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The problem with not taking the restaurant route is that you miss out on so much great content. I'm not even talking about the girls on the menu, although there are some great scenes and interactions there, but the Tara scene? The party scenes? All of that is so good.
i am not sure but i think you cant unlock some scenes with riona if you dont order from restaurant. i believe restaurant is one of requirement for her to trust you enough with her paranoya of being watched and you miss on the scene where you catch the guy. but i am not 100% sure of it. also no broccoli scene and i think everyone should at least see the broccoli scene before judging quinn (dont have to like her, its fine to still hate her)
 

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i am not sure but i think you cant unlock some scenes with riona if you dont order from restaurant. i believe restaurant is one of requirement for her to trust you enough with her paranoya of being watched and you miss on the scene where you catch the guy. but i am not 100% sure of it. also no broccoli scene and i think everyone should at least see the broccoli scene before judging quinn (dont have to like her, its fine to still hate her)
You ALMOST had me intrigued but my loathing for Quinn just won't allow it. Shame because Rio is the one girl who I wish was a love interest. Sure I like Sally but sweet Rio I would take over any of the current LIs. Good bait Cay. :)
 

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I don't think there won't be any consequences for the player by the end of the game, it just seems like it right now based on how the restaurant was unceremoniously ejected. There's a reckoning to be had with the two girls MC is closest to no matter what at B&R: Maya and Sage.

MC knew what Quinn had planned for Maya, what the "free tuition" entailed, but kept his mouth shut. At best, he can tell her not to trust Quinn and that she's evil, but that's all, not even a vague hint about why.
And as for Sage, MC is already reaping what he sowed in regards to Jade, even if all he ever did was accept the footjob all the way back in Episode 3. Sage will find out about the restaurant, and learn that either MC was its best customer or knew of its existence but never told her.

I'm not looking forward to it, but no way the thing is dead and buried just because Stephen is jumping ship.
And that's another thing that bothers me about this arc, thanks for pointing that out, Spock. MC barely interacts with this story. Warn Maya - no, mention it somewhere in the DIKs - no, and in general I haven't heard that anyone in the game world bragging that sorority girls provide sex services. It's like it doesn't exist outside of Quinn's story and MC's imagination.
If the drugs story feels real and believable, prostitution story have several problems.
 

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And that's another thing that bothers me about this arc, thanks for pointing that out, Spock. MC barely interacts with this story. Warn Maya - no, mention it somewhere in the DIKs - no, and in general I haven't heard that anyone in the game world bragging that sorority girls provide sex services. It's like it doesn't exist outside of Quinn's story and MC's imagination.
If the drugs story feels real and believable, prostitution story have several problems.
I said something similar to this months ago, which is one of the reasons I don't think the consequences to this are going to be as big as people hope or want (I will more than happily be proven wrong) but you can go the whole game without even touching the restaurant, yeah you gets hints and snippets and we obviously have the added extra of playing multiple paths to know whats going on. But for someone who has only played a strict chick Jill path... they'd have no fucking idea. It was essentially a means to an end for DP,C and its end was met in episode 10
 
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I said something similar to this months ago, which is one of the reasons I don't think the consequences to this are going to be as big as people hope or want (I will more than happily be proven wrong) but you can go the whole game without even touching the restaurant, yeah you gets hints and snippets and we obviously have the added extra of playing multiple paths to know whats going on. But for someone who has only played a strict chick Jill path... they'd have no fucking idea. It was essentially a means to an end for DP,C and its end was met in episode 10
In any case, you know part of the situation, since Quinn offers you to use the services in Ep. 1, and then from hints from the girls involved in this case, you understand what is happening and who might be involved. Moreover, when Mona had a meltdown and Quinn blackmailed her, it is already clear what is happening.
But still it's inside the story - Quinn, Burke and the girls doing sex work, outside of the circle all of this seems irrelevant.
 
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And that's another thing that bothers me about this arc, thanks for pointing that out, Spock. MC barely interacts with this story. Warn Maya - no, mention it somewhere in the DIKs - no, and in general I haven't heard that anyone in the game world bragging that sorority girls provide sex services. It's like it doesn't exist outside of Quinn's story and MC's imagination.
If the drugs story feels real and believable, prostitution story have several problems.
The restaurant rides the line of that dread evil some players hate—NTR :HideThePain:
So DPC can't have guys walking around bragging that they banged Cammy, or give a face to whoever just got sucked off by Rio in Episode 1, or anything like that (Not that it never happens, Jamie mentioned hooking up with Rio before, Tommy comments on her blowjob skills, etc). It's probably a contributing factor to why Mona didn't go all the way with Stephen, too.

