VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[anonymoussposter]

Uff i did not use idm in a long time so honestly i don't know what features it has now... and what do you mean by limit? You mean like mega limiting 5GB per 24h or something else?

Yes limit like mega has , but you cannot use idm with mega

idm takes over the download process when you are downloading with nopy or mediafire etc.

 

[ename144]

Sadly (for me, happy for you), no way we are getting a harem ending. DPC just doesn't roll that way. One of his favourite things to do is seduce you with candy and then rip it away. Here is university full of all different kinds of woman and you want to at least sample them if not collect them all. At first DPC lets you do it and that's the insidious nature of it. Once you get a taste for it, then he begins to throw in consequences and closes off routes when you have your fingers in too many honey pots whereas in rl no one would care if you sleep around (men or women) at first year university. It's the one time and age you're "supposed" to do it.

I like the replayability...to a point. There are a lot of women in this game and I don't like having to create a new save for every one of them just to see all of the best content and lewds. Especially when you consider how long this game will be and how choices in ep. X can result in unforeseen problems in ep. X + 4. I dread the day I have to start over yet another new game and fast forward through 16 episodes because one little thing I did in ep. 10 fucked me over. It wasn't so bad when there were 4 episodes, but it's becoming a chore to play through some of the less desirable game moments (ex. D&G, english tests, Jill's meth face, rebound guy, Lynette diary mammaries memories, etc.) that you have seen countless times. I gave up. I'm riding out my manwhore save for as long as possible until attrition ultimately claims every girl. I assume at the end I'll be left with only Arieth. She is probably the only one DPC won't have throw a hissy fit when you refuse the exclusivity ultimatum that every girl will eventually throw at you.

To me, the fundamental problem with Harem endings is that the always feel artificial, like the writer just glued all the individual girls' paths together into a single superset. For a harem to really work, each girl's path to the harem would need to feel different than it would to pursue her individually. Even if all the girls have a personality that would accept a harem (already a limiting feature), there's still a big difference between a monogamous relationship and being part of a crowd (even more so if she's involved with some of the other girls, too).

Of course the problem with that is that it vastly increases the amount of work for the dev. It also makes a harem ending feel sort of bittersweet. Everyone can be happy with the new arrangement, but there's always going to be that nagging sense of what might have been if only the MC had picked one girl alone. To me, that's what would make the whole experience worthwhile. But I suspect it wouldn't sit well with others who just want the happily ever after in a very large bed ending.

As for the problems of replayability, I see your point but I don't think I can agree. I've played a lot of these games with branching content, but I don't always have much desire to every branch. Heavy Five, for example, has zillions of possible options to explore, but I just lost interest in all of them because despite liking the premise I couldn't get invested invested in the plot or the characters. But in BaDIK, even content I'm not particularly interested in (like Bella) still feels worth seeking out.

I think the idea of branching options is necessary to make our decisions meaningful. Ideally those options should have enough contextual clues to give you some idea of the likely outcomes. I think BaDIK generally succeeds with that - witness the very fact you're pessimistic about getting a harem ending - but in the end that's always going to be a bit subjective.

I can totally understand the frustration of liking some of the game's content while still disliking large portions of its gameplay, but I don't think there's a simple solution. Even the best mods suffer because its trying to fundamentally alter the the core of the game. A mod that lets you swap variable easily is probably the best option; it's a huge time saver for those interested, but I feel like the accessibility is inevitably going to diminish the fun of seeing the different outcomes. A more ambitious mods that try to splice all the disparate paths together strike me as akin to re-cutting "Finding Nemo" into a police procedural: a skilled editor might be able to pull it off, but the end result is still going to be a wildly different experience.

If you respond to an extreme position with an extreme one, you are not doing yourself a good service.

are all sluts at BR? is this really your answer to the fact that Jill has friendship only with a teacher? and that she makes friends on the fly with the only girl (who would also answer to the generic identikit of slut... but in the positive sense) towards whom she knows the only boy she has ever been interested in has feelings?

