VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[FalconLover420]

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[ChipLecsap]

to be honest i never liked Josy. she is just full of red flags for me and every time i learn something new about her or i see her do something different/new i feel more inclined to metaphorically move to other side of street.
As if the support for cheating dad was not bad enough i was willling to focus on the positives of that POV. and trust me it was not easy to find the way to be optimistic about supporting dad divorcing your mom but i did my best. By divorcing josy mom dad made him, his new partner, and seemingly josy happy (comparatively speaking as she would probably be less happy if her parents remained in jaded marriage and constantly fighting), while only person being heartbroken is josy mom

so like ok, lets not judge it too soon. but that all changes when we find out "boyfriend" she talked about is maya and MC gets kicked on the street. Because now the whole dad thing is not "outside of the box" thinking and is just cheating mentality.
OFC josy will support her dad cheating when she herself is more than willing to cheat on maya that she kinda dates. and that completely ruined her character for me. Sure, MC can share some blame for the cheating part but that does not justify her part

Then after the three of them have the conversation and MC decides to walk away to let other two have a chance, or maybe MC tries for something more but fails... you'd think josy character cant get any worse but then after the preps party we find out josy wanted to date MC but decided to pick "safe" route. that is really scummy and made me dislike her even more.

And even if MC is dating both of them, she would get jealous of all the opportunities maya and MC get (if you pick maya over josy more frequently).

then during halloween party the whole costume drama only makes things worse. Like, maya already have dad that does not let her live the life she wants so maya have to take wins where she can and then josy comes and says "no, fuck your happiness, think bigger picture. we will never save the money to get you out of this situation if we spend too much on costumes" and okay... lets try to be a bit objective here. There is room for interpretation here to say this is somewhat wholesome. Putting the small pleasures aside thinking on the bigger picture. sacrificing small things today for bigger happiness tomorrow and all that. But it screams hypocricy when you see how much money she then goes to spend later trying to "find herself"...
And as if that is not bad enough, later during bella's party we learn about her insecurities and how she feels suffocated in relationship... so now i cant help but feel the whole petty pity attitude back with the costume feels more like "you need to save money asap so that i can feel better about us", it comes off as selfish.

And lets not forget that every scene with josy that does not involve maya is somehow focused on josy trying to find ways to spend time without maya or is all about "ME ME ME" aka herself, so like, why is she even in relationship with maya?
That couple/throuple is so doomed from beginning its not even funny, and i blame josy for most of it. In fact i blame josy extra hard because there is no option at all to pursue maya alone or during the conversation where options are either thouple or nothing there is no options to show how their relationship cant work out and that they should end it and just be friends and support each other (with then options to date one of them in season 2 and onwards)...

so as i said, i am not saying josy is terrible character, i see positives but literally every scene made me feel like josy is more of a red flag and not my type of girl. i would stay away from josy in real life as far as i could. in my eyes she is typical "selfish" "i want to be popular" "its all about me" "professional victim" type of person

that is why it's literally took 11 episode to do something for that is only for her and about her , regardless from Maya, because Josy is so selfish as self centered, that she literally had no idea waht the fuck she is doign wiht her own life , and liteerly jsut wen alogn whatever direction the wind , aka maya blows

 

[ChipLecsap]

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she look like a crackhead

 

[Darkwen]

in my eyes she is typical "selfish" "i want to be popular" "its all about me" "professional victim" type of person

That's Maya not Josy, you can like or dislike who you want but honestly it Maya always acting like victim and so selfish to the point her own girlfriend felt like she didn't matter because Maya makes everything about herself

 

[Craysser]

that is why it's literally took 11 episode to do something for that is only for her and about her , regardless from Maya, because Josy is so selfish as self centered, that she literally had no idea waht the fuck she is doign wiht her own life , and liteerly jsut wen alogn whatever direction the wind , aka maya blows

You cant blame maya for josy's cowardice and selfishness. Josy had a chance to speak up and say she is not comfortable with situation but instead she chose to stay with maya instead of fighting for what she wants cause being in toxic and/or unhappy relationship is better than being alone even when there is someone who likes you and would never make you feel alone. I mean if we wanna really break this down, there is certain level of stupidity in her actions as well, not just insecurities.