Oh and no one come here to try and define NTR or any stupid shit like that, I would rather kill myself than get into the nuances of the subcategories or whatever the fuck :cautious:
 

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In any case, you know part of the situation, since Quinn offers you to use the services in Ep. 1, and then from hints from the girls involved in this case, you understand what is happening and who might be involved. Moreover, when Mona had a meltdown and Quinn blackmailed her, it is already clear what is happening.
But still it's inside the story - Quinn, Burke and the girls doing sex work, outside of the circle all of this seems irrelevant.
Oh absolutely I know, regardless of paths, you can't really get away from it, Quinn will always offer you a chance, Mona will always refuse to do stuff, and Burke will always need to discuss things with Pricilla after the meeting with Maya, and as I said, most of us have the added insight of seeing the angle from multiple paths so we can place things together, but still on some its barely a footnote and on a Strict Chick Jill path, consequences to it are kinda irrelevant to the story, as the angle itself has kinda been inrelivent to the story
 
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Internet down since Friday and that meant I got to play more BaD and "finish" two runs. My conclusions:

Jill Path: Well, it was nice. Pretty much what I expected from her friends and her parents. I know Doc Cake doesn't make mistakes ( :sneaky: ) and doesn't have poor writing ( :LOL: ) but I felt that they treated MC from above, even though he claims he had a great time. I just didn't see it and the wasabi error made me cringe since I knew what was coming. (Just soy sauce for me in running sushi restaurants, thank you very much.) Also her mother gave me the "you really don't belong" vibe (I may be mistaken) and we surely don't know what her dad really feels given he was drunk.

The "orgasm timer" was a cool idea for a one-off, gives you incentive to not skip video loops too early. Could be done by other devs, too, to "liven up the scenes".

Rusty's got a problem with the relationship. I really like his DTE attitude, but he's the one to talk about his "the one that got away" (yeah, he claims it's not that way, but... yeah, sure, dude) when he's in the Micha situation.

About Bianca, why TF would we risk the relationship with Jill for her? Okay, do the Madame Rose deal to put the scenes into the archive and then immediately delete the save. IMO she has nothing going for her.

And finally, back to Doc Cake's "perfect writing", I think he's got her Halloween party stuff the other way round. It would make sense that "relationship Jill" dresses as sexy bee for the MC while "timid Jill" hides her body in a banana suit.


Others Path:
So we're besties with Elena and she doesn't want to risk our friendship for a romp. What TF did I miss, was there some serious off-screen bonding going on somehow?

Nice to see scenes with many girls that I didn't think we'd get some. Like Tiffani or another Tara one. Being with Riona was kinda sad knowing what was coming for her. Same with the text that MC sends her about going to the arcade again. Since this is the only path where we see more of her face I hope that she was just sleeping with a black eye and not having just one eye left. Her punching Quinn was extremely satisfying. You go, girl! :love:

Becky's scene was just sad. Ironically it's the only one where MC (almost) used protection. I immediately reset that scene to pranking her. Speaking of, during the Christmas party we had sex scenes with Tiffani, Tara, Becky, Lily and Elena. In addition to that Sage (minus some since they happen after MC's leaving) if you leave the party. And you're telling me that MC can't handle Sarah and Melanie within half an hour or so? I call BS. (Yeah yeah, I know, perfect writing and such.)

Some observations: Nice for Karen Rebecca that she got to hook up with somebody, although I'd prefer seeing a scene with her and the MC (maybe a threesome with her and Sally) instead of Leon - or was it Jamie, I always get those two mixed up. Speaking of Sally, during her scene in Leon's room it looked like someone was sitting on the chair watching the bed. Was a bit creepy. Could be my imagination though. And have we ever established who that guy or gal in an unrecogniseable costume, but extremely piercing blue eyes, was in The Moose during the Halloween party? He or she was in there with Derek, talking rubbish (about relationships?) to the MC.

Finally, I feel that Doc Cake really wants us to leave Nicole alone. First decide between a date with Nicole or Nora and her asshole cat Fluffy. Later on it's either dump Nicole or Lily. Therefore my updated relationship predictions slighly change: Nora - No (teacher, cat sabotaging the relationship; MC may be trapped by a baby though - could lead to Nora having custody); Nicole - No (MC isn't comfortable with being responsible for her kid as stepfather, her husband is just waiting for her to screw up somehow, and it still remains that she is 10 years older and her kid just 9 years younger); Lily - Yes (if you are on the gentle sex decision and she keeps opening up to MC, and leaves the Pink Rose behind after finishing her studies, as she wants to go for a "serious job"); Zoey - possible Yes (if you take her back and she gets into B&R for her art program - even if she wants to travel the world for inspiration afterwards and MC is stuck with a science project somewhere. We had that similarly in Rebecca's ending in Melody.).

