VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[gamer8000]

like to see the mc with Ashley, Sally and Elena. Arieth maybe

 

[Bendover885]

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Why can't we have a repeatable loop animation of this scene, like the punching Tybalt scene? Missed opportunity here.

 

[ChipLecsap]

If he's really that important to her... how can she be so quick to write him off permanently?!?

as we discussed this like a million times. The picnic date itself is the turning point, the things that happens there what makes MC important to Jill. - If we of course forget the Stupid affinity thing - .
It is really not that hard, to see this. All the little things you do, is simply the build up, for her to invite MC to the picnic, and then what happens there is the deciding factor, But if that not happens, then Jill does not get a confirmation from her heart, so to speak.
Jill is conflicted with her feeling toward MC, and Tybalt's shenanigans not helping to dismiss the insecurity. You are assuming that MC is already someone special for Jill, when he actually became someone special to her after the picnick and not before.

 

[BigBlueDude]

Ah yes, argue the merits of Jills crazy more. I love to read it I really do. Crazy is the correct moniker because she believes in dEsTiNy, that shes in the play "I AM special and everything that happen, happens for ME because I AM special.". Shes been self centered since day 1 and fully acts in accordance to what she believes (ie herself), even her sisters death is about herself ffs.

My argument is based on a rare kind of selfishness I think she is displaying. This is not the usual egotistical selfishness of the nasty kind thats common in media but its the reverse one. The goodhearted one thats rare... whats the word... childlike? guileless? whatever. A selfishness that doesnt consider consequences, unknown circumstances or hidden feelings of others but acts for something greater in life. To Jill life is straightforward "Act for the greater good, I bring forth the greater good, and all will be good." She just doesnt think the middle part of that sentence, shes not even aware of it. Shes compelled to act and follow dEsTiNy over reality imo.

Shes well written in that regard. What shes actually is playing in is "White priviliged Basic Bitch on Earth, one among many" and I dont think anything will make that reality check happen to her. I wish the soulcrusher moment would but i hold no hope for it.

I dont think the picnic choice is wrong per se, then again I didnt care about Jill to begin with so that makes me biased. I sympathize with people getting tricked by game logic with it though, its really open ended and can easily and convincingly be argued either way (as Shazba and Kellerman et al respectively have done) which means its good writing i think but bad/mediocre game design depending on what you think about hidden traps with choices.

Shes an awful human (but a good character) and deserve awful things happening to her. I personally fucking hate her due to the tropes shes made from. A perfectly written character that acts logically, internally consistent with what we have seen of her I think.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Ah yes, argue the merits of Jills crazy more. I love to read it I really do. Crazy is the correct moniker because she believes in dEsTiNy, that shes in the play "I AM special and everything that happen, happens for ME because I AM special.". Shes been self centered since day 1 and fully acts in accordance to what she believes (ie herself), even her sisters death is about herself ffs.

My argument is based on a rare kind of selfishness I think she is displaying. This is not the usual egotistical selfishness of the nasty kind thats common in media but its the reverse one. The goodhearted one thats rare... whats the word... childlike? guileless? whatever. A selfishness that doesnt consider consequences, unknown circumstances or hidden feelings of others but acts for something greater in life. To Jill life is straightforward "Act for the greater good, I bring forth the greater good, and all will be good." She just doesnt think the middle part of that sentence, shes not even aware of it. Shes compelled to act and follow dEsTiNy over reality imo.

Shes well written in that regard. What shes actually is playing in is "White priviliged Basic Bitch on Earth, one among many" and I dont think anything will make that reality check happen to her. I wish the soulcrusher moment would but i hold no hope for it.

I dont think the picnic choice is wrong per se, then again I didnt care about Jill to begin with so that makes me biased. I sympathize with people getting tricked by game logic with it though, its really open ended and can easily and convincingly be argued either way (as Shazba and Kellerman et al respectively have done) which means its good writing i think but bad/mediocre game design depending on what you think about hidden traps with choices.

Shes an awful human (but a good character) and deserve awful things happening to her. I personally fucking hate her due to the tropes shes made from. A perfectly written character that acts logically, internally consistent with what we have seen of her I think.

