VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ffive]

But Zoey tossed it, and left it, and Maya pulled up quick to go get it.

Zoey is hardcore climber and only does her mountain trekking in winter. She'll be back.

 

[ffive]

Zoey has a nice ass and I want to see that ass sitting on Maya's face

Come to think of it, doesn't Zoey tell Emma in the Interlude she isn't interested in girls, though? Or am remembering it wrong, it's been a while.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Come to think of it, doesn't Zoey tell Emma in the Interlude she isn't interested in girls, though? Or am remembering it wrong, it's been a while.

shhh

let him dream, don't be rude

 

[NebulousShooter]

shhh

let him dream, don't be rude

Zoey will sit on Josy's face.

Zoey will sit on Josy's face. Bookmark this post and call me Nostradamus...I will it into existence.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Zoey will sit on Josy's face. Bookmark this post and call me Nostradamus...I will it into existence.

although with DPC it will be difficult to collect on this bet

 

[NebulousShooter]

Do you think the blue hair will be a blue ball until the end of the season? Trying to pretend she is your friend and she totally didn't come back to get your DNA? Or immediate cheap drama, as in kiss you in front of Sage, since obviously you are a man of culture and you picked Sage at the end of last season.

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[felicemastronzo]

Do you think the blue hair will be a blue ball until the end of the season? Trying to pretend she is your friend and she totally didn't come back to get your DNA? Or immediate cheap drama, as in kiss you in front of Sage, since obviously you are a man of culture and you picked Sage at the end of last season.

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the weak point will always be MC, who, however, even if he is in "others" will be shocked by Zoey's reappearance.
I really believe that at least until the end of the third season we will not have a chance to define the relationship with Zoey

MC will stay with the LI he chose but he will think about Zoey, meet Zoey and think about his LI. then eventually he will have to choose and based on whether he put milk or lemon in his tea at some point in the story (or another choice of the same level of importance) he may be accepted or rejected

 

[NebulousShooter]

the weak point will always be MC, who, however, even if he is in "others" will be shocked by Zoey's reappearance.
I really believe that at least until the end of the third season we will not have a chance to define the relationship with Zoey

MC will stay with the LI he chose but he will think about Zoey, meet Zoey and think about his LI. then eventually he will have to choose and based on whether he put milk or lemon in his tea at some point in the story (or another choice of the same level of importance) he may be accepted or rejected

Not gonna lie, as much as I like Zoey, I will absolutely hate it if MC independent of player choice is in doubt, after moving on in less then 3 months to Josephine. It will be the cheapest of cheap dramas, telenovela writers will probably sue and hurt DPC's business over this weak sauce.

Edit. I am not dismissing first love nostalgia/doubts, those are ok, we've all been there, but we haven't thrown away our proper relationship with the local striper because of it.

 

[ffive]

On the subject of face-sitting, people seem to be overlooking a very valid possibility of Zoey-Sage pairing. Sage evidently doesn't mind watching MC fuck other girls, and she can bond with Zoey over getting guitar lessons from Fuckface. Plus, blue/orange is classic color pairing few artists can resist

 

[NebulousShooter]

On the subject of face-sitting, people seem to be overlooking a very valid possibility of Zoey-Sage pairing. Sage evidently doesn't mind watching MC fuck other girls, and she can bond with Zoey over getting guitar lessons from Fuckface. Plus, blue/orange is classic color pairing few artists can resist

Apparently its one of the October customs, but you are too cheap to spare a measly 75$ for our enjoyment

 

[ffive]

Apparently its one of the October customs, but you are too cheap to spare a measly 75$ for our enjoyment

I am a terrible being who hurts DPC's business

 

[felicemastronzo]

Not gonna lie, as much as I like Zoey, I will absolutely hate it if MC independent of player choice is in doubt, after moving on in less then 3 months to Josephine. It will be the cheapest of cheap dramas, telenovela writers will probably sue and hurt DPC's business over this weak sauce.

in the next chapter they will meet, we don't know when, probably after the halloween party, so toward the end of the chapter.

to me it seems impossible it will be resolved with a "no, thank you, as if I agreed."
so then (either in the ninth or tenth) there will be a moment of clarification, where Zoey will explain to him why she ghosted him at one point, MC will probably apologize for believing Emma's post...

