VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[grarg]

The first 2 are variables that contribute to either having the choice to reject Zoey or auto-reject Zoey. None of those variables are canon. MC's confession at the BBQ, subsequent double down at her mother's house, Sage's conversation with Jill & Zoey's confession are canon.

Yes, and there are many more within the context to allow for auto-reject, meaning the player has choice in determining the level of rejection, and thus attitude toward Zoey. You can be friendly toward her rejection to the point of choosing it yourself, or not even care to the point of the system rejecting her. Either way, she gets rejected in this line of thinking.

This has nothing to do with Sage, or any other Path you're on (obviously save Zoey's), nor should it. Nor is it some personal conversation to have with anyone after the fact. It is a non-issue. She is not a factor in his Main Girl/Main Path, outside of being a potential mistress in Sage's threesomes, which seems highly unlikely.

I'm not the one advocating for telling Sage unnecessary information. My thoughts is to wait to deal with the fallout from Zoey when/if it becomes a problem. Being premature in discussing this with Sage is only going to cause more harm.

There is no problem, outside of Zoey becoming a Josy, and whatever further nonsense is coming up with that.

After rejecting her, MC sends Zoey a text stating he still wants to be friends with her. That happens regardless of how you reject her. How is he going to still be friends with her if he's told Sage that Zoey confessed love for him? Sage is more likely to put an ultimatum on Tremolo that involves his relationship with Zoey.

Gee, the same way he's been friends with her ever since she came back? The same way he described her to Sage when he said he was going to hang out with her? The way the tomboy has been described as "just one of the guys", as she always has?

Sage has no authority with MC's platonic relationships. She either trusts him (which she said she does), or she doesn't. Since she does, this is a non-factor. The only thing affecting this would be whatever DPC intended to do with accruing Cheating Points, which would be player choice. The MC will continue to be popular and have lots of friends, including Maya and Josy (who can also be ex-girlfriends of the MC.) He will continue to host parties, and flirt with girls, and have girls flirt back. This is normal and known to everyone. If Zoey is a MP/MG, even if not on her Path, there's a chance she could become part of the new Family that Sage wants. But who knows what Rejected Zoey does in the narrative anymore. She may just get Monafied.

Like so many other threads started, DPC could just forget about them.

MC telling someone that he rejected Zoey is irrelevant. "I didn't do something." Wow, great talk MC. Now go get Best Girl something she actually wants: another threesome.

 

[Chillout1984]

Sage has no authority with MC's platonic relationships. She either trusts him (which she said she does), or she doesn't. Since she does, this is a non-factor. The only thing affecting this would be whatever DPC intended to do with accruing Cheating Points, which would be player choice. The MC will continue to be popular and have lots of friends, including Maya and Josy (who can also be ex-girlfriends of the MC.) If Zoey is a MP/MG, there's a chance she could become part of the new Family that Sage wants. But who knows what Rejected Zoey does in the narrative anymore. She may just get Monafied.

She says that she does trust MC but does not trust Zoey. That might become a problem in the future if MC doesn't come clean about the confession soon.

 

[dontehall2023]

Yes they have an understanding, but that doesn't mean Sage won't be suspicious about it. She just came out of a relationship she was cheated on. Those suspicious feelings aren't just gone after one conversation, no matter how much you want it.

I don't disagree with you. Sage has trust issues now because of her situation with Chad. Tremolo wants to still be friends with Zoey after rejecting her. I see no scenario that exists by telling Sage about Zoey's confession.

All he's going to get, besides I'm assuming a clear conscience is an ultimatum. Sage's trust issues with Zoey are not going to go away because he told her what she said. If anything it will cause her to distrust Zoey more. And in her mind, with Zoey going to B&R, it's a matter of when instead of if. She had that train of thought before she knows Zoey is going to be attending B&R.

 

[Chillout1984]

I don't disagree with you. Sage has trust issues now because of her situation with Chad. Tremolo wants to still be friends with Zoey after rejecting her. I see no scenario that exists by telling Sage about Zoey's confession.

All he's going to get, besides I'm assuming a clear conscience is an ultimatum. Sage's trust issues with Zoey are not going to go away because he told her what she said. If anything it will cause her to distrust Zoey more. And in her mind, with Zoey going to B&R, it's a matter of when instead of if. She had that train of thought before she knows Zoey is going to be attending B&R.

True, but hopefully those trust issues will become less if Sage tries to become friends with Zoey, no matter how hard it is.
I also wonder how she will react about Josy if Sage finds out she (and possibly even MC if you choose to do so) still talks with MC that she has feelings for him and periodically talk about something among the lines of "I'm still thinking about you" or "what could have been" xD

 

[grarg]

She says that she does trust MC but does not trust Zoey. That might become a problem in the future if MC doesn't come clean about the confession soon.

So Sage's problem is with Zoey, not the MC?
Well, the MC shut Zoey down.
Thus, the MC doesn't have to say anything. Because ZOEY IS IRRELEVANT in this scenario. There is no conflict. There WAS, but after the phone call, MC and Sage understand each other.

MC does not have to act like a blabbermouth, reporting to Sage like a gossiping old woman, over every single female interaction he has when they show him affection.