You certainly care about her enough to write a long rant about how much you just don't care about her .
There are so many Repressed Tsunderes here

 

[Crusader of Romance]

But the thing is, there was a promise made. You say you'll look after her, a girl comes up unannounced and you cancel? That shouldn't be big issue.

Then you miss whatever scene you would have gotten with your LI and you might miss her completely. That's how dating sims usually work. It used to be that missing a date was enough to lose your chance with a girl in early dating sims.
If you prioritise someone else in the game over your LI, you miss out.
I do, however, think we should have been able to cancel with Sage and I dislike that we are sometimes forced to agree to help her without a choice to say no.

 

[ename144]

as we discussed this like a million times. The picnic date itself is the turning point, the things that happens there what makes MC important to Jill. - If we of course forget the Stupid affinity thing - .
It is really not that hard, to see this. All the little things you do, is simply the build up, for her to invite MC to the picnic, and then what happens there is the deciding factor, But if that not happens, then Jill does not get a confirmation from her heart, so to speak.
Jill is conflicted with her feeling toward MC, and Tybalt's shenanigans not helping to dismiss the insecurity. You are assuming that MC is already someone special for Jill, when he actually became someone special to her after the picnick and not before.

Okay, this is getting circular. One last time.

If the MC isn't someone special to Jill, she she wouldn't have asked him for help before the recital - as indeed she doesn't if you aren't on her path. She wouldn't have planned the picnic in the first place, and she wouldn't think bitterly to herself that the MC hasn't shown how much much he wants to see her after he turned it down.

The MC (on her path) is important to Jill right up until he has a schedule conflict. The instant that happens she loses all interest and stonewalls any attempt by him to reignite it. That is my fundamental objection to the way the picnic was handled. DPC treats it as the genesis of the romance, but it's not. It's an important step on the way, but there's no reason it couldn't be replaced by an equivalent step... if Jill didn't lose her mind.

 

[shazba]

I just dont get it how you dont get it??? And you are smart dude! And gosh darnit, I agree with the gist of what you are saying. I truly do. I actually love the way you break the game's characters, their motivations and shit in your long worded posts. But ... the simple truth is this: DPC designed the game in a way where you can actually play like a DIK and still get Jill. Without mods or cheating you can balance the game to have a solid amount of sex with other girls, you can beat the shit out of other people, humiliate them even, hell you can even choose to NOT help Jill during one the most important moments in her life (Concert). And Jill ignores all that and accepts you as a boyfriend, has sex with you. All you had to do was be a major DIK to a sick friend and little Jillybean is happy. It feels out of character.

That picnic variable has to much power. On the other hand you can devote your entire playthrough to her, max the chick stats, be her knight in shining armor during the concert, but god forbid you choose to take care of your sick friend, then Jillybean moans that you were not there for her more often. It just bad game design for that particular choice. Period.

I mean you can stan some more for DPC instead admitting that he is just a human being like the rest of us capable of making mistakes. Burning mistakes actually.

Unless... you are DPC!
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Or Jill AI herself that somehow became conscious and is now spending her time on porn forum where it all began.
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Anyway, hope you see what Kellerman and I tried to communicate. Peace.

Thing is, I do get it.

In this post from a while ago, I explained the perfect Jill run minus the picnic, detailed Jill's reactions and the fallout, and in my second last paragraph, I too questioned whether DPC had intended that to be the catalyst for the end.

But at the same time, when I was first ever confronted by the choice, I knew this was a serious decision. The most serious decision in the game so far at that point. If I got that vibe, it means DPC was conveying it. If people missed it, like they miss a lot of the details in the game, that's on them.

In retrospect since my hateful Jill post, it's clear DPC meant for it to pan out that way:

• When the mc lets her down, Jill immediately thinks maybe she shouldn't worry him about the blackmail. If the mc isn't gonna make time for her, that makes it even easier to comply with her agreement with Tybalt.
• When they next meet, it's still on her mind that he blew her off with her, "(Then why haven't you shown that more?)" thoughts.
• When he climbs her balcony, although she felt butterflies (because she was nervous at the thought of sex), his presence didn't get her all worked up, hence no jilling the bean at his departure. And she articulates that something feels off.
• When Derek refers to Jill and the mc having dated (in the past tense) she doesn't correct him.
• When she's crying on Josy's shoulder, she refers to the mc as someone she "thought" (past tense) she liked.
• And so on.