BADIk is an extremely light story, with no particular clockwork mechanism that makes people cry out for a miracle, where almost every situation is handled according to emotional outbursts that justify any outcome (they all run away for the least believable reasons ..)

but there is only one point on which I don't agree with you at all: the fact that there is this extreme attention to detail, DPC takes great care in creating "verisimilitude" especially in the dialogues, where he tries to take into account everything that happened, but then blatantly ignores certain situations, which would have their own importance, but would complicate his work.

so we have Chad's shoes in Troy's room (how many times did it happen to you to leave your shoes at the house of a girl with whom you had a clandestine relationship? did you come back barefoot?), and at the same time Josy is punished by her parents for having dinner with a boy (if Mc stays it makes sense, otherwise not at all. or do you want to tell me that Josy's beloved father is more bigoted than Maya's father?) and many other intersections that for simplicity DPC has decided simply not to handle

BADIK is an exceptional entertainment, which is light years from the average of the games of this genre (mainly because of the very low average), and probably will also have a positive effect as an example on other productions. but it is a soap opera, a telenovelas, not the Murder on the Orient Express

Hang on, why isn't BaDIK similar to Murder on the Orient Express? I'm a fan of classic murder mysteries, but there are plenty of people who would consider them relatively low brow entertainment. If AVNs ever go mainstream, BaDIK seems like a good candidate to be one of the classics in 40 years time.

As for verisimilitude, that's always going to be a bit subjective. The real world operates largely at random, so it's not like a world without coincidences would feel particularly realistic. It's always going to be incumbent on an author to structure the 'external' events of the story in such a way that they support and reinforce it. That's what makes a story different than just a collection of things that happen, after all.

The art is in making the 'random' events that happen in support the story feel grounded within the story rather than purely at the behest of the author. We can try to come up with objective criteria for that, and they can be helpful in extreme cases: Bella vaporizing Tybalt with her heat ray vision after being dosed with radiation from the unexploded atomic bomb in her locked room, while potentially very satisfying, does seem inconsistent with the world as presented. But for less outlandish cases, in the end it's often going to boil down to two things when a potentially implausible event occurs: do the characters' reactions to it ring true, and are the consequences of that event and/or the various reactions interesting to observe?

On those counts I would say BaDIK has far more successes than failures. There have certainly been failures: I don't like the way the Jill blackmail subplot has been handled; I felt the resolution to the Maya/Josy crisis in Episode 4 did not fit the events that caused the crisis; I don't understand why Sage's fuckbuddy would automatically worry about being a rebound guy after she breaks up. These are problems with the story that do diminish my enjoyment of it. But there are a lot of other parts of the story, and they work far, far better. As a result, on the whole I consider BaDIK a strong net positive.

No one is required to share that opinion, and if the game is much less of a success for you, that's fine.

But I think that's a far cry from saying the game is poorly written or thought out. On the contrary, I see a very well written game. Characters have consistent dialog that does not feel stilted. There are very few grammatical errors (or programming bugs). The concepts and characters of importance are established before they begin driving the plot. Even the outlandish twists are always foreshadowed in retrospect (and sometimes in foresight, as with the Chad/Troy twist).

To the extent that I can make objective judgements about the craftsmanship of this game, I'd have to call it very high. The fact that there are practical limits on player choices, or that some choices combine ancillary outcomes, is not a mark against the game, it's a necessary nod to reality.

 

[FAP369ZONE]

Yes limit like mega has , but you cannot use idm with mega

idm takes over the download process when you are downloading with nopy or mediafire etc.

I might be wrong but as far as i know none of them have such a limit or at least i have never encountered it with the downloads... tbh my net is slow and 20GB would probably take me about 12 hours (aka about 2-3 days real time) to download so i might not even hit whatever limits they (IF) have .