at which point MC will take his pause for thought, with the eventual LI wanting to give him space to decide, as Zoey is such an important figure in his life
the chosen LI will probably interact directly with Zoey (with her clothes on ) in a moment of female solidarity like that between Jill and Josy in the bathroom

I don't see many alternatives, of course it will be quite ridiculous in the case of an MC who didn't choose anyone or was discarded at the last minute by Jill, but we'll see, at leisure next year

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Not gonna lie, as much as I like Zoey, I will absolutely hate it if MC independent of player choice is in doubt, after moving on in less then 3 months to Josephine. It will be the cheapest of cheap dramas, telenovela writers will probably sue and hurt DPC's business over this weak sauce.

Edit. I am not dismissing first love nostalgia/doubts, those are ok, we've all been there, but we haven't thrown away our proper relationship with the local striper because of it.

If we assume that BaDIK is a multiverse, then in one of the variations (saves) Tremolo will restore relations with Zoey. It's possible.

UPD:
Hell, if you think about it, the BaDIK timeline is incredibly huge and branched, and 10 saves for all possible options will not be enough. This scheme I made is quite primitive and only takes into account the choice of girls, ignoring for the most part the key DIK/CHICK points. This game is huge.
It's very possible to go back to Zoey if you were rejected by one of your MGs.

 

[ename144]

I think someone on the off-topic thread said DPC usually only starts grabbing names for the Patreon credit screen when the release is about a month out. Still, he also said that rate of progress for it to be completed by late November is (paraphrasing) very doubtful.

DPC clearly thinks the end is in sight; he's ticking down a list of what's left to complete, he's hoping to pose the final animations, and as you say he's organizing the Patreon credits. So I think we really are in the final stages of development, it's just a question of how long that will take, which seems likely to come down to the animation queue.

Currently we seem to be heading for an early-ish December release. We might just be able to hit the end of November if rendering to continues to accelerate and DPC edits tightly, but I don't think that's realistically going to happen. I also don't think late December is likely since I doubt DPC wants to handle a release in the middle of the holidays. So my guess is he'll either push to get it out in the first half of December or release it just after the new year. But those are just guesses.

Well, I feel the opposite. I think ep. 7 is fine (and the free roam party is great) and ep. 8 is great.

A lot of important and very important things finally happened in episode 8, so why is it a letdown?

Did you really miss my wall of text explaining the letdown?

To summarize, it mostly comes down to two things: I thought the crossroads was a mess and I don't like where the game seems to be going in Season 3.

On the crossroads, DPC wanted a big decision moment, but he did a lousy job pacing the various paths to get to that point. DPC ducked out of showing the MC formalize things with Maya and Josy because he wanted that moronic 'twist' with the Burkes. So the throuple has effectively been stalled for the whole of Season 2. Sage's path was twisted into a pretzel because DPC had advanced the fuck buddies route too quickly (hence the infamous 'rebound guy' concern coming out of nowhere to cool it off) and hadn't developed the friendship route enough (hence the MC going from zero to 3-out-of-5 in a single party). [Oh, and Sage had to timeshare her only sex scene in Episode 8 with Quinn, which is unconscionable! ] Bella's path would be fine... except that the MC flat out refuses to ask WTF happened to her husband, as though that's a minor concern. Jill's path is the only one that works from a pacing point of view - and that still required slogging through Tybalt's blackmail bullshit so Jill winds up looking like an imbecile.

All of those problems with the crossroad were then magnified by the way the episode ended. First, we get that miserable one-size-fits-all 'twist' where the MC craps his pants because Sage is a Burke. An MC who fucked his new girlfriend's mom and slugged her brother has the same reaction as an MC who realized his friend's mom is his teacher. Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

I really cannot overemphasize how colossal a mistake that was. You don't force the player to make a (supposedly) huge, long-lasting decision hinging on our past actions and then railroad us into a panic attack that ignores the glaring differences our past actions make to the situation at hand. That one move completely undercut all the good will DPC had built up reflecting our choices in small dialogues or altered scenes, all for a dumb twist plenty of us saw coming a season away. Clearly our decisions don't matter.