And the fallout from these feelings is she doesn't invite him on the run, and then subsequently doesn't invite him to dinner with her friends, and finally she doesn't come over to fuck.

Other games out there keep a running tally of RPs to enable or disable relationships, and they often accumulate from the most inane things, and if you don't have the perfect score, sorry, it's over. Those games need a walkthrough since it's almost a lottery for you to guess all the right choices.

BaDIK, while it keeps a tally, only uses RPs occasionally, they may just be tipping point between Josy giving you an ass job or not, or Jill healing you in a game of DnG. But the important stuff is based on key decisions, as well as the DIK/Chick mechanic.

You wanna get a blowjob from a woman in another woman's car? Definitely dicing with death.

You wanna turn a girl on your doorstep down for another girl? What the fuck do you expect will happen?

There is one definite design flaw, or "bug" in the game regarding the Sage/Jill choice. If you choose Jill, the mc actually texts Sage to say he'd drop around a bit later, and Sage says not to bother, she does so in differing ways depending on whether you're on her path or just friends, but it's the same outcome. The bug is, you never see that exchange, you don't get access to your messages again for the rest of the episode, and in episode 7 you get a new phone (I think that bug still stands today).

Here's the full breakdown.

Sage isn't dying, seeing her later in the day would be a totally acceptable option, best of both worlds and all that, but if you follow that exchange, it's Sage who pulls the plug.

I have to laugh at the number of people who are like, "He promised Sage...!" He "promised" her? "Promised"? What are we, fucking primary school children? His exact words, "Of course. I'll be over in a bit."

But going back to the heart of the matter, it's not bad design for DPC to do this. People are 100% hung up on believing it's a Chick thing to tell Jill to fuck off and go hang with a sick (girl)friend, and therefore chick-loving Jill should accept it and there shouldn't be a bump in their relationship.

The mc's exact response when hit with the dilemma:

mc: "(I told Sage I'd come take care of her... Fuck.)"​

mc: "(Now I feel bad... Who am I gonna let down?)"​

On the one hand, he'd made plans with Sage first, so, first in best dressed.

On the other hand, Jill was all excited and had gone to some effort to do something nice for him, so she would likely be hurt more if he let her down.

If you're on Jill's path, the obvious thing to do is choose her and let Sage know you'll be over a bit later, if Sage wants to call it off, that's her choice.

If you wanna fuck Nicole and Sandy, tell Jill to go fuck herself!

Bottom line, if you wanted Jill but chose Sage because you thought choosing Sage would lead you to Jill, and you're blaming DPC for that not working out for you, just because you decided (there are no Chick/DIK points awarded for this decision) choosing Sage was a Chick thing to do (without considering that turning down an excited girl who had already organised a picnic might be a DIK thing to do), then you've only got yourself to blame.

It's not bad design, it was a tough decision. Even tougher if you wanted both girls. Of course we know that's a pipe dream now.

Regarding the mc saving Jill's bacon at the concert, while that was a fucking awesome thing for him to do for her, it was 100% not expected of him (of course we expected it, but none of the characters would have dreamed of him doing such a thing). If Jill fails spectacularly, it's not the mc's fault and no one in the game would even consider to hold him accountable.

So just because he does save her ass, should it change all her previous feelings for him? At that point he'd missed the picnic, the run, the dinner date, their relationship had only gone down by that point. At the back of her mind are red flags that she'd already accumulated - his getting into fights, breaking into the mansion, setting off the sprinklers (imagine if he'd fucked up her piano), egging the preps...

She took his gesture as that of a great friend, but it didn't sweep her back off her feet.

So of course DPC is human, and he has made mistakes in the game, but I don't accept this is one of them. And I definitely refute that he is "like the rest of us". If that were the case, this game would be the norm, not the exception.

