VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[WastedEfforts]

For real it's ridiculous. I play BAD with my boyfriend and we focus on the fucking, not psychoanalysing what path is better. People just need to get laid.

We need new Episode.
I blame Interlude, and Zoey personally, for delaying new release.

They did not run toward the MC. They just stood there speechless and couldn't believe what they were seeing.

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Okay, if that's how you feel about the jocks, I respect that. But it's out of our hands anyway because it's "canon".

The part in the shower bothers me a little, Tybalt is afraid of the MC either way. It doesn't matter if the MC punches Tybalt in the face with his fist or not. But it will probably be that Tybalt can be pissed because he got the tennis ball from Isabella before.

I don't want to belittle the people who fight with the athletes. Let everyone decide that for themselves, please. I for one decided against it because the 3 athletes did nothing to the MC.

Yep they stood there confused, but as soon as you pick option to fight them, they start going after him. MC didn't even make a move and they went after him.
All jocks fought or tried to fight MC at one point or another. They literally exist to antagonize and fight MC. Even at HOT party some of them tried to start shit with MC, while he was just chilling.
Even if you don't fight Caleb, ignore all alpha rooster posts, he still will try to antagonize MC in the 8th chapter.
The idea that some posters try to take moral high ground by denying jocks their purpose is laughable.
I've never said anything about canon btw.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Weird how it doesn't stop them from coming at you later then.

This isn't Ender's Game.

They are not come. Chad only, because he think that MC blackmail him.
And in general, stop this fight people, DPC has posted a new update and it costs $40.
Maybe there are rich heroes?

 

[shazba]

ftfy.

Women who have grown the fuck up prefer a guy who's going to treat them well. That's why Lily gives it up for free to a chick mc and tells him that he's the type of guy she'd want to settle down with. Because she's dealt with assholes(DIKs) for a significant portion of her life and like most immature girls eventually mature enough to realize(after they've been with enough assholes) those aren't the type of guys you spend the rest of your life with.

Yes, when you are actually defending yourself or another human being.

Enough is enough is not a good reason. It takes a strength of character that only a real man has to walk away when you really want to beat the shit out of someone. This kind of excuse is what a petulant child uses.

And fighting Dawe was self defense.

Objection! Speculation.

Which, again, was self defense. Bringing up fights that I already indicated were ok is kind of stupid.

Not really. He doesn't keep coming after 1 hit. However, I disagree with DPC labelling it a DIK choice. A) He did attack you. B) He's really in need of a sharp lesson in humility and C) It's more of a bro fight anyways where no one's trying to significantly hurt each other but the line has been crossed and your friend needs to be taken down a peg.

No it can't be. That's the kind of fight a petulant child get's in to because they want to feel like a big man.

Except you've literally listed 2 fights that are initiated by the MC. Dawe initiated that fight but the jocks didn't. They just ran up after that fight was over. The MC attacks them if the player makes that choice. Dick move. Same with the Caleb fight. He doesn't take a swing at the MC unless the MC takes a swing at him first. Another dick move. In both cases they are defending themselves from you.

I agree with pretty much all of that, including Tommy not necessarily being self defence but it was kinda required to clear the air between them. Turns out it works out whether you punch back or leave it to Josy to kick his balls in, he probably preferred to be hit by the mc.

But with the Jocks after Dawe... It's hard to gauge since the mc only had seconds to determine whether he should make a run for it or stand his ground, and if he was gonna stand his ground, he needed to attack first since it was three on one.

We know with hindsight that it doesn't make a difference whether you stick around or make a run for it (Dawe goes for the cheap shot regardless), and we know most of the jocks aren't that quick to want to start throwing punches, but at the time, the mc was running on adrenaline, and didn't know whether the jocks were about to attack, and given he'd just fought Dawe, he could have fairly assumed they would attack too.

So I'm gonna say that one could be considered a pre-emptive strike.

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

I don't get why ya'll arguing over this one. It's not one attitude or the other, a DIK character has multiple attitudes:

• More direct: Telling a girl she looks "hot"
• Bad attitude: Swearing all the time
• Rude: Ignores the receptionist once she's given him directions.
• Inappropriate: Looking up girls skirts
• Aggressive: Taking on the Jocks (standing up to Chad when he's manhandling Sage)
• Body Confident: Tells the DIKs he has a jock physique (I don't know how to write it without it sounding weird...), and telling Maya he's not ashamed of his body when he undresses in front of her
• Sexually Confident: Invites Mel and Sarah into the shower, involves himself with Quinn and Cammy when they are teasing him, joins the girls in the jacuzzi.
• Immature: Enjoys Derek's moronic antics

And so on.