 

[Craysser]

That's Maya not Josy, you can like or dislike who you want but honestly it Maya always acting like victim and so selfish to the point her own girlfriend felt like she didn't matter because Maya makes everything about herself

no, maya IS a victim. Josy is type of person who will find a reason to make people pity her or would always find a reason to act like victim whenever she is not getting enough attention.
Like how we know she dates maya but isntead of calling maya she calls MC during his first night in college.
her supporting dad divorcing her mom to pursuit his own happiness just shows she would gladly cheat on maya if it makes her feel good, but when MC points finger at her and says she kinda fucked up his life a bit she tries to play victim and say how its his fault they fucked.
or how its maya's fault that josy was "forced" to give up on MC so that two of them can continue to "secretly date". even though she literally admits she went with it because its "safer" than trying to date MC. just really shows how little she gives a fuck about both of them and is just choosing whatever options looks better for HER until it doesnt and then she is victim of her choices but somehow blaming others
or how josy never speaks up about what worry her to others yet somehow its everyones fault for not asking her "whats wrong"...

 

[ChipLecsap]

You cant blame maya for josy's cowardice and selfishness. Josy had a chance to speak up and say she is not comfortable with situation but instead she chose to stay with maya instead of fighting for what she wants cause being in toxic and/or unhappy relationship is better than being alone even when there is someone who likes you and would never make you feel alone. I mean if we wanna really break this down, there is certain level of stupidity in her actions as well, not just insecurities.

Yeah, because being supportive, and putting your own happiness aside for someone else sake, is such a selfish act, from someone who exactly aware of the situation of Maya, well, not excatly, aware, becasue despite everything Maya is still dishonest wiht Josy abotu her father abuse .

don't let your hatred cloud your judgment. The one moment when Josy speak up about what she wanted Maya lashed at her.
for me episode 7 was the eye opening regarding of Maya, and my view not changed on her since then

 

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[FalconLover420]

she look like a crackhead

But she is my crack head :3

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[Craysser]

Yeah, because being supportive, and putting your own happiness aside for someone else sake, is such a selfish act, from someone who exactly aware of the situation of Maya, well, not excatly, aware, becasue despite everything Maya is still dishonest wiht Josy abotu her father abuse .

don't let your hatred cloud your judgment. The one moment when Josy speak up about what she wanted Maya lashed at her.
for me episode 7 was the eye opening regarding of Maya, and my view not changed on her since then

that is fair take. i am not saying josy is terribly written character, i am saying that she just hit every huge red flag for me and every time something new is revealed it just hits me the wrong way. It is not that my hate for her cloud my judgement, i dont hate josy. its just that she is type of person i dislike the most. that does not mean everything she does is wrong, its just that bad stuff she does makes me want to avoid her (or rather someone like her IRL)...


regarding maya thing. Maya is in really bad situation that she cant or dont know how to escape from. Josy PUT herself in bad situations and blame others for it. Josy had a chance to speak up but chose to be silent and just go with maya, breaking MC's heart. and when she learned the truth about in just how much shit maya really is and realized the difficulties that her relationship with maya go beyond just homophobic father and is something that cant be easily fixed she quickly shifted and was willing to jump the ship. started rediscovering herself, trying to figure out who she is without maya, finding hobbies and things she can do that does not involve maya, starts hanging out with MC more...
for me its like i was capable of ignoring all this as i understand people/characters arent flawless and everyone has baggage. but then the talk between maya and josy after they drink and get tipsy/drunk and truth comes out to open, that scene was eye opening for me that josy is just unsalvagable for me (not as a character, just as a character for me. i am not saying others are wrong for liking her, i am just saying i am type of person who CANT like characters like josy).

