, and are unconnected for gameplay reasons.

Yes, a much better stated version of my post's main point. Game money is whacky, game uni start dates are whacky. Let's just suspend our disbelief so we can all get that juicy Halloween party.

 

[Orrangutang]

Those 3 having academic schedules clearly shown to be outliers. I went through 27 states selecting without bias and lo and behold...

Guess I need to pick up where I left off as you are surprisingly stubborn, I even expanded my scope nephew. You now have sample data for all 50 states if you concatenate this list with the previous.

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Run me receipts instead of excuses, I think i've done more than enough work to prove my point.

and so the original intention of this doesn't get lost in the sauce; if you're building a timeline for BaD it needs to start mid/late August as the overwhelming majority of US colleges start at that time.

Thank you for attending my Ted talk.

Thanks for wasting your time. Your post accomplished nothing other than showing you lack basic reading comprehension.

 

[Heycock]

Because y'all were wondering...

Here's something I've been keeping up for a couple of episodes now.

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The biggest unknown is how long the time skip is. At it's shortest, you're looking at 3 days - Wednesday to Friday. If you want to stretch it, the next possible increment would be 10 days - Wednesday to the next Friday. Choose for yourself, but I'm sticking with what I have.

Spoiler: Do the math

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Nice, if you dont mind i am going to use the graphic.

 

[OFT]

Nice, if you dont mind i am going to use the graphic.

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That is what you meant, right?

 

[goldenrule91]

WTF is this talk about Sage becoming a CHICK LI? What did I miss?
Did she recently start responding positively to CHICK actions?
Or her sudden "shift" in character gave people the impression she's leaning towards the CHICK side now? Why? Because she's finally taking her responsibilities more seriously?

I can kind of see where they're coming from. Sage starts off as a DIK LI because you gain points and unlock scenes with her by being a DIK. But in the later episodes, CHICK MC's can still hook up with Sage and apparently being a CHICK with Sage has a better progression of their relationship. This is because, no matter whether you're CHICK or DIK, the MC basically pussies out with Sage and cries about being her rebound guy, which makes no sense if you're a massive DIK who is customer of the year at Quinn's restaurant (like mine). So it's not really Sage's shift in personality, I can still see her lean heavily towards DIKs for personality and big DIK energy, it's the fact that so far anyone can get on her path and by some accounts the CHICK way of doing so is more rewarding.

Personally, and this is just me, I'd be fine with Sage becoming a neutral girl and Quinn, Lily and Nicole being DIK girls They fit the spirit of being a DIK much more than Sage does right now imo.

 

[hablat]

Personally, and this is just me, I'd be fine with Sage becoming a neutral girl and Quinn, Lily and Nicole being DIK girls

I don't know that Nicole being a DIK path makes a lot of sense, either. She's older and has a kid. Sure, she's a stripper as a job, but I doubt she wants that same wild energy all the time.

DIK makes sense more for hookups, but any relationship transitioning into becoming serious CHICK options seem like a better idea. It's kind of why the affinity system falls apart a bit, imo. But it is what it is. It's a game.

That aside, Nicole having any path would be good.

 

[goldenrule91]

I don't know that Nicole being a DIK path makes a lot of sense, either. She's older and has a kid. Sure, she's a stripper as a job, but I doubt she wants that same wild energy all the time.

DIK makes sense more for hookups, but any relationship transitioning into becoming serious CHICK options seem like a better idea. It's kind of why the affinity system falls apart a bit, imo. But it is what it is. It's a game.

That aside, Nicole having any path would be good.

I definitely agree that the affinity system is falling apart and has been for a while. DPC will probably depreciate it once the LI paths are locked so he can focus on the girls without having to make a bunch of extra variables that don't amount to much actual content.

As for Nicole specifically, she's a tough nut to crack on the affinity scale. I'd argue that she's more on the DIK side naturally, because of her job and the fact she's hooking up with college kids on Swyper and at bars for threesomes That being said, the initial conversation you have with Nicole on Swyper indicates that her private and work life are separate, so the relationship could lean more CHICK once (or if) it actually starts. I can definitely see someone with a kid not wanting the DIK lifestyle constantly but who knows, so far she seems plenty down for whatever is being thrown at her

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I definitely agree that the affinity system is falling apart and has been for a while. DPC will probably depreciate it once the LI paths are locked so he can focus on the girls without having to make a bunch of extra variables that don't amount to much actual content.

As for Nicole specifically, she's a tough nut to crack on the affinity scale. I'd argue that she's more on the DIK side naturally, because of her job and the fact she's hooking up with college kids on Swyper and at bars for threesomes That being said, the initial conversation you have with Nicole on Swyper indicates that her private and work life are separate, so the relationship could lean more CHICK once (or if) it actually starts. I can definitely see someone with a kid not wanting the DIK lifestyle constantly but who knows, so far she seems plenty down for whatever is being thrown at her

I really hope Nicole is an option for the end. Maybe not as a major LI, but she's a great character that deserves some options. I agree that the two dimensional affinity scale is always limiting. I get it, you can't have an affinity scale that it so complex that you can't manage it, but then you get these weird situations where it's all or nothing. I play a character that is mostly neutral, but leans DIK and I'm afraid all that has done is close doors. It would make sense if Nicole was someone that falls in that area given her character and situation.

