VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ProxyGist]

I'm not sure, but it looks like cheap sheets from the MC's house...If that's the case, then the final scene will be the scene in the MC's house, as DPС indirectly mentioned.

 

[sampow]

I've seen people saying DPC is milking his fans and I have never agreed with that until now...

I wouldn't say he is milking. He is just his own worst enemy by wanting to do more than the episode that came before. If he were milking the fans... Well.. Go see the latest Milfy City update lol. So long in development with only 2 months of actual work done.

Just because he is actually doing more work doesn't mean he isn't milking it...

That not milking tho, you agree that he is working right? He is making unnecessary shits like sfw animations, 60fps animations, etc...

I appreciate you responding and outlining your position!

It all comes down to how milker is defined differently. I purposefully used quotation marks around the word "milker" since I don't think he is a milker, simply someone who made a poor choice that comes at the financial cost to his patreons malicious or not.

none of us know DPC's intentions, while it is a fact that all of his latest decisions have gone in the direction of lengthening preparation time, so he is making more money not with quality (which should lead to a visible increase in patreons that are stable) but with the amount of months of subscription collected.

is he doing this because he is an uncontrollable creative genius? may be

the result is that he is asking those who support him to give him more money (the same money, for a longer time), he is asking the same cows for more milk. then you know that cows almost always say yes.

the alibi of poor choices does not hold up
how would these bad choices harm him? absolutely nothing. a little too lucky it seems to me....

You guys are always talking about DPC needing to milk BaDIK like it's some random dude from the street who, with a huge amount of luck, ended up getting thousands and thousands of dollars monthly for his work on Patreon. It's not a coincidence.

If that was his first game, sure. But Acting Lessons, albeit a lot smaller in size, is regarded as a visual novel with one of the best stories that took people by the gut. BaDIK seems to be a huge leap forward and while I don't think he's gonna progressively make more and more money, I don't think it's gonna change after BaDIK ends.

Sure, many people will unsubscribe, but a lot of them will hang around to see what other great things AL and BaDIK creator has in store. A lot of the time, when you hear it's from the creators of Elden Ring or Skyrim you get excited, no matter what the genre or type of the game.

C'mon bro, I can take the milking talk from others but not from you, you should know better.

When he banked half a $mill for Season 1 on steam and then between $3 and $15mill for Season 2, it removed money entirely from his decision making process.

He knows Season 3 will set him up for life, Season 4 will do the same for his kids and the inevitable full game remaster will make him rich beyond his wildest dreams. And that's JUST steam, it doesn't even include all the other plattforms.

There is only one single metric that decides when a new Episode will release, and that's whenever DPC is happy with it, nothing else matters to him anymore.

He will never stop pushing the envelope each and every episode, because this is it, his magnum opus. He would have to be a special kind of stupid, and while he is many things, stupid isn't one of them, to not ride the BaD train to Neverland and start a new game after BaD.

So you were right a few months back when we discussed a Sep. 15th release date, we really are too old for this shit

So all this milking talk...

I'll call him a milker in jest, but I don't believe it's necessarily true. DPC's work ethic, as observed from his consistent output since the conception of AL, shows that he is a driven man who can produced high quality products in this field.

After AL, DPC set his sights very high, and he knew he was up for several years of production. The issue here is that as time goes by, technology increases and with that, so does DPC's ambition.

So from our perspective, the development is starting to just drag on, but from DPC's perspective, he is putting out higher and higher quality.

It may result in this game being completed around 2030. And thinking about that now, that's a daunting wait! But for anyone picking the game up when it's complete without enduring this wait, it'll be a fucking good game. It'll be something that DPC will be proud of (as much as you can be proud of a game focusing on people fucking each other).

Actual milking would be to try to squeeze every last dollar out of the game, that would be like going back and remastering the whole game once it's finished, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, if people want it, they'll pay for it. A bad example of that is remastering older episodes before even finishing the game, that kind of milking is just unethical.

Then there's what he-who-shall-not-be-named did: Just stop production completely and still accept people's donations, and then throwing them a bone when they start to realise nothing's being done. That's not even milking, that's just outright theft, but if idiots wanna keep subscribing to someone like that, it's on them.

So is DPC adding all these animations and increasing the quality in order to prolong the development in order to rake in millions more? Or is he a fucking psycho who loves doing this shit and just can't control himself when it comes to making each episode bigger and (arguably) better than the previous one?

He's a fucking psycho. That's my take.

 

[Orgitas]

He's a fucking psycho. That's my take.

I think that is probably the most accurate take. You'd have to be have so many PCs with 4090s and churn out 75,000+ renders just for one episode. Dude is insane.

 

[Matt2012021]

Funny we get a preview picture right after a weekly update when the last time this happened guess DPC trying to apologize for a shitty weekly report

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

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Finally something worthwhile.

DPC: so, too much shitstorm due to the drama of yesterday's status report. I’ll calm down the peasants a bit and give them a really good preview. Am I not a genius?

 

[SirDawcio]

So all this milking talk...

