hakuna-matata

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Last week was he "final status update". Do you think there's a chance he may post today saying he started testing?
 

znar25

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A lot of the people come for the porn, but stay for the story. Thats what makes it so good, DPC, the creator, has invested to make this game as good as he can, and he has. The story is just so good. And his other game, Acting Lessons, was also really good. I would give them both a chance, and it doesnt matter which order you play the games in.
Being new to VNs (earlier this year) , I was stunned with Acting Lessons, late to the party here (about June ) and when I noted the author did Acting Lessons, I knew it was going to be impressive story-telling.
 
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always86

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You can't really "back up" an opinion. If someone's opinion is that BaD is the greatest game that ever was then no amount of contrary discussion is going to convince them otherwise. People enjoy different things. Some people worship the ground DPC walks on, others not so much. People like what they like. Someone liking or not liking BaD doesn't invalidate anyone else's personal opinion.
I disagree, I think you should be able to back up your opinions, if not why are they your opinions? I guess there is a difference between personal opinion and evidence Based opinion. While I think you’re right that fanboyish ‘greatest game ever’ types aren’t likely to change their minds based on someone else’s opinion, if you can back up what your saying rational people (which is the majority here) will listen.

I’ll give you an example, I think DPC has some of the best artwork out there, but he does have a bad habit of overmorphing his models face’s. Examples ranging from Josy, who can look odd from certain angles, to Jill who looks terrible with certain facial poses to Cathy who looks like an alien. I can show artwork that backs this up, however if on a personal level you find aliens hot, that’s not something you can be convinced to change your mind on.

Writing is similar, I think for the western porn visual novel genre DPC is up there with the best. I think it is undeniable that the complexity of the the choice based consequence system is beyond anything anyone else has produced. The quality of the prose is good, but again if someone wants to challenge that they can. However if they do they need to give examples of all the better games. People can’t do this in significant enough numbers to relegate DPC to average let alone bad. However when it comes to genre, that’s just a matter of personal preference, don’t like college comedy/ melodrama? Well then of course you’re going to hold BADIK in lower regard than a genre you do like.

As for mechanics, again there are two ways to look at this. How are they implemented and do you enjoy them. For example I think they are all well implemented. Are they all fun? No. For example I think the classes are a mixed bag, English is annoying since some of the words aren’t words, maths is fun if you like problem solving, and Women’s studies sucks because I have a terrible short term memory. I think tennis is fun and take what in other games would be a couple of images one after the other and makes it something unique. Then you have the house repair mini game. I love this, I love micro management strategy stuff, but if you hate that, that‘s an opinion unlikely change through debate.

My point really is if you want to critique something, you should be able to justify that criticism. In a lot of ways this should actually be easy for people since it’s easier to criticise than it is to praise.
 

Olaf12

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In short: it is basically the only game on here where characters feel like actual people with their own personalities. It's a bit tropey, but nothing is pure cliché. The writing is very high quality, both on a basic level (no dogshit spelling and grammar errors, characters sound like real humans and not like aliens or sentient robots), it's genuinely funny, and it looks good. Probably will be the best all-round full package adult game ever made when it's finished, and it kinda already is, since it's not really lacking in any department, and is beating most other games in every department.
Excellent summary. That's how it is. Non-stock characters, good not ludicrous plot - a story we can all believe.
Yet, about some plot twists: I would have changed that reaction of MC for arrived Josy - I wouldn't run away, I would try settle it right there with words. And again: it's too many sex scenes. IMHO, it should be like cherry on top, a reward for correct treatment of girls . Now lots of such scenes only devalues our emotions, we could feel.
 

always86

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Excellent summary. That's how it is. Non-stock characters, good not ludicrous plot - a story we can all believe.
Yet, about some plot twists: I would have changed that reaction of MC for arrived Josy - I wouldn't run away, I would try settle it right there with words. And again: it's too many sex scenes. IMHO, it should be like cherry on top, a reward for correct treatment of girls . Now lots of such scenes only devalues our emotions, we could feel.
I disagree a bit on the sex scenes. There a genre of Japanese visual novel where you play 20 hours of story and then get 1 or 2 sex scenes at the end, as you say as the cherry on top. In general I find these games dull. The other side of that is nukikage where it’s fucking one scene after another. These are equally annoying. IMO BADIK reaches a nice balance of plot and contextual sex scenes.

