VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

That’s the beauty of it. The game’s characters aren’t all formulaic. Imagine how average it would be if the mc needed to tell each li about his mom’s death or else they wouldn’t progress with him. He needed to hold their hands first, then hug, then kiss, then handjob, then blowjob, then titjob, then fuck, then anal... I hate that formulaic shit, where each character needs the same treatment to win them over.

Look how diverse this game is.

• End of episode 4, you need to have shown interest in M&J and not be a DIK and you're in.
• Bella, you just need to persistent, and don't fuck with Cathy, she's all yours
• Sage, you can ignore the fuck outta her and finally give in to her desperate ass in episode 7 and you've home and hosed (probably shouldn't be fucking her mom either, but we'll see)
• Jill needs more work. And why not? She's a virgin who is really not sure what she wants.

And "shit happens" in this case isn't just some completely random event. It's the culmination of events that lead to an less than desirable outcome.

But seriously, if someone was chasing Jill and they skipped on her picnic, there should have been no major surprise when that jeopardised the relationship. It's a fucking porn game. In half these games you've gotta jump through eery hoop, milk every relationship point, get a perfect score, and then you'll get in a girl's pants.

If someone is Chasing ONLY Jill, three chapters before the very important crossroad event, when no li is asking for "monigamy"

It is a game trap, and i am ok with that, in the same way i am ok that the only girl that bothers Bella is Cathy, not Jill. It is ok

But that is a little trap, not the perfect cause effect result

 

[sorco2003]

That’s the beauty of it. The game’s characters aren’t all formulaic. Imagine how average it would be if the mc needed to tell each li about his mom’s death or else they wouldn’t progress with him. He needed to hold their hands first, then hug, then kiss, then handjob, then blowjob, then titjob, then fuck, then anal... I hate that formulaic shit, where each character needs the same treatment to win them over.

Look how diverse this game is.

• End of episode 4, you need to have shown interest in M&J and not be a DIK and you're in.
• Bella, you just need to persistent, and don't fuck with Cathy, she's all yours
• Sage, you can ignore the fuck outta her and finally give in to her desperate ass in episode 7 and you've home and hosed (probably shouldn't be fucking her mom either, but we'll see)
• Jill needs more work. And why not? She's a virgin who is really not sure what she wants.

And "shit happens" in this case isn't just some completely random event. It's the culmination of events that lead to an less than desirable outcome.

But seriously, if someone was chasing Jill and they skipped on her picnic, there should have been no major surprise when that jeopardised the relationship. It's a fucking porn game. In half these games you've gotta jump through eery hoop, milk every relationship point, get a perfect score, and then you'll get in a girl's pants.

In general I tend to agree with everything you are writing in the different posts about Jill. But I want to point out two or three things about the development that may explain more or less the "other" vision.
Today we know, we all buy, that Jill's is the story of fantasy and fairies, but where does that start? how does Jill go from sleeping in bed in just her underwear next to a stranger to being the perfect Disney princess?
How does she go from "I know you date others" to "you didn't go with me to the picnic".
That evolution (the Jill of fate, the jealous Jill, the overly naive Jill) sounds like the answer to the clamor rather than a premeditated development.
Now, this gives one more archetype to the BaDIK ecosystem, and also a very interesting twist... lots of DIK here and there falling over and over again before the traps of DPC.

 

[Hawka1O7]

The infinite loop error would only keep occurring if you kept quadruple clicking the exe every time you tried to launch it. Assuming that's not the case it's most likely a pretty severe issue with your OS or just a bad unren or something. That log of yours is a disaster and should look nothing like that. The error is coming from the map_system script. You can try to extract this and drop it into your install path but it looks like there is way more wrong than just that.

Thanks for that... this pretty much sums it up what I was referring to as he doesn't tell us everything... maybe not because he doesn't want to but certainly this infinite loop BS and the " .exe " vanishing is self inflicted which cannot be fixed on a forum since from here on it's a guessing game

That IS basically what happened, I got impatient and probably did quadruple clicked it based on how I recall this all started. Why the hell is this so freaking hard to believe for some reason for you sixart ? It's essentially how I described it so why do you deride it as vague and causing such disbelief? So now that the diagnosis is confirmed can you provide some actual assistance rather then snarky commentary and some conspiracy that I'm holding back here

Also Skelton I thought I mentioned that the second loop occured because I ran into a script error trying to upload old saves after I redownloaded the game? I've since deleted the game a third time and redownloaded it but the error is still occuring, is that sufficient explanation for the script error, should I desist in trying to save my old saves or something and restart my computer with a fresh copy of the game?