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General stuff:

* So during Party Planning Nick is obviously gone, but why does MC, who is replacing him, start out with 0% happiness? That makes no sense and it's just dragging down the score. Speaking of which, is it possible to get a good grade for Christmas? I managed S on both Halloween and Thanksgiving, but Christmas is mostly D or E with just once a B on the Others path.

* Speaking of Nick, of course throwing anybody and everything under the bus is way out of line, but I am willing to give him some leeway since he was cornered with no escape. (I guess, IRL I would lash out too and deal with remorse later.) And Tommy started the shitshow with Heather. So for now I am keeping his (and Tara's) attitude score low and see what will come out of it.

* Can anybody please tell me in a spoiler about Quinn's sob story that made people come around on her? I have no intention of playing her path, but I'm kinda interested.

* It felt a bit weak, but on Jill's CHICK path I liked the opportunity to let Kylie and Penny (shame that we couldn't pick her for best costume at the Halloween party!) in so that they can apologise in person. The DIK decision is coercion though, and I don't know about US law, but that could get you into real trouble over here. (Monetary fine or up to 1 year in prison; up to 5 years if something happens to either one on their way back or up to 10 years should one of them commit suicide because of it.)

* The puzzle box was okay the first time, and I did not mind the two Maya renders since she is my favourite. However, after that it's just pointless and annoying.

* I also like the new Science minigame, while Math is hit and miss. I usually am sure that I got the correct solution, checked and double checked, but then the summary states that I still got it wrong and I don't know where I screwed up.

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Not ill this time, but another sleepless night made me think of the different main girl paths. (Sans Isabella, since I haven't played hers yet. Still think it's headed for disaster, though.)

* Thouple: Maya is the sweet centerpiece of it all, and of course she takes center stage. "Miss Alady" Josy is a nice sidekick, mostly chipper, but a bit withdrawn lately. Could definitely improve communication, but it seems they are headed in the right direction after Bella's Christmas party. I still see a temporary breakup coming in C12. Maybe permanent in S4 if you've favoured one of them too much, or sailing into the sunset with both if you've balanced it correctly. With the relationship being longer and him meeting the two girls Neil will also come around. Individually he should like them like Sage and Jill. (Not so sure with Bella.)

* Jill and Sage: Jill is nice and sweet and all, and she's coming out of her shell, but I feel she doesn't really bring much to the table. She's the good friend / love interest in the background, giving advice when needed, but is only affiliated with the Preps, and we don't have any interaction with them save for a truce with three of them (nothing much comes out of it) and there is Tyballs, the "antagonist" that I can't take serious at all. Other than that her affiliation is with her group of friends who we have even less interaction with; at least Bianca got a bit more story in the cabin. Contrast that with Sage, who comes with the sorority that we constantly interact with and the real dangerous antagonist Quinn (whose guts I hate with a passion, but I can respect how she is written). Plus she is also tied in with possibly the head of the Prostitution Ring (although that might be the mysterious Priscilla) by relation, and Quinn brings her family of drug dealers in and Vinny who could be life-threatening for the MC. In short and with an analogy, while we have Gryffindors and some Slytherins in the DIKs and HOTs, the Preps and the Nerds are the forgotten and overlooked Hufflepuffs and Ravenclaws. And of course, the Jocks are Slytherins. (Too bad, I liked Ravenclaw. ;))

Thanks for bearing with me through the long-ass wall of text. :whistle:
 

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Internet down since Friday and that meant I got to play more BaD and "finish" two runs. My conclusions:

Jill Path: Well, it was nice. Pretty much what I expected from her friends and her parents. I know Doc Cake doesn't make mistakes ( :sneaky: ) and doesn't have poor writing ( :LOL: ) but I felt that they treated MC from above, even though he claims he had a great time. I just didn't see it and the wasabi error made me cringe since I knew what was coming. (Just soy sauce for me in running sushi restaurants, thank you very much.) Also her mother gave me the "you really don't belong" vibe (I may be mistaken) and we surely don't know what her dad really feels given he was drunk.

The "orgasm timer" was a cool idea for a one-off, gives you incentive to not skip video loops too early. Could be done by other devs, too, to "liven up the scenes".