 

[anonymoussposter]

I might be wrong but as far as i know none of them have such a limit or at least i have never encountered it with the downloads... tbh my net is slow and 20GB would probably take me about 12 hours (aka about 2-3 days real time) to download so i might not even hit whatever limits they (IF) have .

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[FAP369ZONE]

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when i ran out of ram memory, its super useful and easy...

Hehehe sry could not resist

 

[ename144]

the point is exactly that

if Mc stays over to "sleep" at Josy's, it makes sense for the parents to punish her, but they do it anyway, even if MC leaves right after dinner, which doesn't make much sense, but Josy MUST be punished, otherwise she would have the phone

Yes, you are correct that Josy is punished even if she isn't caught in bed with the MC. But there are two things to consider here. First, she did still invite someone into the house (and serve him alcohol) without her parent's permission. Second, we know her "dad got to hear an earful about Monica" (which happens in both scenarios).

Given Josy's contentious relationship with her stepmom, I don't think grounding her and confiscating her phone for a couple days is an implausible outcome.

I probably didn't explain myself well...

I mentioned "murder on the orient express," as an example of a very neat plot, like the mechanism of a clock. BADIk is not and does not want to be, and I do not need to see how it will continue, because it is clear that this is not its goal.

the themes it deals with (homosexuality, difficult families) have nothing to do with what i have said

you are the one who gives a strange and negative meaning to the term soap opera, in them everything happens, people die, get sick, change sex, and everything revolves around the sentimental events, which are the pivot of the plot

I'm not sure how you can say that when BaDIK isn't finished yet and there ARE a lot of "clockwork" events at play in BaDIK.

Hell, as much as I dislike the Jill blackmail subplot, structurally it was fairly well set up in the story. Jill sees the MC getting into lots of trouble and doing several stupid things, and knows he has no money or safety net. Tybalt's wealth, pettiness, and animosity to the MC are clearly established. The game even makes a big point about how reckless the MC has been during Hell Week. It makes sense that Jill would agree to humor Tybalt in exchange for him going easy on the MC after he and Derek wreck the mansion.

The glaring flaw isn't that this event came out of nowhere, it's that in the next episode Jill seems surprised by the terms she agreed to and suddenly needs Bella's help. (Well, that and the fact that watching Tybalt bore Jill to tears isn't interesting, but that's what I classified as subjective.) I think the idea was that Jill expected Tybalt to be less persistent and realizes she needs reinforcements, but DPC overplayed the scene, IMHO.

I've been a Quinn fan since day 1. I think you misunderstood what I said. I don't want Quinn to change how she is to everyone else... I could give a fuck if she slaps Riona's whole head off...or forces Maya to leave college...or continues her prostitution ring and selling drugs. I don't care about any of that shit. What I want to happen with her is those walls shes got built up to come down for MC and MC alone. That's it. When I said the softening of her eyes verses how she is in other interactions, note that she was LOOKING AT MC during that scene. That's the shit I dig. I don't care about her interactions with anyone else.

I'd say my feelings on Quinn are well known at this point, so I won't rehash them here.

What I will say is that while I largely agree with your goal, I think you're still getting ahead of where Quinn is. I don't think she's softened to the MC all that much. If she is she could somehow solve her money problems in Episode 8 at the expense of the MC, I think she would do it with minimal hesitation and acceptable levels of regret. And like with Tommy, she would bitterly defend her decision if the MC called her out on it.

To me, that's what Quinn's "redemption" arc will likely be about when we finally get there. She won't become a "good" person. She'll just be willing to let someone like the MC into her life as more than a toy. In short, she'll still be an abrasive jerk who likes to fuck with people, but she'll not longer be a toxic, abrasive jerk who likes to fuck with people.

But that's not going to happen until she hits rock bottom. I don't think she's there yet; I'm not even sure she's all that close. And it would not surprise me if she winds up betraying the MC at least once along the way. So my advice for Quinn fans is to plan for the long haul.