 

[godkingxerxes]

If someone is Chasing ONLY Jill, three chapters before the very important crossroad event, when no li is asking for "monigamy"

It is a game trap, and i am ok with that, in the same way i am ok that the only girl that bothers Bella is Cathy, not Jill. It is ok

But that is a little trap, not the perfect cause effect result

I'm certain if Jill and MC hooked up in Bella's car, she's be bothered.

Hell we don't know her reaction to Jill and MC confirming their love for each other, and whether or not it'll differ depending on if Bella/MC never started, Bella dumped MC because Cathy or MC dumped Bella after his breakfast conversation.

I wonder most about option 2, does Bella tell Jill about that, and then does Jill find out about Jade. Lots of fun times ahead.

 

[shazba]

In general I tend to agree with everything you are writing in the different posts about Jill. But I want to point out two or three things about the development that may explain more or less the "other" vision.
Today we know, we all buy, that Jill's is the story of fantasy and fairies, but where does that start? how does Jill go from sleeping in bed in just her underwear next to a stranger to being the perfect Disney princess?
How does she go from "I know you date others" to "you didn't go with me to the picnic".
That evolution (the Jill of fate, the jealous Jill, the overly naive Jill) sounds like the answer to the clamor rather than a premeditated development.
Now, this gives one more archetype to the BaDIK ecosystem, and also a very interesting twist... lots of DIK here and there falling over and over again before the traps of DPC.

I feel that Jill hasn't evolved that much since we first met her. The biggest step she's taken is to finally stand up to Tybalt, and that was a long time coming. And then of course she overcame her fear of sex, and got down and dirty with the mc.

But looking at her progression:

As far as sleeping next to the mc, she brought him in to her room as someone who was injured and in need of help. He wouldn't go to the hospital, so she wouldn't let him go off on his own, unsupervised.

This is the same protective instinct she's shown throughout the whole story. And ironically (based on previous comments) it showcases her unselfish attitude towards others.

This is the same Jill that was fine with the mc showering in the stall right next to her at the tennis club. The same Jill who had made out with the mc a number of times in the story, often including some heavy petting that she didn't object to.

In some ways Jill is quite mature, she isn't your typical giddy teenager, obsessed with the opposite sex and all things sexual. Of course, if the mc grabbed her tits during the shower scene, it caught her off guard, and so did seeing his slightly larger than average cock at the time, but notice she controlled herself and even felt she had breached the mc's trust (meanwhile the mc is looking through keyholes and salivating over Jill's and Bella's asses!)

Also at the time of the tennis game, when the mc told her he was seeing other girls, she accepted it maturely and moved on. It's one thing to know what to say at the concept of jealousy, but when it is rubbed in your face, feelings come in and complicate things, hence Jill having an overwhelming sense of jealousy when confronted with the fact that numerous girls could recognise the mc's cock on the big screen. It became real for her at that point and she became quite upset.

She confused a lot of readers when she told the mc she wanted her first time to be perfect, but she immediately clarified that in her internal monologue that she was just too scared that she'd embarrass herself because (in true Jill style), she lacked confidence in herself (being that she'd never had sex before).

She had the same performance anxiety about playing music in front of a crowd for the first time. It's not that she wanted everything to be perfect, she just didn't want to embarrass herself.

And I don't think we can suggest Jill is any more jealous than any of the other girls (or a typical girl in real life):

• Bella dumps the mc when she finds out about Cathy.
• Maya and Josy feel hurt when they find out the mc is still dating Jill.
• Quinn feels awkward when she walks in on the mc fucking Sage (note she only feels awkward when she likes the mc, otherwise she thinks it's hilarious).
• Jill feels upset when she finds out first hand that a bunch of girls know what Fuckface's erect cock looks like.
• And it's only Sage that so far hasn't given a fuck, but I'm gonna take a wild stab and say she's not gonna be happy if she finds out our hero has been fucking her mom. Probably less about jealousy though...

And once again, she didn't dump the mc because he didn't go on the picnic, but after missing out on that event together, it snowballed until at some point Jill decided she didn't want to take her relationship with him any further.