Second, we get the return of Zoey, and in particular we get the Interlude. To me this signals that Season 3 isn't going to be about the MC and his chosen girl trying to make a go of the new relationship, it's going to be about the MC second guessing his decision at the crossroads. Sure, at first glance those seem to be two sides of the same coin, but I see it as a matter of emphasis. Zoey doesn't need her own side game if she's just going to be a factor in the MC's new situation, she needs the Interlude if she's going to be the factor in it.

Combine that with the fact Episode 9 is titled 'Vixens,' and it sure seems like DPC expects us as players to be torn up second guessing ourselves. Well, I'm just not. I made my choice ages ago and I've been waiting for the game to catch up; the thought that I'll have to slog through yet another season of limbo to get there is... off-putting. It should be up to us whether the MC second guesses his call at the crossroads - and even if DPC pulls rank and makes the MC sulk again, we need a chance to experience the changes his decision caused before we worry about branches not taken.

Basically, Episode 8 gave me the impression DPC is too invested in the small set pieces at the cost of the overall narrative flow of the game. The set pieces can still be a lot of fun, but they don't build into something larger. They just happen in a vacuum and we shouldn't worry about the convolutions necessary to get to the next piece. DPC won't let us make real choices because he's afraid we'll miss the good bits, and thus he undermines the illusion of choice that makes the game so enjoyable.

My ultimate complaint about Acting Lessons is that it felt like it was less than the sum of its parts; I'd hate to see something similar happen to BaDIK. You are, of course, free to disagree, but that's how I see it right now. I'll still be thrilled to be proven wrong.

I can't even imagine that someone does not like the latest episodes, for me Episode 7 and 8 are great. The game has grown a lot in quality, both visually and in narrative. Maybe someone didn't like that DPC gave the player an ultimatum in Episode 8 - choose your MG or not at all. This gameplay decision may cause dissatisfaction among some players, I agree.

See above. And to be clear I still liked Episode 8, it just killed a lot of my enthusiasm for Season 3. I've gone from "I can't wait to see more!" to "...please don't fuck this up." Which has not made the wait for Episode 9 particularly enjoyable.

 

[Darkwen]

Zoey has a nice ass and I want to see that ass sitting on Maya's face

It's not crazy that Zoey and Maya could have a thing for each other. A 4some with MC Josy, Maya and Zoey might be hard to pull off I don't Zoey and Josy will like each other at first. I mean after all Zoey leaves MC see's Josy and likes Zoey who?

 

[AchedCroissant]

shhh

let him dream, don't be rude

Come to think of it, doesn't Zoey tell Emma in the Interlude she isn't interested in girls, though? Or am remembering it wrong, it's been a while.

The only scene where the topic is mentioned It's when you choose who to send to Emma's pics

A guy (Brett, Jonah) or a girl (Jenna)

So Zoey's sexuality wasn't really talked about...

Because all the conversation is about Jenna's sexuality.

 

[NebulousShooter]

DPC clearly thinks the end is in sight; he's ticking down a list of what's left to complete, he's hoping to pose the final animations, and as you say he's organizing the Patreon credits. So I think we really are in the final stages of development, it's just a question of how long that will take, which seems likely to come down to the animation queue.

Currently we seem to be heading for an early-ish December release. We might just be able to hit the end of November if rendering to continues to accelerate and DPC edits tightly, but I don't think that's realistically going to happen. I also don't think late December is likely since I doubt DPC wants to handle a release in the middle of the holidays. So my guess is he'll either push to get it out in the first half of December or release it just after the new year. But those are just guesses.




Did you really miss my wall of text explaining the letdown?

To summarize, it mostly comes down to two things: I thought the crossroads was a mess and I don't like where the game seems to be going in Season 3.

On the crossroads, DPC wanted a big decision moment, but he did a lousy job pacing the various paths to get to that point. DPC ducked out of showing the MC formalize things with Maya and Josy because he wanted that moronic 'twist' with the Burkes. So the throuple has effectively been stalled for the whole of Season 2. Sage's path was twisted into a pretzel because DPC had advanced the fuck buddies route too quickly (hence the infamous 'rebound guy' concern coming out of nowhere to cool it off) and hadn't developed the friendship route enough (hence the MC going from zero to 3-out-of-5 in a single party). [Oh, and Sage had to timeshare her only sex scene in Episode 8 with Quinn, which is unconscionable! ] Bella's path would be fine... except that the MC flat out refuses to ask WTF happened to her husband, as though that's a minor concern. Jill's path is the only one that works from a pacing point of view - and that still required slogging through Tybalt's blackmail bullshit so Jill winds up looking like an imbecile.