What happened to the scene where like 3 girls gave you a footjob under the table? Cant find it
You get this scene if you pay to fuck Sarah at the DIK party. I think you have to of done the Camilla and Riona glory hole scenes first then you can pay for it. It happens after the scene where you drink the shots off Sarah’s body, you have to call Quinn and pay in advance.
 

Bubba McSmith

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Excellent summary. That's how it is. Non-stock characters, good not ludicrous plot - a story we can all believe.
Yet, about some plot twists: I would have changed that reaction of MC for arrived Josy - I wouldn't run away, I would try settle it right there with words. And again: it's too many sex scenes. IMHO, it should be like cherry on top, a reward for correct treatment of girls . Now lots of such scenes only devalues our emotions, we could feel.
I know I would have liked to handle the Maya/Josy situation differently as well, but when this gets brought up it's important to remember we are not directly controlling the MC, but rather guiding him. He's still an emotional teenager, so his response does make sense considering how he's handled himself in other situations. An adult MC probably would have stayed and talked it out, or at least we'd be given the option. Of course I also realize DPC needed an excuse to kick the MC out of Maya's dorm.
 

Olaf12

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I disagree a bit on the sex scenes. There a genre of Japanese visual novel where you play 20 hours of story and then get 1 or 2 sex scenes at the end, as you say as the cherry on top. In general I find these games dull. The other side of that is nukikage where it’s fucking one scene after another. These are equally annoying. IMO BADIK reaches a nice balance of plot and contextual sex scenes.
You wouldn't believe it, I was just thinking about Japanese VN, where you choose to stay at recess at school on diffferent floors -- and the story would go completely different ways ))
 

Kellermann

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If you’re interested in the 5 main girls (Sage, Jill, Josy, Maya and Bella), stick on the Chick path, it seems the optimum for all of them, although not sure what the future holds for Sage (just don’t get Kellermann started :p).
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Perhaps the dark cloud will abate when ep. 8 drops, but I'm much less hopeful and excited at this point than I was on the eve of ep. 7 when I had that "next in line for a roller coaster ride" feeling. When I look at regressed, hand-holding dates with Jill, CHICK Sage, and pussy-licking Madame (along with some wanker who enjoys abusing us with photos of her) I turn sour. I've even been tortured by whispers of those who say there is no Halloween party in ep. 8, but rather it will come in ep. 9. So yes, I'm depressed about what happened with Sage in ep. 7 (after waiting all of ep. 6 for her to recover) and disappointed with the episode overall (my least favourite to date...but still better than most other AVN episodes).

I'm also not looking forward to the season end cliffhanger knowing I'll have another 7+ months for resolution. I do hope that DPC sorts out at least some of the long-standing subplots and mysteries that have been going on since season 1. If those are still left unresolved then that disappointment coupled with no Halloween party would be devastating to the psyche.

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RedBud412

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Sorrry, can't help you there. Maybe try to download the full version instead of compressed?
I originally downloaded the compress version due to space issues. I did delete the compressed and downloaded other version. Unfortunately same results. Only gets to loading screen then crashes. I tried LOL. Thank you for your reply though. I guess I'll wait for it to come out on Steam.
 
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I genuinely think that people are missing out on a great character and a large part of the story by taking Quinn at face value and not delving deeper into her motivations.
I'll take the exact opposite position and say that the people who are "delving deeper into her motivations" are missing out on a large part of the story because they are too busy desperately searching for excuses for Quinn's horrible behaviour. The most common of which is framing her as a sympathetic victim of circumstance because she came from a broken home, which works because the knee-jerk reaction to hearing that someone had a hard childhood is to view them with pity and sympathy.