I do, however, think we should have been able to cancel with Sage and I dislike that we are sometimes forced to agree to help her without a choice to say no.

Read further up in this post, you'll see you do cancel with Sage but it's a bug in the game so you never see that message exchange.

Also if you're on Sage's path you agree immediately, like why wouldn't you, but if you're just friends with her you can actually say no, he literally says, " Sorry, but I don't wanna catch a cold."

The MC (on her path) is important to Jill right up until he has a schedule conflict. The instant that happens she loses all interest and stonewalls any attempt by him to reignite it. That is my fundamental objection to the way the picnic was handled. DPC treats it as the genesis of the romance, but it's not. It's an important step on the way, but there's no reason it couldn't be replaced by an equivalent step... if Jill didn't lose her mind.

It's more complicated than that. Jill is in the situation where she's going to comply with Tybalt's demands. She wanted to see the mc to tell him, but he had other plans. Her thoughts are that perhaps that's easier anyway, if he's not making an effort for her right now, maybe she can just distance herself, as required, and leave it at that.

Unfortunately that distancing takes the mc's pressure off Jill, he doesn't get a chance to further consolidate the relationship, tell her he's falling for her, and do the other things that follow on (the run, the date). This gives Jill more time to think about it and she weighs things up. The mc is trouble. It's not all just Tybalt BS. She says it all in her dumping speech, and even though she's wrong (the mc never asked her to bail him out of anything - and he says this), she feels it's too much and decides to end their "romance" and just go back to being friends.

Is Jill wrong? Maybe. Does that make the game wrong? No. These are all imperfect characters, making mistakes and fucking shit up.

The fact that DPC has the mc protesting Jill's misunderstandings proves DPC is aware of it, meaning he's deliberately creating flawed characters (works well for drama of course).

Flawed characters are the best kind of characters.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Okay, this is getting circular. One last time.

If the MC isn't someone special to Jill, she she wouldn't have asked him for help before the recital - as indeed she doesn't if you aren't on her path. She wouldn't have planned the picnic in the first place, and she wouldn't think bitterly to herself that the MC hasn't shown how much much he wants to see her after he turned it down.

The MC (on her path) is important to Jill right up until he has a schedule conflict. The instant that happens she loses all interest and stonewalls any attempt by him to reignite it. That is my fundamental objection to the way the picnic was handled. DPC treats it as the genesis of the romance, but it's not. It's an important step on the way, but there's no reason it couldn't be replaced by an equivalent step... if Jill didn't lose her mind.

Liking the MC is not the same as him being Special to her. If Jill like the MC, She ask him out for the picnic date. During that Date, is when MC end up being special to her, it's even in the game, but may be this will help refress your memory

If you mis out, the picnic, MC won't be part of Jill's Polaroid collection of special persons to her



If your complain would, be that Even after this, She reject MC if he does not have the right Affinity, then, in that I fully agree that it is a stupid game system what is not in line with the actual story. and doesn't make a single fucking sense

 

[cutefeetcunnysseur]

i love the fucking models in this game but damn some of those faces bella makes i wouldnt find it strange if the model was holding a knife
she gives me yandere vibes

 

[Ilhares]

But even if what you say is true, doesn't that boil down to blood being thicker than water... and Jill expects to be treated like family?

That is actually the precise opposite meaning of the saying. The full wordage is 'The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb', meaning that your oaths and bonds (or in the Bible's case, the literal blood death of their savior) is of much more value and meaning than any mere family bond.

But you're right in Jill expecting too much. Especially as this is the deciding factor in whether or not she dumps the MC, but she continues to string him along a good distance before dumping him. I was thinking that maybe she should go back to Rusty as I vouched for him being a good guy, but the more I think about it, no. Rusty doesn't deserve this fickle a woman. Let Magnar have her. Or Bert. As long as it isn't Tybalt, because he does not deserve that 'victory'.

 

[Lostanddamned]

That is actually the precise opposite meaning of the saying. The full wordage is 'The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb', meaning that your oaths and bonds (or in the Bible's case, the literal blood death of their savior) is of much more value and meaning than any mere family bond.