So I'd say Jill isn't to be put up on a pedestal as the Disney princess, she just happens to be a virgin with performance anxiety. She's not some jealous freak, she just has feelings, like any other person. And her naivety has been showcased from the very beginning and probably isn't going away any time soon (unless she was still dating the mc when she caught him fucking the Bella. Catching your boyfriend fucking your best friend is a sure fire way to dispel a naïve girl's illusions...)

I'm certain if Jill and MC hooked up in Bella's car, she's be bothered.

Hell we don't know her reaction to Jill and MC confirming their love for each other, and whether or not it'll differ depending on if Bella/MC never started, Bella dumped MC because Cathy or MC dumped Bella after his breakfast conversation.

I wonder most about option 2, does Bella tell Jill about that, and then does Jill find out about Jade. Lots of fun times ahead.

We've still got a few more relationships to sever at the beginning of episode 9 (namely M&J and Jill) if these weren't the chosen LI. After which, with all relationships ended, I wonder if past transgressions will mean anything to any of the LIs.

They all seemed kinda understanding that they weren't in a serious relationship with the mc. So at the point where he's decided who he wants to be with, everything should be roses.

Of course until Zoey shows up.

 

[sixart]

That IS basically what happened, I got impatient and probably did quadruple clicked it based on how I recall this all started. Why the hell is this so freaking hard to believe for some reason for you sixart ? It's essentially how I described it so why do you deride it as vague and causing such disbelief? So now that the diagnosis is confirmed can you provide some actual assistance rather then snarky commentary and some conspiracy that I'm holding back here

Also Skelton I thought I mentioned that the second loop occured because I ran into a script error trying to upload old saves after I redownloaded the game? I've since deleted the game a third time and redownloaded it but the error is still occuring, is that sufficient explanation for the script error, should I desist in trying to save my old saves or something and restart my computer with a fresh copy of the game?

Although I did not said that directly but Skeltom -s first sentance if you would mind to it... it may happen once ( ! ) but not consistently I also wrote that you may withhold it or you don't know about things on your rig... meaning we are not using a crystal ball and can't predict the future so best what's left is guessing Which is enterily on you But as I read your post you still haven't removed your saves and paths right ? If you got some anti virus running... well how the fuck would ANYBODY know about that ?! Ultimately... this doesn't happens without self involvement sooo...

 

[sorco2003]

So I'd say Jill isn't to be put up on a pedestal as the Disney princess, she just happens to be a virgin with performance anxiety. She's

Very interesting reflection on the topics discussed, except for this part, denying the Disney princess facet goes against the reality of the game.
For the rest, I differ slightly, although I understand what you want to explain, there are details that do not fit.
While I understand that you put the emotions and fantasies as proper of all characters, at least so far, Jill is the only one who rejects you for those feelings (M&J rejects you for other things).

 

[shazba]

That IS basically what happened, I got impatient and probably did quadruple clicked it based on how I recall this all started. Why the hell is this so freaking hard to believe for some reason for you sixart ? It's essentially how I described it so why do you deride it as vague and causing such disbelief? So now that the diagnosis is confirmed can you provide some actual assistance rather then snarky commentary and some conspiracy that I'm holding back here

Also Skelton I thought I mentioned that the second loop occured because I ran into a script error trying to upload old saves after I redownloaded the game? I've since deleted the game a third time and redownloaded it but the error is still occuring, is that sufficient explanation for the script error, should I desist in trying to save my old saves or something and restart my computer with a fresh copy of the game?

Did you see DrSoong's response to your issue earlier?

Do not only delete the complete game folder but also the saves (including the persistent file) in your user folder (you can find it in "C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\RenPy\BeingaDIK-<ID>").
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(Version depends of the OS version, for Win7 it has to be the 3.8.x branch).

It's unclear how everything has gotten so messed up, but if you completely delete the game (including all the stuff stored in the user folder as shown above) then you should be good to go.

You won't be able to resume from old save games if they were saved under a corrupted or modified version of the game (did you install any mods at any point?)

If it's still not working, it's gotta be something with you Windows install. So just a few questions:

• Are you running this on a PC?
• What version of Windows are you using?
• Have you modified the game (manually or with someone elses mods, like the walkthrough mod)?