I'll call him a milker in jest, but I don't believe it's necessarily true. DPC's work ethic, as observed from his consistent output since the conception of AL, shows that he is a driven man who can produced high quality products in this field.

After AL, DPC set his sights very high, and he knew he was up for several years of production. The issue here is that as time goes by, technology increases and with that, so does DPC's ambition.

So from our perspective, the development is starting to just drag on, but from DPC's perspective, he is putting out higher and higher quality.

It may result in this game being completed around 2030. And thinking about that now, that's a daunting wait! But for anyone picking the game up when it's complete without enduring this wait, it'll be a fucking good game. It'll be something that DPC will be proud of (as much as you can be proud of a game focusing on people fucking each other).

Actual milking would be to try to squeeze every last dollar out of the game, that would be like going back and remastering the whole game once it's finished, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, if people want it, they'll pay for it. A bad example of that is remastering older episodes before even finishing the game, that kind of milking is just unethical.

Then there's what he-who-shall-not-be-named did: Just stop production completely and still accept people's donations, and then throwing them a bone when they start to realise nothing's being done. That's not even milking, that's just outright theft, but if idiots wanna keep subscribing to someone like that, it's on them.

So is DPC adding all these animations and increasing the quality in order to prolong the development in order to rake in millions more? Or is he a fucking psycho who loves doing this shit and just can't control himself when it comes to making each episode bigger and (arguably) better than the previous one?

He's a fucking psycho. That's my take.

Oh you're 100% correct. I'm similar in that sense and I know for a fact that DPC is a psycho-perfectionist. I'm doing around 40-second music edit for Being a Dik and I've already spent 3 months of my free time here and there to change it or make it better.

Oh, but I can use that render. Nope, it's not good enough; keep changing. What if instead of that simple beginning, I will Photoshop it? Yeah, I can render it now and be done with it, move on, but what if people watch it and dislike it? What if they don't care?

Stuff like that constantly in my mind. I don't know if DPC is as anxious as I am but he is a freaking perfectionist no doubt about it. Psycho one.

 

[TomUK]

Milking, hmm.

I started a new game 2 days ago, I played the first couple of episodes on Thursday, took a few hours to play, then yesterday I played up to just after the mansion getting trashed and their first visit to the old people's home, I think the end of episode 5, start of episode 6. I started playing around midday and didn't stop, except for a couple of breaks to eat, until 1am in the morning, so it basically took 13 hours to play though 3 and a bit episodes and that's without mini games and I'm still nowhere near starting season 3 yet, which I think is Episode 9.

I've played many 'finished' mainstream games that haven't taken that long to play through, this game has given me plenty of hours of laughs and tears and has pulled a few heart strings along the way, it's probably the only game on this website where the length of time between updates has never really been a problem for me, because I know when it does drop I will probably have hours of fun playing it.

 

[PereFourreAss]

Milking, hmm.

I started a new game 2 days ago, I played the first couple of episodes on Thursday, took a few hours to play, then yesterday I played up to just after the mansion getting trashed and their first visit to the old people's home, I think the end of episode 5, start of episode 6. I started playing around midday and didn't stop, except for a couple of breaks to eat, until 1am in the morning, so it basically took 13 hours to play though 3 and a bit episodes and that's without mini games and I'm still nowhere near starting season 3 yet, which I think is Episode 9.

I've played many 'finished' mainstream games that haven't taken that long to play through, this game has given me plenty of hours of laughs and tears and has pulled a few heart strings along the way, it's probably the only game on this website where the length of time between updates has never really been a problem for me, because I know when it does drop I will probably have hours of fun playing it.

I feel you, that game gets you hooked, the kind of game you take a day off when the new episode is out

But once you're finished you're gonna go through the agonizing wait like all of us

 

[TomUK]

I feel you, that game gets you hooked, the kind of game you take a day off when the new episode is out

But once you're finished you're gonna live the agonizing wait like all of us

Like said, I started a new game, played through it a number of times already, this isn't my first run-through, but the point was that it still takes hours to get through the game.

 

[Lethal Flourish]

Although I’m annoyed as much as the rest of you guys over this 60fps revelation, at least DPC mentioned how the fps increase improves the “jiggle”.

Spoiler: I am nothing if not partial to to tits in motions

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Sampow got some nice tits lmao

 

[PereFourreAss]

Like said, I started a new game, played through it a number of times already, this isn't my first run-through, but the point was that it still takes hours to get through the game.

My bad, thought it was your first playthrough, I envy those who discovered the game recently

 

[Lethal Flourish]

i have 2. 760

Mine is made of cardboard

 

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Burke jacking off to his daughter getting fucked I guess

 

[Orgitas]

Burke jacking off to his daughter getting fucked I guess

 

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[yossa999]

Milking, hmm.

I started a new game 2 days ago, I played the first couple of episodes on Thursday, took a few hours to play, then yesterday I played up to just after the mansion getting trashed and their first visit to the old people's home, I think the end of episode 5, start of episode 6. I started playing around midday and didn't stop, except for a couple of breaks to eat, until 1am in the morning, so it basically took 13 hours to play though 3 and a bit episodes and that's without mini games and I'm still nowhere near starting season 3 yet, which I think is Episode 9.

