VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ffive]

only Tybalt could agree with you

I don't think it's just Tybalt; why do you think Rusty felt there's a point in bringing up he's a Burgmeister, in the scene mentioned a little upthread? Why do you think Jill prefers it if people don't know she's a Royce? Getting different treatment based on one's social standing is (an unfortunate) fact of life. There's little point in pretending there's no such thing.

But what are you talking about?

We were discussing whether there's any basis for Jill calling shots in relationship with Fuckface, as opposed to just meekly doing what he tells her. The presented argument was "she can't do what she feels like doing because she has no power". The counterargument to that is, at least as far as this particular college is concerned, Jill wields more power (and experience) than Fuckface. No matter how it might rustle player's jimmies.

but the crazy thing is that Jill knows that she had no right to, in fact she apologizes

Does she, now? Because llhares claims she never does and that's why she's so awful.

 

[zero942]

anyone know if exist any spanish parch? the mega's link is broke and the android version is in the actual version of the game?

 

[el_rayan07]

absolutely not

at the end of the second season the game even requires a choice, albeit not a final one, among the different LIs and we actually discard the discarded ones

Hay thx for the fast reply didn't get to see it till now, will check the game any ways just out of curiosity I mean it sucks the no harem path but will try to enjoy it anyway

 

[dempun]

It doesn't look like the DPC, which thinks everything through to the smallest detail, but it can be. Any person can make a mistake.

If we don't get some kind of explanation, for example, we don't find out that Lana died/disappeared/was in asylum a year ago, then most likely thats true, Jill just has a good day and being comfortable out of her shell. But Jill has a lot of skeletons in her closet and the DPC still has a lot to tell about her backstory.

Meh... Let Tybalt have her.

 

[Darkwen]

Actually, that is the second one. The first one, despite my passive aggressive implication , was never posted full,y only a teaser, that is where my avatar come from.
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Forgot about that one since we didn't get full preview

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Meh... Let Tybalt have her.

Tybalt already has the girl of his dreams

 

[Darkwen]

Tybalt already has the girl of his dreams
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He's the only guy who's girl can fill him full of seed

 

[dempun]

Tybalt already has the girl of his dreams
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True, he already has the upgrade.

 

[Deleted member 3788572]

But given the outcome of the event in question she actually did know better than MC in that particular case. And honestly, the "she should stay the fuck out of MC's business because i tooooooold her so" holds little water when the MC constantly gets in everyone's business and it never triggers any self-reflection in the players controlling him. He gets to be on receiving end of it for once, no need to get all snowflake about it like it's some kind of end of the world and relationship breaker, that someone dared to display some agency rather than act like mere background for power fantasies, and did something you didn't want them to. (Quinn says "hi")

On that note, and in the light of yet another Jill discussion today, I want to thank all the parties involved in the repeated exchanges, which I totally follow each and everyone of them (lul). You made me realise Jill is indeed #1 MG and Sage pales in comparison. This also proves that this thread is actually useful for something.
Whether you made sound arguments why she’s best girl or preposterous ones why she supposedly sucks - thanks, you guys rock!

 

[RNasc4444]

Meh... Let Tybalt have her.

Imo even Tybalt deserves better.

 

[ciberma7865]

Imo even Tybalt deserves better.

I think you mean that watermelon deserve better

 

[Lurcher1]

Poor Jill, I'm sure S3 will resolve some her problems. Though, I get why she is where she is (sheltered life, her entire family curating her teenage years and dates, etc. It's no surprise she is where she is).

Ah, screw her, the sheltered girl can go to Isabella and wonder some more (unless of course, you're on Bella's path and Jill caught you in flagrante delicto in which case, she and Bella can argue over who stole who in regards to the MC)

 

[Tauro Thurius]

Jill looks like she has hypertelorism.

 

[SomboSteel]

Jill looks like she has hypertelorism.

Jill looks like a lot of things, most of them funny

 

[Tauro Thurius]

Jill looks like a lot of things, most of them funny

"HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE HIGH ELVES?"

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

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"HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE HIGH ELVES?"

Sorry to disappoint, but this is not a high elf. This is a different race.
[Smash Mouth - All Star starts playing in my head]

 

[ffive]

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"HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE HIGH ELVES?"

This would've worked way better if Josy weren't there to steal the spotlight.

 

[ename144]

If we talking about Jill again...I'm wondering if anyone noticed Jill's strange and atypical behavior in the prologue of Episode 5? The moment she meets Rusty.
What do we know about Jill from the main plot? She is a very mannered, shy and modest girl. Jill has such good manners that she is afraid to quarrel with someone and it's just embarrassing for her to say no. She couldn’t even respond normally to Tybalt’s harassment until the end of Episode 8. Although at these moments it’s noticeable how uncomfortable his courtship is for her, especially in the second season. Or she will not say anything to the MC who behaves like a pig, for example, peeps at her panties. She is silent, although the MC receives -1RP Jill. This is the Jill we know.
But here's what we see when Jill meeting Rusty:
Oh, another rich boy hitting on me
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When Jill finds out who Rusty is, she releases her best line in the whole game:
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That smug face when Jill fried Rusty and leaves is pure gold
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It's also worth mentioning her response when Rusty mentioned Romeo and Juliet:
"Haha, if you think that, you should read that book again"

And it's all very strange. And it doesn't fit with everything we know about Jill and what Bianca said about how she "pulled Jill out of the shell", which is to say, hinting that she was even more shy. What's going on here? Jill in her first year of college is a rather bold, open and charismatic girl who easily turns off an annoying guy who tring to charm her. I would say that in the prologue, she carries herself like a confident aristocrat, and not a tower princess, isolated from the world. Which we know from the main scenario.