Rusty's got a problem with the relationship. I really like his DTE attitude, but he's the one to talk about his "the one that got away" (yeah, he claims it's not that way, but... yeah, sure, dude) when he's in the Micha situation.

About Bianca, why TF would we risk the relationship with Jill for her? Okay, do the Madame Rose deal to put the scenes into the archive and then immediately delete the save. IMO she has nothing going for her.

And finally, back to Doc Cake's "perfect writing", I think he's got her Halloween party stuff the other way round. It would make sense that "relationship Jill" dresses as sexy bee for the MC while "timid Jill" hides her body in a banana suit.


Others Path: So we're besties with Elena and she doesn't want to risk our friendship for a romp. What TF did I miss, was there some serious off-screen bonding going on somehow?

Nice to see scenes with many girls that I didn't think we'd get some. Like Tiffani or another Tara one. Being with Riona was kinda sad knowing what was coming for her. Same with the text that MC sends her about going to the arcade again. Since this is the only path where we see more of her face I hope that she was just sleeping with a black eye and not having just one eye left. Her punching Quinn was extremely satisfying. You go, girl! :love:

Becky's scene was just sad. Ironically it's the only one where MC (almost) used protection. I immediately reset that scene to pranking her. Speaking of, during the Christmas party we had sex scenes with Tiffani, Tara, Becky, Lily and Elena. In addition to that Sage (minus some since they happen after MC's leaving) if you leave the party. And you're telling me that MC can't handle Sarah and Melanie within half an hour or so? I call BS. (Yeah yeah, I know, perfect writing and such.)

Some observations: Nice for Karen Rebecca that she got to hook up with somebody, although I'd prefer seeing a scene with her and the MC (maybe a threesome with her and Sally) instead of Leon - or was it Jamie, I always get those two mixed up. Speaking of Sally, during her scene in Leon's room it looked like someone was sitting on the chair watching the bed. Was a bit creepy. Could be my imagination though. And have we ever established who that guy or gal in an unrecogniseable costume, but extremely piercing blue eyes, was in The Moose during the Halloween party? He or she was in there with Derek, talking rubbish (about relationships?) to the MC.

Finally, I feel that Doc Cake really wants us to leave Nicole alone. First decide between a date with Nicole or Nora and her asshole cat Fluffy. Later on it's either dump Nicole or Lily. Therefore my updated relationship predictions slighly change: Nora - No (teacher, cat sabotaging the relationship; MC may be trapped by a baby though - could lead to Nora having custody); Nicole - No (MC isn't comfortable with being responsible for her kid as stepfather, her husband is just waiting for her to screw up somehow, and it still remains that she is 10 years older and her kid just 9 years younger); Lily - Yes (if you are on the gentle sex decision and she keeps opening up to MC, and leaves the Pink Rose behind after finishing her studies, as she wants to go for a "serious job"); Zoey - possible Yes (if you take her back and she gets into B&R for her art program - even if she wants to travel the world for inspiration afterwards and MC is stuck with a science project somewhere. We had that similarly in Rebecca's ending in Melody.).

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General stuff:

* So during Party Planning Nick is obviously gone, but why does MC, who is replacing him, start out with 0% happiness? That makes no sense and it's just dragging down the score. Speaking of which, is it possible to get a good grade for Christmas? I managed S on both Halloween and Thanksgiving, but Christmas is mostly D or E with just once a B on the Others path.

* Speaking of Nick, of course throwing anybody and everything under the bus is way out of line, but I am willing to give him some leeway since he was cornered with no escape. (I guess, IRL I would lash out too and deal with remorse later.) And Tommy started the shitshow with Heather. So for now I am keeping his (and Tara's) attitude score low and see what will come out of it.

* Can anybody please tell me in a spoiler about Quinn's sob story that made people come around on her? I have no intention of playing her path, but I'm kinda interested.

* It felt a bit weak, but on Jill's CHICK path I liked the opportunity to let Kylie and Penny (shame that we couldn't pick her for best costume at the Halloween party!) in so that they can apologise in person. The DIK decision is coercion though, and I don't know about US law, but that could get you into real trouble over here. (Monetary fine or up to 1 year in prison; up to 5 years if something happens to either one on their way back or up to 10 years should one of them commit suicide because of it.)

* The puzzle box was okay the first time, and I did not mind the two Maya renders since she is my favourite. However, after that it's just pointless and annoying.