Some of it would be considered a "jerk's" behaviour, but some of it not, therefore not one word describes the kind of person a DIK is.

I will try to keep it short and simple.

Yes can maintain dik affinity but there is not a written rule that mc can't use common sense.

Swaring : Using common sense with Dik affinity : meeting bella at library and see jade husband, mc can say hello or something really stupid : you get the idea. . .

Direct : Yes he is direct in his approach but can be respectful.

IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW FAR YOU TAKING SIDE : CHICK MC IS FUCKED OVERALL, NORMAL AFFINITY IS BASICALLY CONFUSED MC, NOW THERE IS DIK AND THERE IS DIK WITHOUT COMMON SENSE.

AGAIN HOW FAR AND WHAT CHOICES MC MAKE . . .

Aggressive : Your example " Really really bad . . . " Try to look other way by replacing sage with other LI or other female character mc is close with.

Then you all see why is really really important to stand up to chad.

Rude : i am not even gonna explain this . . .


Fuck this i am not writing all thiis shit. . .


I am very well aware that you already have idea and understanding where i am coming from on your statement here.

MC CAN BE HUGE DIK AFFINITY AND ALSO CAN BE RESPECTFUL AND REASONABLE.

IT'S ABOUT USING DIK AFFINITY WITH COMMON SENSE TO REACH BEST OUTCOME BECAUSE WITH CHICH AFFINITY, Mc is dik less.


Well fuck it again : Are you aware of reward mechanism to dogs.

Because of reward they behave certain way but in that they loss most important thing : Choice for choices ( That is chick process led to )

Or

Turning of wolf into a domestic dog : wolf turn into dog . . . What they give up . .

INDEPENDENT THOUGHTS AND MOST. . MOST. . IMPORTANTLY " THE CAPACITY AND WANTING OF HAVING INDEPEDENT THAUGHT AND CHOICES . . . The worse part they also thing it's freedom.

 

[dalli_x]

It's pretty funny after a couple of radical CHICK players act aggressive and arrogant, start a war in the comments and then:
"WHY ARE YOU SUCH ASSHOLS?"
Hypocrisy Level: YES

Wow. You can apply what is written to yourself, because you are doing exactly what you criticize yourself in the "CHICK" player.

I find something like...

 

[shazba]

I will try to keep it short and simple.

Yes can maintain dik affinity but there is not a written rule that mc can't use common sense.

Swaring : Using common sense with Dik affinity : meeting bella at library and see jade husband, mc can say hello or something really stupid : you get the idea. . .

Direct : Yes he is direct in his approach but can be respectful.

IT'S ALL ABOUT HOW FAR YOU TAKING SIDE : CHICK MC IS FUCKED OVERALL, NORMAL AFFINITY IS BASICALLY CONFUSED MC, NOW THERE IS DIK AND THERE IS DIK WITHOUT COMMON SENSE.

AGAIN HOW FAR AND WHAT CHOICES MC MAKE . . .

Aggressive : Your example " Really really bad . . . " Try to look other way by replacing sage with other LI or other female character mc is close with.

Then you all see why is really really important to stand up to chad.

Rude : i am not even gonna explain this . . .


Fuck this i am not writing all thiis shit. . .


I am very well aware that you already have idea and understanding where i am coming from on your statement here.

MC CAN BE HUGE DIK AFFINITY AND ALSO CAN BE RESPECTFUL AND REASONABLE.

IT'S ABOUT USING DIK AFFINITY WITH COMMON SENSE TO REACH BEST OUTCOME BECAUSE WITH CHICH AFFINITY, Mc is dik less.


Well fuck it again : Are you aware of reward mechanism to dogs.

Because of reward they behave certain way but in that they loss most important thing : Choice for choices ( That is chick process led to )

Or

Turning of wolf into a domestic dog : wolf turn into dog . . . What they give up . .

INDEPENDENT THOUGHTS AND MOST. . MOST. . IMPORTANTLY " THE CAPACITY AND WANTING OF HAVING INDEPEDENT THAUGHT AND CHOICES . . . The worse part they also thing it's freedom.

