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And Your isn't random??? putting "the total mess" Maya up there with Jill and ranking the log-like-Becky so high ...
Thanks for that tier pic and the comment. I had a good laugh :)
Jill is below Maya to me but I like the sentiment :LOL:
Sage>Josy>Maya>Bella>Jill
 

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Status update Episode 12



I've been working on a long scene for the entire week. And it's one of those scenes that I've wanted to create since day one, so I'm having a very good time with it. It's a bit surreal seeing it come to life after all these years. The scene I'm working on has a variety of environments and characters, meaning that it takes quite a while to create each render.

In recent Q&As, I discussed how the environment can take quite a while to set up. This has been evident this week when I've bounced between several environments and wardrobes. At times, it feels like I'm stomping in place instead of moving forward, but it's going well, and the effort will be worth it. PCs have plenty of files to render while I do this scene justice.

I also posed another minute-long cutscene animation.

I want to finish this long scene soon and continue posing more static renders, and that's what I'll be focusing on.

Polls

In poll news, a poll that decides who gets the last special render set of Season 3—and most likely the last one of the game—went live yesterday. To participate, sign up as a $10 patron . There will be more polls for episode 12 later in the development cycle, too.

Have a nice weekend

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Thanks, not much though... but that was to be expected.

The scene is foir sure a big canon scene, and since he wanted to create it since day one, it will reveal important stuff. So... Bella related is a pretty much safe guess. Due to new environment and all, a flashback scene seems to be likely. Wouldnt rule it out that it might be about the past of MC though...

But doesnt matter, EP12 has a lot questions to answer and needs to answer them... So no matter waht, we will get a big Bella related scene with a lot of answers and a falshback for MC too for sure. Maybe to learn something more about his family background we dont know anything about... iam highly suspicious that Neil is hiding a lot from MC.

Well i expect new "numbers" at the end of may.
 

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And Your isn't random??? putting "the total mess" Maya up there with Jill and ranking the log-like-Becky so high ...
Thanks for that tier pic and the comment. I had a good laugh :)
As I stated before:
>For my list, I used a combination of content, sexual content, personality, story or plot relevance, and characterization.

I've listed my criteria for a while. And no, I'm not saying it's perfect.

What is this great hole that is Maya's "total mess"?
And what is wrong with Jill as a character? She's one of the most fleshed out on all those metrics.
And what is wrong with "log-like-Becky"? Does she not have a variety of sex scenes, and various other content? Just because you don't like her character or scenes (i.e. the same way people don't like Quinn's character and content), doesn't mean it doesn't possess something of higher quality than other characters.
 

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Does anyone have the puzzlebox cheat/mod where to solve it all you needed to do was click/tap on the puzzlebox then close it and it automatically opened? I had the file somewhere but can't find it now, and had to re-install my game.
 

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As I stated before:
>For my list, I used a combination of content, sexual content, personality, story or plot relevance, and characterization.

I've listed my criteria for a while. And no, I'm not saying it's perfect.

What is this great hole that is Maya's "total mess"?
And what is wrong with Jill as a character? She's one of the most fleshed out on all those metrics.
And what is wrong with "log-like-Becky"? Does she not have a variety of sex scenes, and various other content? Just because you don't like her character or scenes (i.e. the same way people don't like Quinn's character and content), doesn't mean it doesn't possess something of higher quality than other characters.
But, you used your 'subjective opinion' of their personality, plot relevance, etc. to fill your criteria.

There is no 'universal opinion' of Maya, Becky or anyone else.

It is still subjective and just your opinion.
 

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But, you used your 'subjective opinion' of their personality, plot relevance, etc. to fill your criteria.

There is no 'universal opinion' of Maya, Becky or anyone else.

It is still subjective and just your opinion.
And what is my "your subjective opinion", exactly? I'm sure I have a few biases, maybe even some criteria, but the evaluation is based on comparing multiple metrics of apples to apples.

While it is hard to figure out the relevance or "score" of a plot or in relation to, let's say, a characterization, it is still measurable. (e.g. # of sex scenes is easy, relevance to DIK system, actual choice outcomes, non-character choices in scenes, believably etc.)

This is on quality. Further dissemination found within those elements.

While I haven't done a systematic measurement on every value, I can easily say i.e. Sage has the most content and is most relevant. Using that as the highest scoring metric, we can compare that to others.

Most players say "Sage is best", but why? They like how she looks, her story, her moments, her scenes, etc. But what exactly? Do they understand drama? Characterization? Conflict?

We further break down the qualities of each piece of content, find commonality, and go to the next.

When we put Sally on that scale, she simply doesn't compare. To dozens of other characters. To say her personality is #1 or her scenes are #1, and thus top tier? That's either: 1) a bias in choosing 2 unique trees in a forest, 2) Not having any metric to begin with.

We can choose different criteria; and the bigger the criteria, the more accurate the evaluation. But it's not just "my opinion." Then, the difference is what the weight of each metric has over another.
 
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But, you used your 'subjective opinion' of their personality, plot relevance, etc. to fill your criteria.