But you're right in Jill expecting too much. Especially as this is the deciding factor in whether or not she dumps the MC, but she continues to string him along a good distance before dumping him. I was thinking that maybe she should go back to Rusty as I vouched for him being a good guy, but the more I think about it, no. Rusty doesn't deserve this fickle a woman. Let Magnar have her. Or Bert. As long as it isn't Tybalt, because he does not deserve that 'victory'.

Personally I'd rather let my homie Ron have her. He already showed interest in her in the D&G game, so it's only matter of time before my boy Ron gives her that massive Ecuadorian dick.

 

[shazba]

That is actually the precise opposite meaning of the saying. The full wordage is 'The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb', meaning that your oaths and bonds (or in the Bible's case, the literal blood death of their savior) is of much more value and meaning than any mere family bond.

But you're right in Jill expecting too much. Especially as this is the deciding factor in whether or not she dumps the MC, but she continues to string him along a good distance before dumping him. I was thinking that maybe she should go back to Rusty as I vouched for him being a good guy, but the more I think about it, no. Rusty doesn't deserve this fickle a woman. Let Magnar have her. Or Bert. As long as it isn't Tybalt, because he does not deserve that 'victory'.

Two things:

1. I've never heard: "The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb".
   
   So I consulted the oracle, the fountain of indisputable knowledge (I googled Wikipedia) and came up with:
   
   "Two modern commentators, author Albert Jack and Messianic Rabbi Richard Pustelniak, claim that the original meaning of the expression was that the ties between people who have made a blood covenant (or have shed blood together in battle) were stronger than ties formed by "the water of the womb", thus "The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb". Neither of the authors cite any sources to support their claim."
   
   But yeah, the rest of the world to my limited knowledged (the oracle told me this too), believe: "that familial bonds will always be stronger than other relationships ". Having said that, that concept is subverted by the opening monologue of this game!
   
   
2. Did Jill actually string the mc along?
   
   I've said this too, but what did they actually do since he didn't show up for the picnic?
   
   All I recall is his climbing her balcony. I mean she invited him to her concert, but she invited Derek too... She could have ended things at the balcony scene, but it's clear at that point she's not sure herself.
   
   So I don't think she did string the mc along, it was DPC who strung us along!

 

[QuixoteTheDon]

Well... it's not about being upset or not... Jill just chooses not to engage in a relationship with you...

And here ends this nonsense story...

But tehnically that is NOT true. Solo Jill chick MC who pursued only her and had Sage only as a friend will be dumped. That is the crux of this particular game design problem.

 

[shazba]

But tehnically that is NOT true. Solo Jill chick MC who pursued only her and had Sage only as a friend will be dumped. That is the crux of this particular game design problem.

How is it a game design problem when you don't have to make the wrong choice?

I'd understand it if you were on both paths, Sage rang first, mc commits to visit her, Jill shows up and the mc says outright, with no player input, "Sorry, got prior arrangements."

But you can choose. So choose the outcome you want. But you don't get to blow Jill off at that moment and have sex with her later.

 

[Kellermann]

Sage isn't dying

At the time, we don't know that. She could have monkeypox for all we know.

I have to laugh at the number of people who are like, "He promised Sage...!" He "promised" her? "Promised"? What are we, fucking primary school children? His exact words, "Of course. I'll be over in a bit."

You're not thinking about this from the perspective of a pure Chick MC as I was playing it. A word is given, and the word is to be honoured. On an evil DIK playthrough on the other hand, I wouldn't even call Sage back to cancel, I'd just ghost her and go try to get some picnic pussy. Actually, my evil MC wouldn't help a sick friend in the first place.

But going back to the heart of the matter, it's not bad design for DPC to do this. People are 100% hung up on believing it's a Chick thing to tell Jill to fuck off and go hang with a sick (girl)friend, and therefore chick-loving Jill should accept it and there shouldn't be a bump in their relationship.