Every example I gave was dictated in game by having a DIK, HUGE DIK or MASSIVE DIK status. They are actions the mc took because of that status, just random examples that if he wasn't a DIK, he either couldn't do or would do differently (it's in the code, I'm not speculating or making shit up).

I was just pointing out that these DIK driven responses or choices do not all hinge from the same personality characteristic (which has been the current debate over the last few pages).

But I'm gonna come outright and say I don't know what the fuck you're talking about...

 

[WastedEfforts]

You confuse being nice with eating people's shit with a grin on your face. When you call people simp and pussy they aren't gonna play nice anymore. Clapping back doesn't make one a dick.

Dude, what? you alright there, buddy?

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

Every example I gave was dictated in game by having a DIK, HUGE DIK or MASSIVE DIK status. They are actions the mc took because of that status, just random examples that if he wasn't a DIK, he either couldn't do or would do differently 9it's int he code, I'm not speculating or making shit up).

I was just pointing out that these DIK driven responses or choices do not all hinge from the same personality characteristic (which has been the current debate over the last few pages).

But I'm gonna come outright and say I don't know what the fuck you're talking about...

Seriously men . . .

Well the shit was . . . The example you give in dik choices are right because they are in dik but not the conclusion you arriving at.

Ok ok ok I will not make a assumption : What affinity your mc associated most of times ?


BTW..

Further more I was putting my point out on affinity and what they do to mc.

 

[Blades1138]

This whole response is gold . first you talk about jerk point, this is where you started, and think that a Dik MC is jerk, by default. But those "Jerk point" does not determine his affinity. Status and Affinity is not the same. and You know this probably, you just purposely use this as flip-flop tool to back up your argument, what is fundamentally false. Becasue chick or Dik point does not determ wheter MC is a Dik or Chick. They are cosmetics.

How ever, they do, give him, benefits like , fingering Maya, or Banging Mona and Camy together. or Spanking Sally. But high chick status, or Dik Status won't make you Dik or Chick person

so the whole debate is totally pointless, except , that it is in fact, in the game, that a Dik affinity player, has the option to BE confident in a situation, where a Chick MC ask for privacy.

that's all, nothing more nothing less.

I made the "Jerk points" comment as a joke response, don't even remember to whom. Then someone countered with "Confidence points" all serious like, to which I responded, pointing out it makes no sense. Afterwards the whole thing got blown out of proportion, so it's normal that you're confused. What isn't normal is trying to put words in my mouth.

Let me clear it up - I haven't even mentioned CHICK affinity let alone insist that one or the other is superior in any way. What I do think, is that the insistence that DIK choices represent genuine confidence is laughable. I'm not denying that through arbitrary in-game logic DPC has locked some "confident" choices behind DIK points. However this is a design choice, not a logical correlation between DIK actions and the resulting ascribed "confidence" trait in-game and especially not in real-life. The systems itself don't logically support it as you can gain status points and affinity through various actions, resulting in meeting a point threshold without actually making a confidence related choice prior.

The above alone should show why I don't consider the Melanie/Sarah scene as a valid argument. But since you mentioned it several times, there's a few other reasons: you're arguing on the basis of semantics (just because the word is featured in the menu option) and you're focusing on the unlock condition - affinity status. Basically you can make that "confident" choice without having made Major choices related to that trait at all. In fact the choice "be confident" itself can be a CHICK one if you leave afterwards, further showing how arbitrary it is.

Also not denying that DIK path has more options during sex, but again - DPC's design choices are not necessarily substantiated by common sense. Especially apparent as the we are locked out of decisions internal to the MC, and by extension to the player. By what logic would I be unable to finger a girl if I didn't peek, fight or cuss enough ?

Now if you insist that all DPC's design consistent and makes sense, and the actual in-game DIK actions (not semantic choices) genuinely and logically are always backed by confidence, then we'll just have to disagree.
As for the prolonged argument with whoever that person was - they kept insisting not only that the above sentence is true, but that this kind of logic also applies to real-life somehow. At least that's what I got from his posts.

 

[lipe2410]

Fuck, we need a new preview urgently

 

[shazba]

Seriously men . . .

Well the shit was . . . The example you give in dik choices are right because they are in dik but not the conclusion you arriving at.

Ok ok ok I will not make a assumption : What affinity your mc associated most of times ?


BTW..

Further more I was putting my point out on affinity and what they do to mc.