All of those problems with the crossroad were then magnified by the way the episode ended. First, we get that miserable one-size-fits-all 'twist' where the MC craps his pants because Sage is a Burke. An MC who fucked his new girlfriend's mom and slugged her brother has the same reaction as an MC who realized his friend's mom is his teacher. Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

I really cannot overemphasize how colossal a mistake that was. You don't force the player to make a (supposedly) huge, long-lasting decision hinging on our past actions and then railroad us into a panic attack that ignores the glaring differences our past actions make to the situation at hand. That one move completely undercut all the good will DPC had built up reflecting our choices in small dialogues or altered scenes, all for a dumb twist plenty of us saw coming a season away. Clearly our decisions don't matter.

On top of that, we get the return of Zoey, and in particular we get the Interlude. To me this signals that Season 3 isn't going to be about the MC and his chosen girl trying to make a go of the new relationship, it's going to be about the MC second guessing his decision at the crossroads. Sure, at first glance those seem to be two sides of the same coin, but I see it as a matter of emphasis. Zoey doesn't need her own side game if she's just going to be a factor in the MC's new situation, she needs the Interlude if she's going to be the factor in it.

Combine that with the fact Episode 9 is titled 'Vixens,' and it sure seems like DPC expects us as players to be torn up second guessing ourselves. Well, I'm just not. I made my choice ages ago and I've been waiting for the game to catch up; the thought that I'll have to slog through yet another season of limbo to get there is... off-putting. It should be up to us whether the MC second guesses his call at the crossroads - and even if DPC pulls rank and makes the MC sulk again, we need a chance to experience the changes his decision caused before we worry about branches not taken.

Basically, Episode 8 gave me the impression DPC is too invested in the small set pieces of the game at the cost of the overall narrative flow. The set pieces can still be a lot of fun, but they don't build into something larger. They just happen in a vacuum and we shouldn't worry about the convolutions necessary to get to the next piece. DPC won't let us make real choices because he's afraid we'll miss the good bits, and thus he undermines the illusion of choice that makes the game so enjoyable. My ultimate complaint about Acting Lessons is that it felt like it was less than the sum of its parts; I'd hate to see something similar happen to BaDIK.

You are, of course, free to disagree, but that's how I see it right now. I'll still be thrilled to be proven wrong.



See above. And to be clear I still liked Episode 8, it just killed a lot of my enthusiasm for Season 3. I've gone from "I can't wait to see more!" to "...please don't fuck this up." Which has not made the wait for Episode 9 particularly enjoyable.

Other than his disdain for Bella, Quinn, Jaye , Amanda I usually agree with ename

It's not crazy that Zoey and Maya could have a thing for each other. A 4some with MC Josy, Maya and Zoey might be hard to pull off I don't Zoey and Josy will like each other at first. I mean after all Zoey leaves MC see's Josy and likes Zoey who?

We are still waiting for a proper threesome and you decided to reach for the sky?

 

[Darkwen]

Other than his disdain for Bella, Quinn, Jaye , Amanda I usually agree with ename



We are still waiting for a proper threesome and you decided to reach for the sky?

what can I say I like to aim big, aim for a 4some and get a amazing 3some thats a win in my book

 

[AchedCroissant]

It's not crazy that Zoey and Maya could have a thing for each other. A 4some with MC Josy, Maya and Zoey might be hard to pull off I don't Zoey and Josy will like each other at first. I mean after all Zoey leaves MC see's Josy and likes Zoey who?

A great question I have.

Who does that backpack belong to?

We know it's someone who still can't drink legally so there are at least 3 Li rejected

 

[nyrek]

It's not really betrayal, though. Zoey has a prior claim, she discovered that meaty mountain and climbed it first.

but lipe betraying maya? that's some spanish soap opera level of betrayal

Zoey has a nice ass and I want to see that ass sitting on Maya's face

please, do continue
I hope there's some MC in that story too

It's not really betrayal, though. Zoey has a prior claim, she discovered that meaty mountain and climbed it first.

is this you getting me back for saying jade is my go-to milf?