 

[Chillout1984]

So Sage's problem is with Zoey, not the MC?
Well, the MC shut Zoey down.
Thus, the MC doesn't have to say anything. Because ZOEY IS IRRELEVANT in this scenario. There is no conflict. There WAS, but after the phone call, MC and Sage understand each other.

MC does not have to act like a blabbermouth, reporting to Sage like a gossiping old woman, over every single female interaction he has when they show him affection.

I disagree. Zoey will become a larger part of MC's life again if she starts at B&R in the spring. Sage prefers honesty, that includes telling her that your old best friend that might become your best friend again has feelings for you. Holding that a secret, especially with Sage's short fuse when it comes to talking about personal issues, will almost certainly bite MC in the ass in the long run if Zoey keeps on staying in his life.

 

[Blurpee69]

So for everyone's Bella paths, and with the hindsight that she bet on you coming over, did you? I'm tempted to not just to toy with her.

 

[dontehall2023]

True, but hopefully those trust issues will become less if Sage tries to become friends with Zoey, no matter how hard it is.
I also wonder how she will react about Josy if Sage finds out she (and possibly even MC if you choose to do so) still talks with MC that she has feelings for him and periodically talk about something among the lines of "I'm still thinking about you" or "what could have been" xD

Sticking to the only canon ex of Zoey & ignoring the fact that it's possible all of The Avengers are his exes. Can you imagine Sage attempting to be friends with Zoey if she learns Zoey still loves him?

Regarding Josy & the pillow fort. If DPC adds this variable for consequences, I can't imagine Sage being okay with both Tremolo & Josy still having feelings for each other. While simultaneously being a part of the Superfriends. I would suspect that revelation would dissolve the Scooby Gang.

 

[Chillout1984]

Sticking to the only canon ex of Zoey & ignoring the fact that it's possible all of The Avengers are his exes. Can you imagine Sage attempting to be friends with Zoey if she learns Zoey still loves him?

Regarding Josy & the pillow fort. If DPC adds this variable for consequences, I can't imagine Sage being okay with both Tremolo & Josy still having feelings for each other. While simultaneously being a part of the Superfriends. I would suspect that revelation would dissolve the Scooby Gang.

About Zoey: That will at most only happen if MC will give her Sage the ultimatum of trying to get along with Zoey or losing the relationship with MC. MC is probably too big of a pussy (except maybe on a DIK affinity) to do this however and he will almost certainly also not want to breakup his friendship with Zoey. The Sage route looks like it's going to become a massive soap opera drama scenario with little to no good results.

And about Josy: It's not just the pillow fort. You can have (almost) the same talk during Halloween and the Thanksgiving BBQ.

 

[grarg]

I disagree. Zoey will become a larger part of MC's life again if she starts at B&R in the spring. Sage prefers honesty, that includes telling her that your old best friend that might become your best friend again has feelings for you. Holding that a secret, especially with Sage's short fuse when it comes to talking about personal issues, will almost certainly bite MC in the ass in the long run if Zoey keeps on staying in his life.

MC does not need to report to his girlfriend on every interaction he has with every girl he comes across. That's insane.

Let's imagine from friends or whatever that Sage finds out about Zoey confessing to the MC.

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Yeah, nothing happens.

Because she knows he has girls dripping over him multiple times a month when he plans a party, including girls she knows, that are into him (Josy, Maya, Camila, Riona, Mel, Sarah, possibly Quinn, the strippers, etc.) This is old news, not relevant, and has already been dealt with as a form of conflict.

Sure, DPC can bring it up and try to fabricate conflict "why didn't you tell me?!" And all this nonsense. But it won't amount to anything, unless he wants to make Sage look childish, petty and stupid.

 

[dontehall2023]

About Zoey: That will at most only happen if MC will give her Sage the ultimatum of trying to get along with Zoey or losing the relationship with MC. MC is probably too big of a pussy (except maybe on a DIK affinity) to do this however and he will almost certainly also not want to breakup his friendship with Zoey. The Sage route looks like it's going to become a massive soap opera drama scenario with little to no good results.

I've been in a situation where I had to give a girlfriend an ultimatum about a female friend. And they attempted to be friends. It worked for a time. But the jealousy never really went away & their "friendship" ended roughly.

That's not to say Sage & Zoey as friends would have a similar unceremoniously end. I also don't see Tremolo working with ultimatums. I would expect that more from Sage.

If I were to give advice to Tremolo, it would be to be patient if he wants to stay friends with Zoey while being in a relationship with Sage.

If his conscience is hurting him to tell Sage about the confession, I only hope DPC makes it a choice to either tell Sage or keep it a secret. Tremolo has a nasty habit of blurting out things without the proper context.

And about Josy: It's not just the pillow fort. You can have (almost) the same talk during Halloween and the Thanksgiving BBQ.

Everything stems from the Halloween talk & snowballs from there. I don't believe you can keep that group together if Sage finds out.

 

[Chillout1984]

If his conscience is hurting him to tell Sage about the confession, I only hope DPC makes it a choice to either tell Sage or keep it a secret. Tremolo has a nasty habit of blurting out things without the proper context.