 

[Melimelo]

With all the choices already made, we are already nearly locked DIK or CHICK, or basically neutral with mild eather side affinity.
Soon all the decisive choices will be decided by our former ones and the affinity thing will have shaped our char one of these 3 possibility.
I don't think we'll have much more decisive choice. This system is just a way to determine our char personality and the job is nearly done already, I see it more as the morality system in RPG but gradually implemented by our choices instead of being decided at trhe begining.

 

[Lightaces]

Then you miss the whole Absinth "experience"
Don't know if they changed the formula to get a wider market but the original is just too much to handle.

Turns out, not true. There was never enough wormwood in Absinthe to cause hallucinations, or any other health problems. Back in the day, there were contamination problems (lead, mercury, etc.), but that's it. Any hallucinations from modern Absinthe are purely from alcohol and the placebo effect, even when it does have wormwood.

Maybe the MC should become a chemist, and then he could work with Quinn to expand her empire (SEE, it's on topic!!!)

 

[goldenrule91]

I really hope Nicole is an option for the end. Maybe not as a major LI, but she's a great character that deserves some options. I agree that the two dimensional affinity scale is always limiting. I get it, you can't have an affinity scale that it so complex that you can't manage it, but then you get these weird situations where it's all or nothing. I play a character that is mostly neutral, but leans DIK and I'm afraid all that has done is close doors. It would make sense if Nicole was someone that falls in that area given her character and situation.

Yeah that's always the problem with having a linear scale -- whether it be Good/Evil, Law/Chaos, DIK/CHICK -- is that it's necessarily boxing you into a set of actions or reactions that are predictable. But the moment you diverge from that scale for the sake of story or character growth, like a DIK character confronting Sage about being her rebound guy, no matter how reasonable that is, it can and will cause confusion and criticism regardless of the merit of the interaction simply because players expect their choices to matter. This is why, if I were ever to make a game, I'd never put a system like this into it because it creates expectations and anxieties in players that they will be locked out of content they want for completely arbitrary reasons.

Here's the direct quote from the official season 1 walkthrough by DPC about what DIK points represent:

"In general, nicer/calmer/more mature actions remove DIK points and meaner/edgier/impulsive actions add DIK points."

In general, being a Massive DIK means you're mean/edgy/impulsive. That's a wide array of behaviors, as there's a big difference between being mean as opposed to being edgy as opposed to be impulsive. But still, it's not wide enough to actually allow for believable reactions to real situations. That's why you have these jarring moments in the game, like a DIK MC crying about Maya and Josy lying to him about their relationship when he should be trying to score the threesome right away, or crying about being Sage's rebound guy when by all accounts he should be much more confident and less insecure about that. Then, on the other end, when the scale is working as intended, all it's really doing is locking you out of content you might enjoy and giving you access to content you might not. For example, giving DIKs access to Madame for working at the Pink Rose is something I'm not interested in, and locking Bella's 69 option which I am interested in behind a CHICK check for no reason.

What is it about being meaner/edgier/impulsive that means I can't go down on Bella? Only the fact that she's a CHICK LI -- but is that even true, because you can romance her perfectly fine as a DIK, just like you can romance Sage perfectly fine as a CHICK. It don't make no sense, so I definitely share the fear that future content I'm interested in will be arbitrarily locked behind my affinity score for no good reason.

Anyway thanks for coming to my TED talk

 

[Huyết Tộc]

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[Heycock]

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That is what you meant, right?

I am a nerd, but not that much. This is was what i meant.
Blue points: Every time a chick MC had sex (Jill, Bella, Josy, Maya).
Red points: Every time a dik MC had sex (everyone else).
Black points: Every time the MC got into a fight (sparring with Sage, and bullyng Tybault included)
Half yellow points: some form of threesome.
I considered sex anything since handjobs. Dreams and Jillyng ot included.

 

[Deleted member 1784858]

I don’t remember that shit about not taking a picture because of trophies… what was that all about?

Cathy’s panties were obvious at the time, as soon as she took them off I was like, “You’re gonna leave them in the car aren’t you…”, so my proactive MC threw them in the bin before returning the car.

I don’t think there’s anyone here who appreciates DPC’s complete and utter lack of ability in navigating rooms. I wonder how he manages in his own home. I get the impression he walks around backwards a lot.