Very interesting reflection on the topics discussed, except for this part, denying the Disney princess facet goes against the reality of the game.
For the rest, I differ slightly, although I understand what you want to explain, there are details that do not fit.
While I understand that you put the emotions and fantasies as proper of all characters, at least so far, Jill is the only one who rejects you for those feelings (M&J rejects you for other things).

But that's actually good. I don't want the same criteria to be applied equally to all the girls. I don't want the game to feel like a formula.

I'd rather each girl have her own priorities, her own deal breakers.

That's the beauty of this game, they are not just different heads and bodies on the same personality. Nor do they just have modified dialogue, all saying the same thing but with varying personalities and style.

Each girl is completely different and the experience with her is completely different.

So, yesterday I checked DrPinkCake's Patreon and I realized that he's got 12.100 (or so) Patrons now. If I remember well, when Episode 8 came out he posted a sort of celebration report where he wrote he had reached and got past 15.000 patrons.

So, DrPinkCake, dude, I know you won't read this, but I hope and I pray that you have realized by now that you need to release shorter and faster updates for your own sake, the game's sake and our damn sanity's sake.

Enough said.

It always spikes after each release. That's the nature of Pateon, people sign up, download, cancel. Others stay on. You watch after Episode 9 is released, it'll happen again.

 

[Ottoeight]

So, yesterday I checked DrPinkCake's Patreon and I realized that he's got 12.100 (or so) Patrons now. If I remember well, when Episode 8 came out he posted a sort of celebration report where he wrote he had reached and got past 15.000 patrons.

So, DrPinkCake, dude, I know you won't read this, but I hope and I pray that you have realized by now that you need to release shorter and faster updates for your own sake, the game's sake and our damn sanity's sake.

Enough said.

 

[godkingxerxes]

We've still got a few more relationships to sever at the beginning of episode 9 (namely M&J and Jill) if these weren't the chosen LI. After which, with all relationships ended, I wonder if past transgressions will mean anything to any of the LIs.

They all seemed kinda understanding that they weren't in a serious relationship with the mc. So at the point where he's decided who he wants to be with, everything should be roses.

Of course until Zoey shows up.

I get that this is a porn game and that must be considered, but there is a significant difference between not being in a serious relationship and dude banging all the girls he's banged while still making out with these other girls and thinking how much he loves them.

I'm expecting in chapter 9, the MGs find out about the restaurant and dump the MC.

How great it will be, if the cliffhanger of the episode actually deals with the MC again, and not some bullshit side character.

Outside of that though, I have no doubt in my mind that if MC fucked Quinn on the roof, Josy and her girlfriend will dump him. To fuck Quinn and then go and tell these girls you want to try it with them, he's getting dumped once they find out.

 

[godkingxerxes]

So, yesterday I checked DrPinkCake's Patreon and I realized that he's got 12.100 (or so) Patrons now. If I remember well, when Episode 8 came out he posted a sort of celebration report where he wrote he had reached and got past 15.000 patrons.

So, DrPinkCake, dude, I know you won't read this, but I hope and I pray that you have realized by now that you need to release shorter and faster updates for your own sake, the game's sake and our damn sanity's sake.

Enough said.

People sub to him when updates come out, download the update and unsub.

According to your numbers, if he peaked at 15k on release month and is still now at 12k after 4 months, that's actually really fucking good, it means he's keeping consistent numbers.

 

[sorco2003]

And I don't think we can suggest Jill is any more jealous than any of the other girls (or a typical girl in real life):

Very interesting reflection on the topics discussed, except for this part, denying the Disney princess facet goes against the reality of the game.
For the rest, I differ slightly, although I understand what you want to explain, there are details that do not fit.
While I understand that you put the emotions and fantasies as proper of all characters, at least so far, Jill is the only one who rejects you for those feelings (M&J rejects you for other things).

But that's actually good. I don't want the same criteria to be applied equally to all the girls. I don't want the game to feel like a formula.

I'd rather each girl have her own priorities, her own deal breakers.

That's the beauty of this game, they are not just different heads and bodies on the same personality. Nor do they just have modified dialogue, all saying the same thing but with varying personalities and style.

Each girl is completely different and the experience with her is completely different.


It always spikes after each release. That's the nature of Pateon, people sign up, download, cancel. Others stay on. You watch after Episode 9 is released, it'll happen again.

In particular, all this is my point, and yes, I agree, this variety is what makes the game unique, and it is too much to try to deny some of the characteristics of the girls.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm certain if Jill and MC hooked up in Bella's car, she's be bothered.