My mc is (in the words of OFT - sadly gone but not forgotten.... F... ) a Monstrously Irrevocably Massive DIK. If you look at the below transcript from my game, you'll see just how irredeemably DIKish he is:

When you say she doesn't really talk about other guys, are you referring to this conversation with Sage?

Sage: "Speaking of Quinn..."​

Sage: "She mentioned you."​

mc: "Yeah, I'm sure that bitch can't get me outta her head."​

Sage: "Yeah. Do you like her or something?"​

mc: "I like her mouth around my cock."​

Sage: "Interesting..."​

mc: "Why?"​

Sage: "I think she likes you."​

mc: "There isn't a bitch in this building that doesn't want a piece of this."​

Sage: "She didn't say it, but you pick up on the little things, you know?"​

Sage: "She generally doesn't talk about guys that much, but, fuck me, she's been ranting a lot about you."​

Sage: "I figured that you either got under her skin or that she likes you."​

mc: "I don't know about under her skin, more like inside her skin..."​

Sage: "It could be..."​

Sage: "Although, no one really gets under her skin."​

Sage: "But... Nah, forget it."​

mc: "Tell me bitch, or I'll fuck you right her on the kitchen counter in front of your peeps."​

Sage: "She seems to think that you're trying to ruin her fun. But the way she says it..."​

Sage: "It's kind of like a cat chasing a mouse."​

Sage: "Half of it is play and the other half is serious."​

Sage: "What I'm trying to say is...chat her up if you're interested."​

mc: "Yeah, you keep an eye on the DIK mansion roof, you'll know what I mean when it goes down."​

Sage only says, "She generally doesn't talk about guys that much", that doesn't mean there haven't been other guys (I know, this is an AVN and the idea that a girl fucked someone else other than the MC can be grating on certain people...)

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

This is so cool . . .

So open minded, ready to have good conversation, not using overly smart machines of words to look down on someone or ready to be challenged on thaughts.

Hm m m m . . .

 

[ffive]

All this affinity talk just validates my (unpopular) opinion that this game is borderline unplayable without a cheat mod. The only time I tried making a playthrough without it I couldn't even get to the end of chapter 2 because I felt like the system just sets you on such a narrow path that I might as well be playing a pure visual novel.

There isn't really anything in this talk that'd support your (unpopular) opinion. People are arguing how to interpret available affinities, but no one claims they make the game borderline unplayable, or even that they have any serious impact on the experience.

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

My mc is (in the words of OFT - sadly gone but not forgotten.... F... ) a Monstrously Irrevocably Massive DIK. If you look at the below transcript from my game, you'll see just how irredeemably DIKish her is:

My mc is (in the words of OFT - sadly gone but not forgotten.... F... ) a Monstrously Irrevocably Massive DIK. If you look at the below transcript from my game, you'll see just how irredeemably DIKish her is:

THAT IS WHY I SAID USING COMMON SENCE ON DIK PATH IN MY FIRST COMMENT.

Muhammad Ali was a greatest boxer but he didn't box on his family did he ?

Using Dik affinity time and place that was my point.

Extreme in every system could be really damaging and stupidity.

 

[shazba]

THAT IS WHY I SAID USING COMMON SENCE ON DIK PATH IN MY FIRST COMMENT.

Muhammad Ali was a greatest boxer but he didn't box on his family did he ?

Using Dik affinity time and place that was my point.

Extreme in every system could be really damaging and stupidity.

For sure, it's not like the mc has Tourettes or something, but he uses more colourful language at various times when he's a DIK compared to when he's a Chick. He's not an idiot, he's just rough around the edges.

To be honest, I swear all the time at the office and around friends, but never around my kid. But a more gentile person would likely not swear at all.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Fuck, we need a new preview urgently

It's already here. $40

Bella is an expensive woman

 

[FappingWorldwide]

Fuck, we need a new preview urgently

Or a new waifu war. At least that brings memes and fun.

 

[shazba]

Fuck, we need a new preview urgently

Or a new waifu war. At least that brings memes and fun.

Well I did hear this rumour that Jill could be the mc's aunt. Were you guys aware of that!?

 

[Darkwen]

While the bitching back and forth is fun and enjoyable, waifu calls

 

[lemonfreak]

Well I did hear this rumour that Jill could be the mc's aunt. Were you guys aware of that!?

No but I heard she might be hiding something else

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