I’ve been in the hospital for two weeks unable to check the thread. Can anybody tell me if beta testing has started? Also any images I’ve missed. Please/Thank You

Yes, beta testing began last week. We're speculating a release somewhere in the 19-26 range if things go well, but that's just a guess. All we know for sure is that DPC *hopes* to release the episode in November but doesn't think that's guaranteed.

 

[Warscared]

Mississippi is worse than Alabama. Marriage age without parental consent is 15.

HEY, NO! WE ALL AGREED ALABAMA WAS THE PLACE TO MAKE FUN SO NOT HITTING THE BREAKS AND DIVERTING THE ATTENTION, ITS ALABAMA IT WAS ALABAMA AND IT WILL FOREVER BE ALABAMA! Got it?

Now, I'm no rocket surgeon, but I'm pretty sure she wasn't punished for having dinner with a boy. The much more probable outcome is that it was because she basically got caught fuckin' in her parents bed.

Which, all things being equal, is not unreasonable.

the point is exactly that
if Mc stays over to "sleep" at Josy's, it makes sense for the parents to punish her, but they do it anyway, even if MC leaves right after dinner, which doesn't make much sense, but Josy MUST be punished, otherwise she would have the phone

actually... she burned the kitchen and she could have burned down the house! thats the real reason she was irresponsable with the responsability of taking care of the house when she decided to cook!

the other option would be her father and Monica tasted her food... let me tell you even ChipLecsap orders from ubereats and he loves Josy!

Yeah but that's the Alabama of Europe.

some cantoons in northern Switzerland let me tell you... but they are germans so it still counts!

Just before this conversation gets deleted.

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Actually that’s Spain. Jesus.

ok someone should nuke Yemen ffs what is wrong with people? also how can it be called age of consent if the consent is being given by the great grandfather? either reexamine the concept or change the defenition to age of consent decided by the family!

 

[Lostanddamned]

Yes, beta testing began last week. We're speculating a release somewhere in the 19-26 range if things go well, but that's just a guess. All we know for sure is that DPC *hopes* to release the episode in November but doesn't think that's guaranteed.

What are the chances of us getting the update next Friday, which is what I'm really hoping for?

 

[Ilhares]

19GB file, no update patch because of what DPC said, and nopy is dead.

Mega would die after 10g... Nopy is dead, all other sites are trash with 6 hour download times for a 1g file. Hopefully someone releases a compressed version fairly quickly

Workupload is good and big files can be split in 2GB parts
Pixeldrain is good and big files can be split in 5GB parts
MediaFire is good and big files can be split in 10GB parts
Letsupload is good and big files can be split in 11GB parts

... and for single file download there are these two...
Gofile is good and has 30GB
FileMail is good and has 50GB

I am disappointed in each and every one of you for consistently overlooking the torrent option. Get one good seed going and everybody will be able to get a taste. My biggest problem is uplink speed. I can download fast, but my local UL is slow, so even getting it piped up to my server would take forever - but if we have a torrent, I could load it up there and just leave it running for the next six months.

What are the chances of us getting the update next Friday, which is what I'm really hoping for?

Extremely slim, but I won't go so far as to call ti impossible. I just think it might be. 19th seems much more reasonable considering when the actual beta period started.

 

[Lightaces]

No not really. US is one of these few countries that would but most western countries are fine with it. it. In germany for example it is pretty normal when a 16 year old dates a 22 year old. They get to introtuced to their parents etc.

Even in the US, it depends on the state.

The real problem is Vatican City, where the age of consent is 12. Not kidding.

 

[Heycock]

LAMO, this stuff isn't Shakespeare man,

Yeahh, that has sense.... a little straw man... but still true..

And art isn't subjective, no serious artist will say this,

Wait... what??