Yeah, his conscience is a pretty big problem in season 3 and I've got a feeling it will only get worse.
And tremolo not only has a nasty habit of blurting out things without proper context, but also without giving us the choice *COUGH*Heather's BJ*COUGH*

 

[Darkwen]

My eyes! Aaaaagghh!

You see why, Spock. Jill is cute with hugs.
And love that one with Sage. She's a great friend.

And I found. Can count as a hug.
View attachment 4691171

All this hugging is giving me a cavity
but you all did it wrong, this is hugging:

Why thank you Josy but your the awesome one

There you have it hugging Alady style
Alady Alady Alady

 

[dontehall2023]

Yeah, his conscience is a pretty big problem in season 3 and I've got a feeling it will only get worse.
And tremolo not only has a nasty habit of blurting out things without proper context, but also without giving us the choice *COUGH*Heather's BJ*COUGH*

Aside from his inability to explain the throuple to his father properly causing him to go into a deep depression. Spilling the beans on the Heather BJ unprovoked was his worst decision in episode 11. He's most likely a DIK, let him keep his secrets. Screw Tommy. His focus was on Nick. Tremolo was in the clear.

 

[FalconLover420]

What if there is no canon and for some reason, there are parallel universes of being a dik where fuckface has done something and have different canons. Example you have a fuckface that is on canon bella path and another version of fuckface that is on canon bella path and messed around with jill

 

[Chillout1984]

Aside from his inability to explain the throuple to his father properly causing him to go into a deep depression. Spilling the beans on the Heather BJ unprovoked was his worst decision in episode 11. He's most likely a DIK, let him keep his secrets. Screw Tommy. His focus was on Nick. Tremolo was in the clear.

Yeah, but also the way he talked about Bella to his father. I've got a feeling it was more DPC's way to hide a possible connection between Neil and her in any way. I doubt in any other circumstance Tremolo would really think his dad would have that much of a problem with it outside of maybe the initial shock.

 

[treechild1]

I still think there is potential for the first part of chapter 12 to be a tv style medical drama. Derek in one part of the ER, the fallout of the drug bust gone bad with gurneys being wheeled in and crashcarts all around (cops and dealers both)… and Agnes with an ER emergency (maybe even death). This is where you find out who her son is and their connection to B&R. Depending on who got injured in the drug bust (and if MC gets sucked into that drama) you might end up having to prioritize one path over the other, Derek (who will be fine, but wants emotional support), Agnes in her last moments, or the Quinn/Vinny/Buddy/Tommy fallout. It’ll be a hell of a somber Christmas. Maybe they plan something even more special for New Years together to finally (hopefully) start the next year on a positive note. Like I said, call the chapter Resolutions and have them all share and bond even closer than before. IDK. I’m just musing here. Be thankful I’m not writing this shit!

 

[felianMDR]

Sure, DPC can bring it up and try to fabricate conflict "why didn't you tell me?!" And all this nonsense. But it won't amount to anything, unless he wants to make Sage look childish, petty and stupid.

I have feeling he already start doing this. When she talk with Jill about girlfriend can't back to friend status and like she trust MC but don't trust Zoey. look like buildup for some stupid bs

 

[Darkwen]

Loose lips sink ships.

But seriously, this is Sage.

MC: "Hey Sage. 4 girls wanted to jump me, and 2 confessed their love."
Sage: "That's more than last week. Anyone I know?"

She, along with random girls at the parties, know how much in demand the guy is, as per Becky's (and Tara's) conversation. (Although I seriously question her information gathering as the HOTs President, considering what goes on there.)

Telling her about Josy's feelings could matter, as she knows Josy and cares about her. That could turn Josy into a Side Girl. And work along with her blogging/potential OnlyFans path...

Oh dear. Forget I wrote anything.

not sure what you mean by side girl since Josy is a MG, it would seem ep12 is going to be a crossroads part2 so MC could stay on his path or get off of it and get on another in some form. Like throuple going solo or maybe also a path where it last, Sage option (I think you can kiss her even if not on path) Bella and Jill. So if Josy and Maya break up even on others path MC could jump on

 

[felicemastronzo]

About Zoey: That will at most only happen if MC will give her Sage the ultimatum of trying to get along with Zoey or losing the relationship with MC. MC is probably too big of a pussy (except maybe on a DIK affinity) to do this however and he will almost certainly also not want to breakup his friendship with Zoey. The Sage route looks like it's going to become a massive soap opera drama scenario with little to no good results.

And about Josy: It's not just the pillow fort. You can have (almost) the same talk during Halloween and the Thanksgiving BBQ.

let's not hide behind a finger: Sage is right and MC's excuse is worthless, if he believes it he is lying to himself.
a guy who wants to keep his friendship with an ‘ex’ doesn't go and ask her if she somehow reciprocated, that's lighting a fire, not putting it out. if Zoey had said yes (not hiding again before getting the advice of San Diego's worst counselor) how could he get out of it by saving their friendship?

i would have loved for them to go a more natural route, making Zoey MC's best friend again and then making the temptation to try again, , but they didn't go in any way in that direction.

it's not about Sage, all path are pure soap opera.