If you didn’t enjoy the mild drama of this game, I suggest you steer clear of the developers older game, Acting Lessons, PTSD was shared by all.

in chapter 7 there is a scene with Riona and Camilla. I'm guessing you have to not pay them for it to happen... but after the deed MC looks at them admiring what he had done and they brazenly joke that MC is going to brag about it and he retorts that woman aren't trophies. like, if you wanted to give them a rimjob why didn't you do it earlier when you had the chance? to me this whole scene was unnessesary and just on it's face stupid for what it was. i have no problem with drama, life is drama and emotions are what give it meaning, it's the authors incessant need to paint the lilies that pisses me off.

as for the cliche finding of underwear in ones car, i am not upset that i got 'caught' if that's what you want to call it, i'm upset that in an act of desperation Isabella used them as an excuse to throw MC under the bus. i could feel it in my bones before it happened and was powerless to stop it. this sort of thing usually prompts a serious conversation wherein lines are drawn, but no MC just lets her denigrate him then slinks away. like, wow.

 

[shazba]

With all the choices already made, we are already nearly locked DIK or CHICK, or basically neutral with mild eather side affinity.
Soon all the decisive choices will be decided by our former ones and the affinity thing will have shaped our char one of these 3 possibility.
I don't think we'll have much more decisive choice. This system is just a way to determine our char personality and the job is nearly done already, I see it more as the morality system in RPG but gradually implemented by our choices instead of being decided at trhe begining.

Yeah that's always the problem with having a linear scale -- whether it be Good/Evil, Law/Chaos, DIK/CHICK -- is that it's necessarily boxing you into a set of actions or reactions that are predictable. But the moment you diverge from that scale for the sake of story or character growth, like a DIK character confronting Sage about being her rebound guy, no matter how reasonable that is, it can and will cause confusion and criticism regardless of the merit of the interaction simply because players expect their choices to matter. This is why, if I were ever to make a game, I'd never put a system like this into it because it creates expectations and anxieties in players that they will be locked out of content they want for completely arbitrary reasons.

Here's the direct quote from the official season 1 walkthrough by DPC about what DIK points represent:

"In general, nicer/calmer/more mature actions remove DIK points and meaner/edgier/impulsive actions add DIK points."

In general, being a Massive DIK means you're mean/edgy/impulsive. That's a wide array of behaviors, as there's a big difference between being mean as opposed to being edgy as opposed to be impulsive. But still, it's not wide enough to actually allow for believable reactions to real situations. That's why you have these jarring moments in the game, like a DIK MC crying about Maya and Josy lying to him about their relationship when he should be trying to score the threesome right away, or crying about being Sage's rebound guy when by all accounts he should be much more confident and less insecure about that. Then, on the other end, when the scale is working as intended, all it's really doing is locking you out of content you might enjoy and giving you access to content you might not. For example, giving DIKs access to Madame for working at the Pink Rose is something I'm not interested in, and locking Bella's 69 option which I am interested in behind a CHICK check for no reason.

What is it about being meaner/edgier/impulsive that means I can't go down on Bella? Only the fact that she's a CHICK LI -- but is that even true, because you can romance her perfectly fine as a DIK, just like you can romance Sage perfectly fine as a CHICK. It don't make no sense, so I definitely share the fear that future content I'm interested in will be arbitrarily locked behind my affinity score for no good reason.

Anyway thanks for coming to my TED talk

I think the system works fine.

As well as choices (like as a total DIK you can choose to push Chad in the cafeteria, check out Sage’s g-string in the college hallway, push your lunch to fuck Envy’s ass in the private room, hop in the hot tub with Mel, Sarah and Heather, invite the girls into the shower at the HOTs, just to name a few scenes), it also changes the mc’s tone in heaps of conversations.

Your choices let you play as a character who is either aloof and disrespectful, or as a sincere, thoughtful guy.

It could have been a startup option (choose whether you want to be a “tough guy” or a “metrosexual”), but this way it’s a bit more dynamic.

Is it perfect? Nope. Can it be? Nope. But it’s novel, and I like it.

Sure, you don’t get to have a fulfilling relationship with Jill if you’re a DIK, and Quinn isn’t gonna take you seriously if you’re a Chick, but the game has great replayability, so just replay it and change your choices.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Who else feels like midterms are coming too fast? Anyone?

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[Skjall]

A quick google search of "academic year in Sweden" reveals, that it starts early September.
If DPC used his own country's usual start date, it makes sense that a month passed in-game and we're at October now, since the talk about preparing Helloween party.

 

[PashafromRussia]

A lot of images from the rooster dedicated to midterm exams. Either we are waiting for a new mini-game or mechanics dedicated to passing exams, or most of it will be devoted to studying. I wonder how we can pass the gender studies exam Jade?

 

[felicemastronzo]

A lot of images from the rooster dedicated to midterm exams. Either we are waiting for a new mini-game or mechanics dedicated to passing exams, or most of it will be devoted to studying. I wonder how we can pass the gender studies exam Jade?

What i am waiting for....

 

[DirtyMario]

A lot of images from the rooster dedicated to midterm exams. Either we are waiting for a new mini-game or mechanics dedicated to passing exams, or most of it will be devoted to studying. I wonder how we can pass the gender studies exam Jade?

We should kind of be through already since we studied her gender extensively