There is no 'universal opinion' of Maya, Becky or anyone else.

It is still subjective and just your opinion.
Milton, in my factual objective knowledge of the truth, Cinderella is the loveliest, most beautiful, angelic non-MG in the entire game. Please prove me wrong in a statistical and verifiable manner :)
 

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And what is my "your subjective opinion", exactly? I'm sure I have a few biases, maybe even some criteria, but the evaluation is based on comparing multiple metrics of apples to apples.

While it is hard to figure out the relevance or "score" of a plot or in relation to, let's say, a characterization, it is still measurable. (e.g. # of sex scenes is easy, relevance to DIK system, actual choice outcomes, non-character choices in scenes, believably etc.)

This is on quality. Further dissemination found within those elements.

While I haven't done a systematic measurement on every value, I can easily say i.e. Sage has the most content and is most relevant. Using that as the highest scoring metric, we can compare that to others.

Most players say "Sage is best", but why? They like how she looks, her story, her moments, her scenes, etc. But what exactly? Do they understand drama? Characterization? Conflict?

We further break down the qualities of each piece of content, find commonality, and go to the next.

When we put Sally on that scale, she simply doesn't compare. To dozens of other characters. To say her personality is #1 or her scenes are #1, and thus top tier? That's either: 1) a bias in choosing 2 unique trees in a forest, 2) Not having any metric to begin with.

We can choose different criteria; and the bigger the criteria, the more accurate the evaluation. But it's not just "my opinion." Then, the difference is what the weight of each metric has over another.
I think subjective opinion is subjective opinion especially concerning like or tastes.

For example, there may be a BAD player out there who likes Becky, wants more Becky content and believes Becky is best girl.
However, for me? Becky is at the bottom of the list due to every criteria.

Let me give you another example, we have Darkwen who obviously has Josy as their number one and when asked, he will tell you why. In comparison, you have Better Cock Spock who says Bella is best girl in his eyes and will tell you why. Both opinions are valid cause its their tastes.

TLDR: Basically what I am trying to say is that trying to establish and official guideline on top girls like if they are weapons in an MMO is not viable when the community has different individual metrics
 

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But, you used your 'subjective opinion' of their personality, plot relevance, etc. to fill your criteria.

There is no 'universal opinion' of Maya, Becky or anyone else.

It is still subjective and just your opinion.
He doesn't understand the concept of subjective reality. I mean no shade... who knows everything but that's why I exited the conversation. Not that he's going to listen but I did find this neat little package of info.

reality.jpg
 

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And what is my "your subjective opinion", exactly? I'm sure I have a few biases, maybe even some criteria, but the evaluation is based on comparing multiple metrics of apples to apples.

While it is hard to figure out the relevance or "score" of a plot or in relation to, let's say, a characterization, it is still measurable. (e.g. # of sex scenes is easy, relevance to DIK system, actual choice outcomes, non-character choices in scenes, believably etc.)

This is on quality. Further dissemination found within those elements.

While I haven't done a systematic measurement on every value, I can easily say i.e. Sage has the most content and is most relevant. Using that as the highest scoring metric, we can compare that to others.

Most players say "Sage is best", but why? They like how she looks, her story, her moments, her scenes, etc. But what exactly? Do they understand drama? Characterization? Conflict?

We further break down the qualities of each piece of content, find commonality, and go to the next.

When we put Sally on that scale, she simply doesn't compare. To dozens of other characters. To say her personality is #1 or her scenes are #1, and thus top tier? That's either: 1) a bias in choosing 2 unique trees in a forest, 2) Not having any metric to begin with.

We can choose different criteria; and the bigger the criteria, the more accurate the evaluation. But it's not just "my opinion." Then, the difference is what the weight of each metric has over another.

You decided what criteria was important to you - that's subjective and your opinion.

If someone decides that conflict (for example) is irrelevant to their evaluation or ranking of someone that is perfectly fine.

If someone's sole criteria is that they like fiery short blondes. They don't have to put Sally on your scale to decide, they can say Sally #1 based on the criteria they chose. - Just like you.
 

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I think subjective opinion is subjective opinion especially concerning like or tastes.

For example, there may be a BAD player out there who likes Becky, wants more Becky content and believes Becky is best girl.
However, for me? Becky is at the bottom of the list due to every criteria.

Let me give you another example, we have Darkwen who obviously has Josy as their number one and when asked, he will tell you why. In comparison, you have Better Cock Spock who says Bella is best girl in his eyes and will tell you why. Both opinions are valid cause its their tastes.

TLDR: Basically what I am trying to say is that trying to establish and official guideline on top girls like if they are weapons in an MMO is not viable when the community has different individual metrics
:unsure: Why would you list me alongside Darkwen like that, when he is wrong and I am right :unsure::unsure::unsure:
Besides, according to this guy I am wrong, because he cites his own "research" as to why Bella < Nora (the supposed superior version of the milfy teacher). So proud and firm in his belief, it's even in his signature.
 
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