That is not exactly how it went down. As previously stated, on my playthrough I dated no one else, I wasn't playing the field and there was no expectation of sex from anyone (sick Sage or virgin Jill). So you're not telling Jill to fuck off while you "hang with a sick girlfriend." Moreover, you are not rejecting Jill, you are just informing her of a prior commitment at a specific time. If this were any kind of realistic scenario, you would say, "sure a picnic sounds nice. I just have to check in on my sick friend who just called me for help and I'll meet you at your vehicle at 4pm. In fact, you can come along if you want...I know how much you like to help the helpless riiiiight?"

That's how normal people handle schedule conflicts. You don't ditch your sick friend and you also don't tell your girl of interest to fuck off. A normal human response from Jill would be, "great, see you at 4pm." Done. That is how dates are made. It usually goes...hey let's have dinner on Friday, 7pm at Dorsia, sound good to you? Oh? You're waxing your caterpillar eyebrows and that monster bush right then? Ok, how about Saturday? Yeah? Cool, can't wait to see you then. Ciao.

I wonder if Jill pulled any of this shit with my bro Rusty. She deserves whatever she got on that date with him.

The mc's exact response when hit with the dilemma:

mc: "(I told Sage I'd come take care of her... Fuck.)"​

mc: "(Now I feel bad... Who am I gonna let down?)"​

On the one hand, he'd made plans with Sage first, so, first in best dressed.

On the other hand, Jill was all excited and had gone to some effort to do something nice for him, so she would likely be hurt more if he let her down.

Yeah? And I was all excited to get a blowjob in the sauna on my Bella playthrough until I got cockblocked by a certain prude. Well shit happens...or doesn't in this case.

Regarding the mc saving Jill's bacon at the concert, while that was a fucking awesome thing for him to do for her, it was 100% not expected of him (of course we expected it, but none of the characters would have dreamed of him doing such a thing). If Jill fails spectacularly, it's not the mc's fault and no one in the game would even consider to hold him accountable.

Precisely because it wasn't expected is why it should be all the more endearing to Jill.

So just because he does save her ass, should it change all her previous feelings for him? At that point he'd missed the picnic, the run, the dinner date, their relationship had only gone down by that point. At the back of her mind are red flags that she'd already accumulated - his getting into fights, breaking into the mansion, setting off the sprinklers (imagine if he'd fucked up her piano), egging the preps...

Yes, exactly she should. Throwing pebbles and climbing Jill's balcony may be the most romantic, but the concert is something close to Jill's heart and MC doing what he did shows all the qualities Jill is looking for in a love (at least more than picnic): knight in shining armour to pick her up when she falls, considerate because MC knows her music is important so he practices that mindnumbing song, romantic because they share a duet on stage, and finally destiny...all the stars and everything aligned on that very magical night; The concert itself, MC being there ready to guitar, Jill starting her ovulation, Felice sending me his nudes, Lost&Damned fighting me 1v1 irl...etc.

The picnic is it for Jill, nothing else listed after that takes any precedence. All of those red flags you listed are also present for an MC who attends the picnic and completely overlooked, so it is the picnic which is the only deciding factor. We can't deny the way DPC coded it.

So of course DPC is human, and he has made mistakes in the game, but I don't accept this is one of them. And I definitely refute that he is "like the rest of us". If that were the case, this game would be the norm, not the exception.

I don't think it is that much of a mistake; it was intentional...and stupid. DPC was running out of time (Crossroads on the horizon) and needed a single decision point with Jill. His preferred method is to have the two women involved, so he threw this picnic together and there we have it. Same thing with dumbass Cathy taking her panties off to give a blowjob (and leaving them in car). The hour was getting late and DPC needed a quick decisive moment to break off the playboys from the true Bella believers.

Essentially, everything comes down to Crossroads. Things needed to happen as they did so the ep. 8 choice could be made so the ep. 9 temptations could begin. ep. 10 cheating is revealed. ep. 11 the breakup. ep. 12 the reuniting.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I just dont get it how you dont get it??? And you are smart dude! And gosh darnit, I agree with the gist of what you are saying. I truly do. I actually love the way you break the game's characters, their motivations and shit in your long worded posts. But ... the simple truth is this: DPC designed the game in a way where you can actually play like a DIK and still get Jill. Without mods or cheating you can balance the game to have a solid amount of sex with other girls, you can beat the shit out of other people, humiliate them even, hell you can even choose to NOT help Jill during one the most important moments in her life (Concert). And Jill ignores all that and accepts you as a boyfriend, has sex with you. All you had to do was be a major DIK to a sick friend and little Jillybean is happy. It feels out of character.