EDIT: and i feel like people are misunderstanding what i mean by saying josy is selfish. Being selfish does not necessary mean ignoring others.
For example, someone can donate milions of dolars to homeless. that is in no means selfish act. BUT it can be selfless act done by selfish person depending on motivations. If only reason you donate money to someone is not because you want to help others but so that you can feel better about yourself then you are still selfish person. If only reason why you would donate milions to charity is TAX EVASION, then i would not call that selfless act. its better than crime, but its not really selfless.
So i am not saying Josy makes selfish actions, i am saying she is making "selfless" acts for selfish reasons.

Yes she stays with maya, that is not selfish act. it shows that she is willing to support maya and try to fight for their relationship even when it is tough and not smooth sail. But that act is not so selfless when you learn only reason she does it is because she is afraid of being lonely so it felt safer to stick with maya than take risks.

Yes Josy trying to save money on costumes is not selfish in materialistic meaning of the word. But the fact she only does it so that maya can get out of her bad situation so that their relationship can become better does mean she is doing it to make her feel better in the future rather than something selfless that is good for maya.

and so on...

 

[ChipLecsap]

no, maya IS a victim. Josy is type of person who will find a reason to make people pity her or would always find a reason to act like victim whenever she is not getting enough attention.

Like how we know she dates maya but isntead of calling maya she calls MC during his first night in college.

her supporting dad divorcing her mom to pursuit his own happiness just shows she would gladly cheat on maya if it makes

her feel good, but when MC points finger at her and says she kinda fucked up his life a bit she tries to play victim and say how its his fault they fucked.

or how its maya's fault that josy was "forced" to give up on MC so that two of them can continue to "secretly date".
or how josy never speaks up about what worry her to others yet somehow its everyones fault for not asking her "whats wrong"...

Never happened in the game, so I don't know what type of game playing.

Maya left meaner and meaner messages to her

She had a choice to stay with her dad or her mom, we only saw her mother like 5 second, but she seems kinda like a bitch anyway, so may be there's a reason why her dad seeks happiness elsewhere?
and there is an extremely big difference between the relationship with her father and her mother, based on what we saw

She is right about that MC is a big hypocrite in that situation, he is well aware of the relationship but still want to fuck her. BTW he has no problem Fuckign Sage who also in a relatinship, or even Bella who has a ring on her finger , and if it was not Maya who Josy is with but some random Guy/girl , he would not give a fuck, he was just upset, because it was Maya a person who he knew and also wanted to fuck.

the library scene and the whole Josy/maya scenario in episode 4, is way worse than just be able to simplify for your own dislike.
it has been talked to death how badly written and executed the whole drama is.

neither member of the trio behaved remotely like a normal human being

 

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[Craysser]

Never happened in the game, so I don't know what type of game playing.

Maya left meaner and meaner messages to her

She had a choice to stay with her dad or her mom, we only saw her mother like 5 second, but she seems kinda like a bitch anyway, so may be there's a reason why her dad seeks happiness elsewhere?
and there is an extremely big difference between the relationship with her father and her mother, based on what we saw

She is right about that MC is a big hypocrite in that situation, he is well aware of the relationship but still want to fuck her. BTW he has no problem Fuckign Sage who also in a relatinship, or even Bella who has a ring on her finger , and if it was not Maya who Josy is with but some random Guy/girl , he would not give a fuck, he was just upset, because it was Maya a person who he knew and also wanted to fuck.

the library scene and the whole Josy/maya scenario in episode 4, is way worse than just be able to simplify for your own dislike.
it has been talked to death how badly written and executed the whole drama is.

neither member of the trio behaved remotely like a normal human being

absolutely, if you want to simply boil down how badly written the trio is and simply blame it on DPC and say all faults lie on him and how badly he wrote it then sure.
Though your arguments are kinds shallow and you use circumstantial evidence that only holds truth if you play as DIK MC when issues exist and are present even in cases of CHICK playthrough. You cant say someting only happens because MC fucks josy and is only upset cause josy cheated on someone he also wanted to fuck when problem is still there even if MC DOESNT fuck josy and DOESNT want to fuck maya.

you cant just use "there is option in game to do something" as argument where its irellevant.
You have option to get broccoli scene with quinn. by your logic because there is option for it, CHICK MC should get it as easily as DIK MC. But it doesnt work like that.
Whats next, you gonna say CHICK MC is not above beating jill because game gives you option to fight dawe in self defence?

