At the end of the day it's down to personal preference, if given the choice between big and thicc or small(er) and petite I would always go for the latter, but that's just me. And I feel someone like Jill should maybe not look as much like a bombshell. Of course Jill's character always works in her favor and it's virtually impossible not to like her.
You hear that, boys?
Bella looks as though she is contemplating very seriously why she didnt get that breast reduction years ago so her back wasnt in constant pain.....
Oh dude it's not exactly slaps. I mean a little bit sure, but slapping for fucking plot lines, not dialogue nor characters. That's something he does well, that's something that he does well. It's what makes the game worth. He's written engaging characters that you absolutely love. And unlike so many I love all 5 of the LI's, and a number of the side chicks too. The problem is that his plot is straight out of a fucking soap opera. But unlike a soap opera, he has managed to make engaging characters and good dialogue that make it worth going through the shitty soap opera plot. What I was telling you is that there are games that do just as good of dialogue and characters but with way better plots.
What you say is more or less true but I feel that all of what you say can be easily explained by Jill's insecurity, she's also not the most mature person when it comes to relationships since her experience with that is "zero". Of course any compassionate and understanding potential/wannabe gf would understand when you have prior commitments and want to take care of a sick friend who feels really bad. It's easy to postpone picnics or dates, there's always tomorrow, you can't cancel a cold/sickness though and to demand that you cancel your meeting with the sick friend so you can instead have a picnic now and not tomorrow or any other day is immature and selfish. That, to me, was easily the silliest plot point in Jill's arc. That alone could be reason enough for the MC to ditch her entirely, you don't want to date narcissists or extremely immature people who don't understand the concept of compassion and commitment to other people who need help.
Sombo, Sombo, SomboSteel , Do I have to start spamming , Classic Lara Croft, or Street fighter girls, or dead or alive girls. ?!Bella looks as though she is contemplating very seriously whey she didnt get that breast reduction years ago so her back wasnt in constant pain.....
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Although I'm not averse to a bit of Jill Character Assassination, and Jill Face Hate for that matter, I don't really think she dumped the mc simply because he didn't go on the picnic.What you say is more or less true but I feel that all of what you say can be easily explained by Jill's insecurity, she's also not the most mature person when it comes to relationships since her experience with that is "zero". Of course any compassionate and would understand when you have prior commitments and want to take care of a sick friend who feels really bad. It's easy to postpone picnics or dates, there's always tomorrow, you can't cancel a cold/sickness though and to demand that you cancel your meeting with the sick friend so you can instead have a picnic now and not tomorrow or any other day is immature and selfish. That, to me, was easily the silliest plot point in Jill's arc. That alone could be reason enough for the MC to ditch her entirely, you don't want to date narcissists or extremely immature people who don't understand the concept of compassion and commitment to other people who need help.
However, overall Jill is a sweet character, but she has her serious flaws, she's far from perfect but she's ultimately likable. She needs to learn quite a few things about life, she needs to become more self-assured and understand that even though she may be the MC's girlfriend or potential girlfriend she cannot demand that he lets his friends down when they need help - just so she can spend some time with him. She wouldn't want a boyfriend who is like that, would she?
I feel this is part of Jill's arc. Ultimately I feel you judge too harshly here. Now, she's nowhere near my favorite character, there are probably half a dozen or so that I like a lot more (Maya, Josy, Riona, Sage, even Nicole) but Jill is not a bad person, just terrible immature and insecure about certain things, probably due to a very sheltered life with few experiences. The MC is the one who will help her mature into an adult, at least I hope so... when you are on the Jill path, that is. I am not really, I played her route to see what it's like and it can be sweet and touching (the recital etc), but I find the aforementioned Maya, Josy, Riona, Sage etc much more compelling and fun overall and they are my #1 choices. They also look better than Jill who still looks like some kind of alien to me
Is that a new species? 
folks have a hard time to accept, that the "picnic date" is a turning point for the MC & Jill relationship, whereas MC tending Sage when is she is having a flue , is not a turning point for Sage and MC, and it's still lead to the same rebound guy talk.Although I'm not adverse to a bit of Jill Character Assassination, and Jill Face Hate for that matter, I don't really think she dumped the mc simply because he didn't go on the picnic.
Even if not going on the picnic is the initial variable that ultimately destroys the relationship, I don't think she was like, "That took me an hour to prepare that picnic basket! Fuck you Fuckface, I will dump you soon, not now, not next episode, but soon!"