Hell we don't know her reaction to Jill and MC confirming their love for each other, and whether or not it'll differ depending on if Bella/MC never started, Bella dumped MC because Cathy or MC dumped Bella after his breakfast conversation.

I wonder most about option 2, does Bella tell Jill about that, and then does Jill find out about Jade. Lots of fun times ahead.

I don't think is the car the problem...

In that moment if MC is "dating" also Jill, Bella is full aware of that, but it is not a BIG problem, after she ask MC to dump her best friend. This trap maybe is set for later (as James)

If MC dumps Bella for Jill, Bella has a different reaction at the phone if i remember correctly

 

[godkingxerxes]

I don't think is the car the problem...

In that moment if MC is "dating" also Jill, Bella is full aware of that, but it is not a BIG problem, after she ask MC to dump her best friend. This trap maybe is set for later (as James)

If MC dumps Bella for Jill, Bella has a different reaction at the phone if i remember correctly

Does MC say he's dumping her for Jill specifically? My Jill run had Bella already dump MC, so never had to call the ol' lady.

 

[NebulousShooter]

And I don't think we can suggest Jill is any more jealous than any of the other girls (or a typical girl in real life):

• Bella dumps the mc when she finds out about Cathy.
• Maya and Josy feel hurt when they find out the mc is still dating Jill.
• Quinn feels awkward when she walks in on the mc fucking Sage (note she only feels awkward when she likes the mc, otherwise she thinks it's hilarious).
• Jill feels upset when she finds out first hand that a bunch of girls know what Fuckface's erect cock looks like.
• And it's only Sage that so far hasn't given a fuck, but I'm gonna take a wild stab and say she's not gonna be happy if she finds out our hero has been fucking her mom. Probably less about jealousy though...
  
  

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I did not catch that she reacts differently, but you are right.

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[Ottoeight]

People sub to him when updates come out, download the update and unsub.

According to your numbers, if he peaked at 15k on release month and is still now at 12k after 4 months, that's actually really fucking good, it means he's keeping consistent numbers.

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Check the Patreon Monthly diagram: 3years span. He constantly raised his numbers till ep. 8 release. Since then the trend has reversed.

 

[godkingxerxes]

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Check the Patreon Monthly diagram: 3years span. He constantly raised his numbers till ep. 8 release. Since then the trend has reversed.

Nothing of significance has come out since episode 8, so it makes sense that he's not going to gain anything.

But to release only a small, irrelevant interlude in that time and not drop any patrons is quite good.

Once we start seeing real progress on 9, something to build legit hype, his patron count isn't going up

 

[shazba]

People sub to him when updates come out, download the update and unsub.

According to your numbers, if he peaked at 15k on release month and is still now at 12k after 4 months, that's actually really fucking good, it means he's keeping consistent numbers.

You must be registered to see the links

Check the Patreon Monthly diagram: 3years span. He constantly raised his numbers till ep. 8 release. Since then the trend has reversed.

Nothing of significance has come out since episode 8, so it makes sense that he's not going to gain anything.

But to release only a small, irrelevant interlude in that time and not drop any patrons is quite good.

Once we start seeing real progress on 9, something to build legit hype, his patron count isn't going up

Interestingly, if you look at other developers, Dark Cookie, Phillygames, there's a similar slump (DPC's is more pronounced though). Maybe everyone's going back to work due to COVID vaccinations and they've got less time to give a fuck about AVNs. I know it was COVID that got me hooked on this shit in the first place!

 

[Ottoeight]

I guess some people isn't even able to read diagrams.

He needs to release shorter and faster updates. The game itself needs it.

I know it, you know it, he hopefully knows it.

Anyway, I won't reply further: I've already told what I had to.

 

[godkingxerxes]

Interestingly, if you look at other developers, Dark Cookie, Phillygames, there's a similar slump (DPC's is more pronounced though). Maybe everyone's going back to work due to COVID vaccinations and they've got less time to give a fuck about AVNs. I know it was COVID that got me hooked on this shit in the first place!

I'm kind surprised on the first one, the amount of subs in general since updates are not patron locked. I assume most are a buck or two but still, good shit.

And agree about covid bringing eyes to this shit, can't jack off 4 times a day to the boring shit on pornhub, need some Quinn time.

Quinn/ Sage been my go to bi daily wank since the day I spoke it into existence.