That picnic variable has to much power. On the other hand you can devote your entire playthrough to her, max the chick stats, be her knight in shining armor during the concert, but god forbid you choose to take care of your sick friend, then Jillybean moans that you were not there for her more often. It just bad game design for that particular choice. Period.

I mean you can stan some more for DPC instead admitting that he is just a human being like the rest of us capable of making mistakes. Burning mistakes actually.

Unless... you are DPC!
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Or Jill AI herself that somehow became conscious and is now spending her time on porn forum where it all began.
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Anyway, hope you see what Kellerman and I tried to communicate. Peace.

You steel need to be a CHICK or Neutral when Jill makes her decision in episode 7. If after you leave the mansion she doesn't masturbate to the Tremolo pic, that's it, that's the end. It's just not possible if you have DIK status. Jill's way... it's just hell, you just have to balance on everything... Really the hardest of the major LIs. I was able to get through it only by downloading the guide. After that, I don’t really like the fastidious princess.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Ok, new fighting topic. Do you think MC loves Jill the most(when you're pursuing her, obv), or why do you think she is the only LI that auto cockblocks you, like missing out on mommy Nicole and the crackhead with glorious breasts threesome?

 

[godkingxerxes]

You steel need to be a CHICK or Neutral when Jill makes her decision in episode 7. If after you leave the mansion she doesn't masturbate to the Tremolo pic, that's it, that's the end. It's just not possible if you have DIK status. Jill's way... it's just hell, you just have to balance on everything... Really the hardest of the major LIs. I was able to get through it only by downloading the guide. After that, I don’t really like the fastidious princess.

DIK status is OK, DIK affinity is not.

My Jill run is DIK status, and Neutral affinity. And a more DIK leaning Neutral at that, but I don't believe that will factor in anytime soon.

 

[dalli_x]

You are supposed to visit me for this feeling.



I used to think it a design mistake such as forgetting to add in a failsafe variable, but it is clear to me now that DPC wanted it this way with Jill from the beginning. He does the same thing with other girls (one false selection and you're out). A good example is with Bella and the Cathy blowjob. It is one of the most critical decisions you can make with Bella's route. That one, however, is completely reasonable and understandable. Of course Bella is not going to want to have a relationship with you if you are getting sucked off by rival MILfs. I receive exactly what I deserve with that choice.

Getting back to Jill, however, it is not so much the picnic itself that irritates me, as it is the concert. That concert is long established as one of Jill's primary personal concerns (the other being: helping those in need, *ahem* you know, like an appointment to a sick person!). And I practiced that stupid fucking song for an entire season. It is the concert, not a spur of the moment picnic that can be thrown together in 10 minutes, that should be the critical decision in Jill's path. If a woman can't love you after being her personal saviour at her moment of greatest need in a romantic concert setting then she is incapable of love. (#INowStandWithRusty, #RustyDidNothingWrong). But then to callously cast MC aside after his noble display at said concert is a Quinn level of non-broccoli pure evil.
An evil Jill might be nice to have now that I think about it.
As long as she does anal.

But why then did DPC not use the concert as the defining moment? Well because there is not enough drama in that decision. it is too easy. It needed to be something juicer, in particular a choice between two women (a favoured tactic of DPC). And that is why he made the picnic and not concert the watershed moment in Jill's route.

I assume so that the concert is another crucial moment for the BaDIK and MC story and Jill is only the secondary priority.

Primary will be so that he helped Jill. In doing so, he will be seen by several people. Amelia and probably the daughters of Miranda and Vivian. The guy with the ring could be Geoff. The MC, for example, also has more reactions than Jill to Rooster.

In my opinion, preventing the Jill and Tybalt date would have been the perfect time. But DPC probably wanted the shock moment for the players here.