"What we call art is nothing more than the inscription of subjectivity"
Roland Barthes.
And thats just art, couse there is a really large tradition in western philosophy that not only the art but even things like knowledge, or even true is a subjective construction:
"In arts and knowledge, like in facts and action, everything relies on the pure apprehention of the subject"
Friederich Schlegel
Actually i cant find a group of literaty theorists (forget the artists) who think that art is objective (guess you mean it can be understood and build acordint to objective rules) with the exeption of the russian formalists and they didn't had to much succed.

though he was considered lowbrow for his time.

Exactly, you see? how subjective it is?. He was lowbrow in a periferic country and now it's synonimous of geniousness in the whole world, that, right there is pure subjetivity. Shakespeares works are the same, it's the subject of his works what completely change in this 400 years. We are different people.

Quite frankly it's insulting to say that because art is "subjective" DPC and William Shakespeare are potentially literary equals.

Well it'is exactly the oposite.
Noone sayd that, couse DPC and William Shakespeare are not equals for us. And they are not couse one of them has 400 years of scholar tradition behind and the other it's primary goal is to masturbate. They are not the same, but art is subjective.

 

[Lightaces]

Yeah but that's the Alabama of Europe.

European age of consent varies between 14 and 18. But there are also rules about taking advantage of age differences, and other abuses of people under the age of 18.

 

[Deleted member 1784858]

LAMO, this stuff isn't Shakespeare man, though he was considered lowbrow for his time. It's interactive American Pie.

Shakespeare's work stands on its own merits, and has for a long time. Elizabeth I has been dead for a long time too. Him being one of her court favorites, not the only one btw, has little to do with his popularity. You couldn't name another playwright from that time, only him. This is not a product of Early Modern petty court politics.

And art isn't subjective, no serious artist will say this, though no serious artist will spend their time insisting neoclassical realism is the only legitimate form of artistic expression either. Quite frankly it's insulting to say that because art is "subjective" DPC and William Shakespeare are potentially literary equals.

The irony in this isn't lost on me... but I can see reasoning with you is pointless becuase you just made an insane amount of assumptions based off of what I said that are only tangentially related to what I said but don't really have anything to do with what I was trying to tell you. I don't know how anyone could miss the point that badly unless they where trolling. Art IS subjective no amount of fenagling on your part is going to change thatYou do you man.

 

[Lightaces]

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Actually that’s Spain. Jesus.

Old data - Spain is 16 now.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Yes, you are correct that Josy is punished even if she isn't caught in bed with the MC. But there are two things to consider here. First, she did still invite someone into the house (and serve him alcohol) without her parent's permission. Second, we know her "dad got to hear an earful about Monica" (which happens in both scenarios).

Given Josy's contentious relationship with her stepmom, I don't think grounding her and confiscating her phone for a couple days is an implausible outcome.

how is it believable that Josy is punished the same way for two completely different things?

we are even told that her father loves Josy very much, so that he punishes her for having sex in his bed is credible, that he punishes her in the same way for having dinner with someone doesn't make sense to me. the presence of wine changes very little, except for wanting to suddenly turn Josy's father into a faded copy of Maya's one

we are not talking about a 14 year old girl, but about a girl who has worked all summer and who is going to college soon.

at this point I much prefer Warscared 's explanation.... he has punished her for cooking, and if she has made pasta with ketch up it seems to me also little

I'm not sure how you can say that when BaDIK isn't finished yet and there ARE a lot of "clockwork" events at play in BaDIK.

Hell, as much as I dislike the Jill blackmail subplot, structurally it was fairly well set up in the story. Jill sees the MC getting into lots of trouble and doing several stupid things, and knows he has no money or safety net. Tybalt's wealth, pettiness, and animosity to the MC are clearly established. The game even makes a big point about how reckless the MC has been during Hell Week. It makes sense that Jill would agree to humor Tybalt in exchange for him going easy on the MC after he and Derek wreck the mansion.

The glaring flaw isn't that this event came out of nowhere, it's that in the next episode Jill seems surprised by the terms she agreed to and suddenly needs Bella's help. (Well, that and the fact that watching Tybalt bore Jill to tears isn't interesting, but that's what I classified as subjective.) I think the idea was that Jill expected Tybalt to be less persistent and realizes she needs reinforcements, but DPC overplayed the scene, IMHO.