I view Quinn as a sympathetic figure due to her upbringing, and I contextualize her actions on that basis. You could just as easily view Quinn as a malevolent figure and be just as correct. But I want people to look at both viewpoints on her and decide which they agree with more, not have a knee-jerk reaction to some of things she does and form a shallow view.
Yeah that's the stuff I'm talking about right there.

I don't think Quinn would ever truly betray or hurt Riona, in fact I somehow suspect a lot of things she's doing to keep afloat is connected to protecting Riona from the fallout with the drugs and prostitution. Not to cast Quinn in too much of a benevolent light - obviously Quinn is looking out for number 1, and she does treat Riona like shit, but it's to keep both of them safe, not just herself.
Dude... we've seen her slap Riona across the face, we've seen her tell Riona that she's too stupid to pass college on her own in order to keep whoring her out, and we've seen her ridicule Riona's fears of being stalked when Riona came to her for help. How can you possibly think that Quinn's actions are to protect Riona?

Quinn betrays people who are dumb enough to trust her. That's an ongoing theme in the game, and a core aspect of her character. Quinn betrayed Tommy in order to try to sell drugs to the preps. She betrayed Sage in order to whore out the HOTs and use them as an opportunity to sell drugs. Quinn will tell you that Camilla was the one in the glory hole (if you took that route), even though Camilla only agreed to work for Quinn if she was anonymous. One of the very first things Quinn does in the game is blackmail the MC into stripping naked under threat of screaming for help and calling him a pervert, and when he complies, she not only breaks her word but also pushes him out into the streets naked. She's been betraying people the entire game. Often just for the fun of it, which is something she has flat out told us in the first episode.

Hurting the people she likes in order to control or punish them is another well established aspect of Quinn's character. Quinn tasered the MC in the throat until he passed out, and she will knee him in the balls if he refuses her sexual advances. So her slapping Riona is par for the course. But somehow you are trying to spin things so Quinn striking Riona is an example of Quinn protecting Riona? That's ridiculous. Riona was the one trying to protect Quinn, by telling her not to bring in Maya and Mona. And she was right. Quinn will now be under scrutiny from Sage because of what happened with Maya and Mona, which is going to make things real hard to pay off their drug debt. Which is an even larger problem now that Quinn managed to lose her last pickup.

We don't need to know every single detail of Quinn's life to know what kind of a person she is, because she's already demonstrated that quite well. Quinn is trash. She is the trashiest character since Marjory from Fraggle Rock. Actually... that's unfair to Marjory, as although she was a literal trash heap, she was a kind soul who helped those in need. Quinn is the exact opposite of that, which actually makes her trashier than a talking trash heap. Tommy was worried about Josy joining the HOTs, and Quinn used that as an opportunity to tease him instead of reassuring him by offering to look out for Josy. Maya went to Quinn for help with tuition, and Quinn lied to her and tormented her for her own amusement. And we've already talked about how Quinn takes advantage of Riona's vulnerabilities.

There is no hidden backstory that could possibly justify Quinn's treatment of others in this game. Her personality is very clearly established already. What exactly are you waiting to see? Are you expecting to learn that some supervillain is magically forcing Quinn to treat every character in the game like shit?

Delving deeper into a character requires some sort of evidence from the game that will support you arguments. You can't just say that your interpretations are equally valid because the game isn't over yet so the author could still pull any number of plot twists out of his ass. Imagine that there were two people who see an animal that looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck. One guy says that it's clearly a duck, and the other guy says that we can't be sure because we haven't seen if it swims like a duck yet so there's still a chance that it could be a giraffe. Would you say that those are equally valid interpretations? I wouldn't.
 
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