And to be clear i am not DEFENDING Maya for her mistakes. But its wrong to try and defend JOSY by some weak logic of "maya made mistakes too" especially when maya is real victim while josy is victimizing herself. Not saying josy is not validated in some of her feeligns and actions and that what she says is wrong. what i am saying is that SHE put herself in that situation. you CANT compare that with Maya's situation when MAYA did NOT put herself in that situation (and you better not try to twist it and say that she did because she signed the contract as a kid)
EDIT: also, what part of that quote you posted "never happened"? please explain what you mean

 

[ChipLecsap]

absolutely, if you want to simply boil down how badly written the trio is and simply blame it on DPC and say all faults lie on him and how badly he wrote it then sure.
Though your arguments are kinds shallow and you use circumstantial evidence that only holds truth if you play as DIK MC when issues exist and are present even in cases of CHICK playthrough. You cant say someting only happens because MC fucks josy and is only upset cause josy cheated on someone he also wanted to fuck when problem is still there even if MC DOESNT fuck josy and DOESNT want to fuck maya.

you cant just use "there is option in game to do something" as argument where its irellevant.
You have option to get broccoli scene with quinn. by your logic because there is option for it, CHICK MC should get it as easily as DIK MC. But it doesnt work like that.
Whats next, you gonna say CHICK MC is not above beating jill because game gives you option to fight dawe in self defence?

what the hell you even talking about with this ?

frankly the whole Josy maya thing by default flawed by dpc, because, even if you avoid them, the scenario is played out almost exactly the same . also by default MC has feeling for Josy the same way, that Zoey is is his ex and you still get to have her love confesson scene in episode 11

and don't know what has this anything to do with a side girl like Quinn who is entirely optional and not playing the same league

 

[Craysser]

what the hell you even talking about with this ?

frankly the whole Josy maya thing by default flawed by dpc, because, even if you avoid them, the scenario is played out almost exactly the same . also by default MC has feeling for Josy the same way, that Zoey is is his ex and you still get to have her love confesson scene in episode 11

and don't know what has this anything to do with a side girl like Quinn who is entirely optional and not playing the same league

you started arguing about stuff that only happens on DIK route which means you are using "optional" content as arguments. i used quinn as example to show how ridiculous youre being. the fact you found it ridiculous that i am talking about quinn just proves my point.
And the fact scenario is played out almost the same just proves that their relationship is doomed with or without MC involvement so fault lies on them not him.

 

[ChipLecsap]

you started arguing about stuff that only happens on DIK route

which means you are using "optional" content as arguments. i used quinn as example to show how ridiculous youre being. the fact you found it ridiculous that i am talking about quinn just proves my point.

No I did, not, I not mentioned any of that. What do you mean only happen is dik route ? MC can fuck Josy in chick route to, and be sex buddy wiht sage , and fuck Bella, what part is the Dik route ?
you brought this up out of nowhere in your recent comment.

Yeah, the "broccoli scene with quinn." yeah that is an option Dik route.

 

[Darkwen]

no, maya IS a victim. Josy is type of person who will find a reason to make people pity her or would always find a reason to act like victim whenever she is not getting enough attention.
Like how we know she dates maya but isntead of calling maya she calls MC during his first night in college.
her supporting dad divorcing her mom to pursuit his own happiness just shows she would gladly cheat on maya if it makes her feel good, but when MC points finger at her and says she kinda fucked up his life a bit she tries to play victim and say how its his fault they fucked.
or how its maya's fault that josy was "forced" to give up on MC so that two of them can continue to "secretly date".
or how josy never speaks up about what worry her to others yet somehow its everyones fault for not asking her "whats wrong"...