I'm a little confused. Maybe Jill was broken after she got into B&R? Maybe the tragedy with Lana happened not so long ago? Who has theories? Is this just a DPC plot error, or could the event that changed Jill actually happen in the last two years?

I've always thought that exchange was weird. Jill makes a big deal of not telling the MC her surname supposedly because people are always trying to use her for her family. Yet when Rusty makes clear he *doesn't* know who Jill's family is, the first thing she does is pull rank on him. Similarly, as you say, this Jill is far more self-assured than the Jill who goes crying to Bella at the thought of having to live up to her deal with Tybalt. (Then again, Jill was a lot less feeble in Season 1 so the contrast wasn't quite as stark back when Episode 5 came out.)

Really, I think it just comes down to DPC being something of a sloppy writer at times. Jill hid her family from the MC to butter up the player about how super-special-awesome the MC is (and tease the mystery of her family a bit). Jill one-upped Rusty with her family because it made for a cool, humorous scene. The fact that Jill's behavior is inconsistent across both scenes doesn't really concern DPC because we weren't meant to compare them; if we were, he would have made explicit reference to the proper comparisons in the game.

DPC is very good at fleshing out his characters, it's one of his big strengths. But he's happy to cheat on small details if they get in the way of the of a given scene he wants to write.

 

[allanl9020142]

The good news is that we know the approximate scope of the episode and will be able to predict the release dates with relative accuracy. I think November, although still likely, its chances are decreasing. It's hard to believe that he will be able to create 80 animations and renders during a month. So December is probably becoming our month.


I don't think he has milks. He just works the way he feels comfortable because he has a super loyal audience and no one puts pressure on him. He calls himself a professional, but his approach to planning is rather amateurish. For example, the fact that he doesn't want to hire himself even an assistant speaks about him. He doesn't want to expand the business, he is satisfied with his pace of development and the money he receives. Other developers are investing heavily in creating a large team, but not him. Why? This is arrogance. He thinks that his art is better than others, that he and the rest of the developers are there.

Adding extra content to the game is also arrogance. He wants to show everyone what he can do, he likes to bathe in the rays of love and glory. Why does he ban all the dissatisfied? Because it brings discomfort to his world where he is the best developer in history. In fact, we always knew that DPC has a complicated character., to put it mildly, and we thought that this wouldn't affect the development. They were wrong. This will be reflected and is reflected in a direct way. His hysteria about the fraudster even looks artificial and as an excuse for why he didn't do anything.

In general, I would advise everyone not to expect much from episode 9. According to him, he worked hard and intensive on the branches of Sage and Isabella, and left the rest of the branches (especially Jill) for the last stage. He won't be able to create all branches equally good. Some will be good and interesting, some boring and tortured. The same Halloween free roam may be the biggest disappointment. Free roams have already become annoying since episode 7, where, apart from the central party, there were quite a lot of its and often useless, but in episode 8 there were so many of it that you just ran through them as soon as possible.

From what I read, I thought he was just playtesting those routes and the major bulk of ep 9 is finished. Now he's doing something for God knows what but I'm pretty sure anything else for the specific routes will just be like finishing touches or something. I mean, if 95% of the renders are already done then I think it's safe to say he's pretty much done working on that and it's just playing through the routes for final edits. Unless he gets another jolt of inspiration then, see you guys in 2023 I guess.

See that's the thing about the increasingly higher expectations as development time goes on. I'm always doubtful when things get hyped this much. At this point, I'd rather just see a further continuation of the story than "Oh cool, he put that one thing in the game. Awesome!". Seems like a cart before the horse type of thing. It's like talking about all the cool garnishes the chef has put on the plate before but the actual next course hasn't come out yet. I love the small details he puts into the dialogue but that's something that can be appreciated when accompanying the actual "meat and potatoes". I'm running on fumes, my guy.

Still in comparison, a lot of devs just serve you a boiled boot and call it a game. In DPC's case, it's like he comes out with fireworks and says "LOOK AT ALL THE FUCKING FIREWORKS, GUYS!" Everyone's hyped but I'm just sitting there like "Ok that's pretty damn cool but it's been 7 months since the appetizer was served."
I'm not saying I'd rather eat the boot but I'm also not saying that delaying each successive course for an increasing number of intricately cut carrots and tomatoes makes much sense either.

 

[DrSoong]

I've always thought that exchange was weird. Jill makes a big deal of not telling the MC her surname supposedly because people are always trying to use her for her family. Yet when Rusty makes clear he *doesn't* know who Jill's family is, the first thing she does is pull rank on him. Similarly, as you say, this Jill is far more self-assured than the Jill who goes crying to Bella at the thought of having to live up to her deal with Tybalt. (Then again, Jill was a lot less feeble in Season 1 so the contrast wasn't quite as stark back when Episode 5 came out.)

Really, I think it just comes down to DPC being something of a sloppy writer at times. Jill hid her family from the MC to butter up the player about how super-special-awesome the MC is (and tease the mystery of her family a bit). Jill one-upped Rusty with her family because it made for a cool, humorous scene. The fact that Jill's behavior is inconsistent across both scenes doesn't really concern DPC because we weren't meant to compare them; if we were, he would have made explicit reference to the proper comparisons in the game.

DPC is very good at fleshing out his characters, it's one of his big strengths. But he's happy to cheat on small details if they get in the way of the of a given scene he wants to write.

I don't think, it's comparable, Rusty brags with his name and power, Jill using her name is (only in this case) some kind of self defense. It's obvious that she doesn't like to use a well known family name to impress others, with MC it is other than with Rusty. She has feelings for him (at least no distraction like with Rusty, based on their first meeting), it's like she wants to test MC if he is for her or her name.

But as many times mentioned, she also has some things like a superior complex, helping others without getting pegged for (and maybe not with the result she is hoping for).