I've played many 'finished' mainstream games that haven't taken that long to play through, this game has given me plenty of hours of laughs and tears and has pulled a few heart strings along the way, it's probably the only game on this website where the length of time between updates has never really been a problem for me, because I know when it does drop I will probably have hours of fun playing it.

Yeah, sometimes, after finishing yet another playthrough, I feel so milked that I can barely contain the urge to find that nasty milker, wherever he is hiding, and scream right in his face: “Shut up, bitch, and take my money!"

 

[SirDawcio]

I'm not sure, but it looks like cheap sheets from the MC's house...If that's the case, then the final scene will be the scene in the MC's house, as DPС indirectly mentioned.

When did DPC hinted episode will end at MC's house?

I think that is probably the most accurate take. You'd have to be have so many PCs with 4090s and churn out 75,000+ renders just for one episode. Dude is insane.

You cannot do such a huge project alone without being a little crazy or like Johnny Silverhand likes to put it "fucked in the head"

 

[Orgitas]

When did DPC hinted episode will end at MC's house?



You cannot do such a huge project alone without being a little crazy or like Johnny Silverhand likes to put it "fucked in the head"

 

[360 Danny DeVitos Later]

Just because he is actually doing more work doesn't mean he isn't milking it. If he cut some unnessary filler, reduced the amount and length of animations he could be back to 6 months per update. If the game ends at episode 20 he could be done in 5 years and then lose his BADIK money but if he adds in some filler and makes animations longer and slightly better he can add 5 years on to the game and have an extra 5 years of all that BADIK money before he has to create a new game that may halve his monthly income.

I'm not trying to bash the guy because I and 99% of the world would do the same thing if we were in his position. If you are making an entertainment product that needs to have an end at some point and it is currently making 10k a month why end it in 5 years and create something new that could make 2k a month when you can drag each episode out to double the time. I'm sure everyone would rather have 10k a month for 10 years rather than 10k for 5 years and then possibly 2k a month for 5 years or even have to go back to a full time job.

He's kinda an egotistical nob but he's not a scammer or a milker his Patreon seem fine with the time taken and they're the ones that matter not us pirates and fuck even most pirates on here seem to love him. He also adds more workload not less, scammers don't tend to do that. The problem is more how Patreon development works (especially successful ones) combined with peoples belief that giving creators a completely free reign and no limits automatically = better game. Devs have little risk of running out of $$$ so release isn't an urgency as their life and dev are funded and secure so compared to most indie devs there's no real pressure to get it done. Which is why so many porn games take 5+ years to make and get bigger and bigger in scope (there are games from when I joined F95 that still are not done). A dev has little reason to focus or reign themselves in so they can adopt I do what i want with my baby and it's done when it's done attitudes. Thing is that doesn't necessarily mean a better game is made, anyone that's seen a kickstarter clusterfuck happen can vouch that focus and limits are not remotely bad things even for talented creators. Time will tell if DPC or BAD goes completely off the rails, hopefully not.

Stuff like DnG in AVNs is an example of this. Does a college game really need a fucking fantasy or space segment? Does it make the game better compared to if work had gone into the actual meat of a VN it's plot and chars? I'd say no but the devs dick got hard at the idea of creating fantasy or space shenanigans so here you are. Any desire, impulse or idea a dev has is getting done. It's how you end up with stuff like DnG or a dev working on two games and wanting to do 32 parts.

Could DPC finish this game faster? 100%. Will he? FUCK NO he literally has free reign to make what he wants how he wants. The time will take longer and longer between updates and this doesn't look like it'll be finished until 2027 at the earliest. Patreon dev has upsides and downsides, the fact is the free reign given to devs by it will often equal long dev times. That kind of is what it is because the only people that could make a dev do it quicker are his patrons but DPC's Patreon usually looks like a 24/7 DPC suck off session so....
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[ProxyGist]

You guys are just misinterpreting the meaning of the word milker.
Who's a milker? It's a dude who intentionally extracts money from his fans while providing content of much lower quality. Is DPC a milker? No. All of his episodes are of high quality and are the benchmark for the AVN genre. His games have inspired a huge number of artists and developers, and he is the one they are trying to emulate.
If he's not a milker, who is? How does one feel about his recent actions and words?
This is a guy who is really bored of making regular AVN. With each new episode he wants to bring something new and different, how much it is justified is a separate question. I don't think he does it intentionally. His approach is that he tries something new, says to himself "wow, that looks cool" and adds it to the game. He doesn't worry about deadlines because he's confident in his financial well-being. Clearly, this approach without any control will bite him in the ass sooner or later. Probably as soon as his financial well-being deteriorates, he will reconsider his approach to development, optimizing the process. 13,000 patrons is more than enough to produce an episode once a year.
He's obviously not a milker, he's just a guy who writes a book without an editor or producer. With mistakes, obvious bad pacing and how successful this book will be time will tell.