Again it your right to like or dislike what you want but for me you got Josy wrong. No one in game feels sorry for Josy she very sweet friendly girl that everyone likes well other then Oscar but he a fool anyway .

Josy called MC and not Maya in ep3 because she wants to go forward with him not Maya but mc ruins it by being a pussy. I don't blame Josy for how she acted at the end of ep3/start of ep4 nothing went the way she through it would. Josy wasn't saying it all his fault but that they both to blame and that she would do it all over again showing she cares for him.

If anyone at fault during this it Maya because rather then trusting Josy she goes right to thinking the worse about Josy. Where as Josy one crime is finding someone she likes better.

As for ep4 choice yeah would had been nice if Josy took the risk and told mc and Maya how she truly felt but if she did then she and Maya break up right there or go throuple for while but that goes to how DPC handle it. That said MC was such a pussy those two eps and Josy needs to know MC is with her fully, like she does now.

I'm not sure why you say Josy acts like a victim when that isn't her, Maya on the other often does just because your a victim it don't you have to act like one. Maya has a victim mindset, often judges without proof and is so selfcenter she can't even see others that should be important to her are going through stuff which makes Maya unlikeable to me. Josy I find to be selfless and makes everything better. Maya best moments are when she not talking about her problems sadly most of the time she is talking about them

 

[Better Cock Spock]

And for the love of god, I usually don't like large breasted women and such, but Bella is absolutely god damn ridiculous hot in this game. Hands down one of the hottest women in any renpy game. And, it's not just her looks, but her personality and what she is struggling with. Great writing. IRL I would fall for her in 1 second flat.

I can see you have great taste

Seems like a fair question is she just here to be a super cutie or is she going to put a knife in mc back

A knife in your back, Petey

The duality of Josy
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I can't remember, did she say if she was making money off this? She's basically an influencer, but idk if she has sponsors.

So many paths... Choices...
So many different destinies await our MC.

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[Craysser]

No I did, not, I not mentioned any of that. What do you mean only happen is dik route ? MC can fuck Josy in chick route to, and be sex buddy wiht sage , and fuck Bella, what part is the Dik route ?
you brought this up out of nowhere in your recent comment.

Yeah, the "broccoli scene with quinn." yeah that is an option Dik route.

fucking josy and wanting to fuck maya is a dik playthrough. technically you are correct you CAN be a dick and cheat while "being CHICK", but these action count toward DIK personality (as minor choices not major choices that actually shape character). i may went too hard when i compared it with broccoli i guess, but for the topic we talk about, you are still wrong to argue about stuff that be avoided as reasons to defend josy's actions

 

[ChipLecsap]

fucking josy and wanting to fuck maya is a dik playthrough. technically you are correct you CAN be a dick and cheat while "being CHICK", but these action count toward DIK personality (as minor choices not major choices that actually shape character). i may went too hard when i compared it with broccoli i guess, but for the topic we talk about, you are still wrong to argue about stuff that be avoided as reasons to defend josy's actions

No absolutely not. It might be you personal interpretation, but it hold no truth whatsoever.
even more so if you like Maya, and want to be with her, Maya has to cheat in order to be with her even in a chick route.
Not to mention the fact, that if we real nitpicking than in a proper Dik path you can't even be on the Josy Maya path in the first place because they reject you

what I said, is that regardless of player influence, MC biggest upset comes from the fact that Josy "boyfriend" is Maya,
may that is what you misunderstand a bit ,
I did add that becasue he wants to fuck her, what is lets be real, not a stretch

btw he even say it, that , when Josy ask what the difference it makes that it is a girl not a guy
"The difference that its MAYA "- said by MC

I mean he clearly not give a fuck in other cases, like Sage boyfriend is Chad