It was more of a case that after not going on the picnic, one thing lead to another and their relationship didn't evolve to a point that she wanted to commit.
I think it's actually acceptable.
And regarding the "understanding potential/wannabe gf"...
I'm averse to anything about a character that seems like completely blind praise that ignores/denies the (objective) reality of them. You have to balance pros and cons, and where Jill is concerned all I can see is someone who is almost exclusively worried about her own feelings, despite claims to the contrary. I can't love somebody who demonstrates they have no respect for me.Although I'm not adverse to a bit of Jill Character Assassination, and Jill Face Hate for that matter, I don't really think she dumped the mc simply because he didn't go on the picnic.
Even if not going on the picnic is the initial variable that ultimately destroys the relationship, I don't think she was like, "That took me an hour to prepare that picnic basket! Fuck you Fuckface, I will dump you soon, not now, not next episode, but soon!"
It was more of a case that after not going on the picnic, one thing lead to another and their relationship didn't evolve to a point that she wanted to commit.
I think it's actually acceptable.
And regarding the "understanding potential/wannabe gf"...
this is also why my MC tells Heather about the +3 thing, because her trust has been betrayed. Nobody can tell your secrets if you keep your mouth shut, Tommy!
. I don't have problem with hypocriticism, I'm one too, just admit it it instead of seting up a rule to judge others whne the same rule not applied to you.
While I fully admit I do have a playthrough where I intend to see if it's possible to bang Heather, I don't actually like her. She's demonstrated that she's a very selfish individual as well, who only views the MC as useful if he has something to give her (information so far, eventually maybe his dick), and I don't find her physically appealing, either.this is also why my MC tells Heather about the +3 thing, because her trust has been betrayed. Nobody can tell your secrets if you keep your mouth shut, Tommy!
This alone makes everything you say a bit of hypocritical.
You told Heather about the +3, because you want to Fuck her, no other reason there.
so forgive me, but you are in no position to pretend to be better. It is all about your self interest, which is alone not a problem, but it is problem when you judge Jill for wanting something for her own self intrests, there for she is a bad person in your book.
I see. But you do agree that the Tommy & Heather , thing is actually none of your business?!
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That is certainly one issue of the game, almost all the main LIs either keep secrets from the MC, hurt him with their behavior or act quite silly, whereas several of the side girls don't and therefore appear to be much better girlfriend material, even if they may take drugs or be part time prostitutes, at least they are open about it and you get no surprises and some even show genuine affection and grow to really like and respect you. But of course any story needs drama and if the main LIs had no (relationship) drama with the MC and everything was wholesome and built on trust and respect without keeping vital information from the MC, which ends up seriously hurting him, the main story - which is entirely built around the relationships - would probably be pretty boring. So Maya getting the MC tasered during almost sex, Josy not being fully honest about her relationship (in her defense she had no real reason to disclose everything, at least she told the MC about the relationship and didn't really lie about anything), Jill acting a bit immature and childish and Bella... well... keeping almost everything secret, is simply a story requirement for this kind of game.
I gotta agree with Chip on this one.
That's not entirely true. First of all they are willing to fuck anyone who give them money, that alone is not necessary a good girlfriend material, but this might be depend on your own standard.That is certainly one issue of the game, almost all the main LIs either keep secrets from the MC, hurt him with their behavior or act quite silly, whereas several of the side girls don't and therefore appear to be much better girlfriend material, even if they may take drugs or be part time prostitutes, at least they are open about it and you get no surprises and some even show genuine affection and grow to really like and respect you. But of course any story needs drama and if the main LIs had no (relationship) drama with the MC and everything was wholesome and built on trust and respect without keeping vital information from the MC, which ends up seriously hurting him, the main story - which is entirely built around the relationships - would probably be pretty boring. So Maya getting the MC tasered during almost sex, Josy not being fully honest about her relationship (in her defense she had no real reason to disclose everything, at least she told the MC about the relationship and didn't really lie about anything), Jill acting a bit immature and childish and Bella... well... keeping almost everything secret, is simply a story requirement for this kind of game.
Still, it makes most main LIs problematic, at least the game gives you the option to choose "others".
But I can still easily forgive Maya and Josy
Only on this one ?
I need someone who agrees with me all the time..