If I'm watching a movie and the first half is a light comedy, I don't expect the second half to become a Nolan movie, it could happen, but statistically I would exclude it.

it has nothing to do with whether i liked it or not. it seems clear to me that the construction of the story told, as a succession of causes and effects, is not the central point of BADIK, the central pivot is the creation of situations with strong emotions, with people crying and running away. this for me is basically a soap opera, if for you this is a definition so degrading was not my intention, teen drama is better? the concept does not change

going back to what I was questioning: I was not referring to the plot itself (in which there are things I like and others that I absolutely do not appreciate), but to a whole series of situations in which the game decides not to take into account, essentially for simplicity, and that's fine, but I do not think you can say that in BADIK every aspect is taken into account, DPC takes into account the choices that serve him

so Cathe, in order to give a blowjob, takes off her panties and leaves them in Bella's car, while Quinn and Mc having sex on the roof remains a private news, even if Jacob saw them and then tells it to all the DIKS, Derek's big mouth included (it's not sure yet, but three whole chapters have passed...)

 

[KekWGgWP]

Even in the US, it depends on the state.

The real problem is Vatican City, where the age of consent is 12. Not kidding.

Wait what?

 

[PashafromRussia]

The influx of neophytes into this game has made the thread explosive! My few cents about the game (if you're interested, of course).
For me, the most important plus of the game is the motivation of the characters. The main problem of all porn games on the site, and BaDIK is primarily a porn game - this is the reason why one of the girls starts sucking or lies down under the hero. In CoBD, the main characters are pursued by the whole city. And it was even more strange to see when the hero fucked with girls when he was on the verge of death and life. You read and think: :"Dude, now is clearly not the time to fuck this lame Asian!" BaDIK has never had such thoughts. I understand why Sage, Josy, HOTs, Maya and others began to fuck with him.

hile Quinn and Mc having sex on the roof remains a private news, even if Jacob saw them and then tells it to all the DIKS, Derek's big mouth included (it's not sure yet, but three whole chapters have passed...)

Someday the news about the adventures will become known. Jill finds out that MС is fucking other girls, Josy gets jealous when she finds out that MC is dating Jill. At some point, Sage finds out that MC is fucking Quinn and she gets jealous (I really hope so), and Maya finds out that MC is fucking Josy behind her back. Shit should explode. It's too early to draw conclusions.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Someday the news about the adventures will become known. Jill finds out that MС is fucking other girls, Josy gets jealous when she finds out that MC is dating Jill. At some point, Sage finds out that MC is fucking Quinn and she gets jealous (I really hope so), and Maya finds out that MC is fucking Josy behind her back. Shit should explode. It's too early to draw conclusions.

in that situation, the problem is if Maya knew about it, not Sage, who would have very little to say for that episode (it's Sage who tells MC how much Quinn likes him...)

instead Maya and Josy, who a few hours later might have accepted Mc's offer, I don't think they would be enthusiastic about it.

 

[mightybored]

Wait what?

It's because no one is actually born there, so there's no need to update the law.

 

[Lostanddamned]

I am disappointed in each and every one of you for consistently overlooking the torrent option. Get one good seed going and everybody will be able to get a taste. My biggest problem is uplink speed. I can download fast, but my local UL is slow, so even getting it piped up to my server would take forever - but if we have a torrent, I could load it up there and just leave it running for the next six months.
Extremely slim, but I won't go so far as to call ti impossible. I just think it might be. 19th seems much more reasonable considering when the actual beta period started.

Doesn't beta testing last somewhere between 7-9 days though? The problem is DPC didn't mention when exactly it started. So if we assume it started on Monday, we might just get the update next week. But he still has to announce the release dates and he usually does that on a Friday, so the 19th really is the possible release date, if there aren't any major problems during the testing.