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felicemastronzo said:
in my opinion, if Helen dies, Patrick may well end up in jail.Helen's death would be a badass dramatic moment, and also quite sudden considering that the most likely scenario is that Badik does not go beyond his freshman year of college.

I see more of a scenario where Helen realizes what is happening to her family and forces Patrick to see the evil he is doing

not quite so... Patrick has every reason to make peace with his daughter and stop tyrannizing over her life, especially if as it seems from l flashback this religious fixation is not even his directly but a reflection of Helen.


if there is no such assumption there is no point in seeking a reconciliation, if Patrick cannot be a father to Maya unless hard defeated there is no value in recovering him
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Why would Helen's death result in Patrick going to jail. Most likely he will read her will and introspect himself and this is how Tuition money story arc ends. Neither of the twins want their father to be jailed.
 
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Ricthequick said:
Now that I think about it, does the MC (or anyone else) ever even take into consideration using some rubber? :unsure:
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MC complains about having to use one with Jill until he gets checked out if you're on her path, otherwise not really.

Someone comments during the Hell Week party about them, but it's very clear that everyone is doing each other raw.
 
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Krytax123 said:
Pretty sure the whole patrick situation will resolve itself (like most "problems" in badik really). Helen will die, Patrick will read her latter and realize how misguided he was all the time as helen doesnt even mentions grandkids (but ask him to always take care of their kids) and will have a mental breakdown, maybe even close to suicide.

Afterwards he will just continue to pay for maya and dereks tutition (i dont think there ever was a loan) and probably need their support to be even able to keep going.

Thats my assumption at least
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Yeah, all those loan papers pointed medical loans and business loans, he just lied to them to keep them in leash. There is no loan to begin with probably, his first promise with Helen was to have them graduate.
 
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Arctic Crusader said:
MC complains about having to use one with Jill until he gets checked out if you're on her path, otherwise not really.

Someone comments during the Hell Week party about them, but it's very clear that everyone is doing each other raw.
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Maybe it's for future if MC cheats on Jill with someone he will get STD and this is how Jill will find out.
 
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Riaman said:
Why would Helen's death result in Patrick going to jail. Most likely he will read her will and introspect himself and this is how Tuition money story arc ends. Neither of the twins want their father to be jailed.
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not as a direct consequence, but as an opportunity.

as long as Helen is alive, Patrick cannot go to jail, otherwise it would be up to Derek and Maya to take care of her.

But if Helen were to die, the confrontation between Maya and Patrick could become even harder
 
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felicemastronzo said:
not as a direct consequence, but as an opportunity.

as long as Helen is alive, Patrick cannot go to jail, otherwise it would be up to Derek and Maya to take care of her.

But if Helen were to die, the confrontation between Maya and Patrick could become even harder
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Man you really think he is a cartoonish evil caricature figure don't you? Derek said he is a broken man but they still care for him. No way he will do something horrible to be jailed nor the twins want it.
 
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Riaman said:
Man you really think he is a cartoonish evil caricature figure don't you? Derek said he is a broken man but they still care for him. No way he will do something horrible to be jailed nor the twins want it.
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you got distracted...

he has already done several terrible things including physically abusing his daughter, deceiving her and blackmailing her


what should he do that is "more" terrible? kill Franz the bunny?
 
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felicemastronzo said:
not quite so... Patrick has every reason to make peace with his daughter and stop tyrannizing over her life, especially if as it seems from l flashback this religious fixation is not even his directly but a reflection of Helen.


if there is no such assumption there is no point in seeking a reconciliation, if Patrick cannot be a father to Maya unless hard defeated there is no value in recovering him
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My point is that while Patrick might want to make peace with Maya, currently he's still convinced he's in the right and has time on his hands for her to come around. Any number of things could cause that to change, and one of them is Maya freeing herself from his manipulation.

Let's not forget that it's not just what effectively is financial blackmail, but also physical abuse that he has to atone for. Maya would be 100% in her right to cut him out from her life. Frankly, if he really wants to reconcile with her, it needs to be done when she's no longer under his control in any way. Otherwise, there's always an element of possible coercion in her "accepting" his apology.
 
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My point is that while Patrick might want to make peace with Maya, currently he's still convinced he's in the right and has time on his hands for her to come around. Any number of things could cause that to change, and one of them is Maya freeing herself from his manipulation.

Let's not forget that it's not just what effectively is financial blackmail, but also physical abuse that he has to atone for. Maya would be 100% in her right to cut him out from her life. Frankly, if he really wants to reconcile with her, it needs to be done when she's no longer under his control in any way. Otherwise, there's always an element of possible coercion in her "accepting" his apology.
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if she breaks free from blackmail, why should Maya accept Patrick's apology?

apologies have value if they are a choice, not if you have no other option. Patrick must accept his daughter's will, not give in to the fact that he no longer has a means of controlling her
 
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felicemastronzo said:
if she breaks free from blackmail, why should Maya accept Patrick's apology?

apologies have value if they are a choice, not if you have no other option. Patrick must accept his daughter's will, not give in to the fact that he no longer has a means of controlling her
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Precisely. If Maya only accepts his apology because the blackmail is there than it's not real. Maya shouldn't have a reason to forgive him other than she believes he's genuinely remorseful, he's making concrete efforts to be better, and most importantly because she wants to.

If you want real forgiveness and reconciliation, it needs to come from a place where Maya is free to forgive him or not without external pressures. So long as the blackmail is in place, she's not free. Either she needs to break free, or Patrick needs to relent and free her himself before seeking forgiveness.
 
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Rehwyn said:
Precisely. If Maya only accepts his apology because the blackmail is there than it's not real. Maya shouldn't have a reason to forgive him other than she believes he's genuinely remorseful, he's making concrete efforts to be better, and most importantly because she wants to.

If you want real forgiveness and reconciliation, it needs to come from a place where Maya is free to forgive him or not without external pressures. So long as the blackmail is in place, she's not free. Either she needs to break free, or Patrick needs to relent and free her himself before seeking forgiveness.
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your perspective seems to me upside down.

if her father has not even freedom from blackmail to offer her why should Maya accept his apology?

Patrick is the one in the wrong, he must have something to offer to have forgiveness if he was defeated and without any power. as reparation for what he put her through
it is not Maya who accepts the apology to be free of blackmail, but her father who frees her from his blackmail to be deserving of forgiveness
 
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