* I also like the new Science minigame, while Math is hit and miss. I usually am sure that I got the correct solution, checked and double checked, but then the summary states that I still got it wrong and I don't know where I screwed up.

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Not ill this time, but another sleepless night made me think of the different main girl paths. (Sans Isabella, since I haven't played hers yet. Still think it's headed for disaster, though.)

* Thouple: Maya is the sweet centerpiece of it all, and of course she takes center stage. "Miss Alady" Josy is a nice sidekick, mostly chipper, but a bit withdrawn lately. Could definitely improve communication, but it seems they are headed in the right direction after Bella's Christmas party. I still see a temporary breakup coming in C12. Maybe permanent in S4 if you've favoured one of them too much, or sailing into the sunset with both if you've balanced it correctly. With the relationship being longer and him meeting the two girls Neil will also come around. Individually he should like them like Sage and Jill. (Not so sure with Bella.)

* Jill and Sage: Jill is nice and sweet and all, and she's coming out of her shell, but I feel she doesn't really bring much to the table. She's the good friend / love interest in the background, giving advice when needed, but is only affiliated with the Preps, and we don't have any interaction with them save for a truce with three of them (nothing much comes out of it) and there is Tyballs, the "antagonist" that I can't take serious at all. Other than that her affiliation is with her group of friends who we have even less interaction with; at least Bianca got a bit more story in the cabin. Contrast that with Sage, who comes with the sorority that we constantly interact with and the real dangerous antagonist Quinn (whose guts I hate with a passion, but I can respect how she is written). Plus she is also tied in with possibly the head of the Prostitution Ring (although that might be the mysterious Priscilla) by relation, and Quinn brings her family of drug dealers in and Vinny who could be life-threatening for the MC. In short and with an analogy, while we have Gryffindors and some Slytherins in the DIKs and HOTs, the Preps and the Nerds are the forgotten and overlooked Hufflepuffs and Ravenclaws. And of course, the Jocks are Slytherins. (Too bad, I liked Ravenclaw. ;))

Thanks for bearing with me through the long-ass wall of text. :whistle:
Crazy take about Bianca, I prefer her to Jill by a significant margin though I acknowledge that the path is evil as shit!
 

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So near the end of Episode 11 what is wrong with Josy is Josy having second thoughts about the relationship between her, Maya & the MC???
 

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You ALMOST had me intrigued but my loathing for Quinn just won't allow it. Shame because Rio is the one girl who I wish was a love interest. Sure I like Sally but sweet Rio I would take over any of the current LIs. Good bait Cay. :)
If Ermine/Rat analogy did not intrigue you, broccoli would definitely change your mind (regarding whether i am baiting, not regarding your opinion on quinn)
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But i digress. My point is that there is a good reason why i proudly call myself Riona's #1 fan or Riona stan, and its not a bait.
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This! Right here! I mean I didn't think about that "hiding the body" stuff but I did feel like I deserved the sexy bee outfit when she's my lady vs a corduroy banana!
I prefer it the way we get it. Banana jill would never be at DIK's party if not for MC. Its thanks to MC accepting Jill for who she is that makes her comfortable to not only attend fraternity's halloween party but also be herself while at it.
While i understand your point, i would prefer banana jill for CHICK route as its perfect dynamic for their relationship. Though i also agree DIK mc should have option to interact with sexy bee jill more at least.
But back to my point, only reason she tries to go out of her shelf is because she realizes if not even MC likes her for who she is, maybe she needs to change herself. this trigger would make no sense while mc dates jill
 
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So we're besties with Elena and she doesn't want to risk our friendship for a romp. What TF did I miss, was there some serious off-screen bonding going on somehow?
You accepted her special shot at the dorm party, it's required to be good friends with Elena and for sharing with JB.
It would make sense that "relationship Jill" dresses as sexy bee for the MC while "timid Jill" hides her body in a banana suit.
Banana hater detected. Opinion discarded :sneaky:
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And that's another thing that bothers me about this arc, thanks for pointing that out, Spock. MC barely interacts with this story. Warn Maya - no, mention it somewhere in the DIKs - no, and in general I haven't heard that anyone in the game world bragging that sorority girls provide sex services. It's like it doesn't exist outside of Quinn's story and MC's imagination.
If the drugs story feels real and believable, prostitution story have several problems.
the restaurant is for Burke, without this business being discovered Burke would get away with it and that is impossible.
 
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The restaurant rides the line of that dread evil some players hate—NTR :HideThePain:
So DPC can't have guys walking around bragging that they banged Cammy, or give a face to whoever just got sucked off by Rio in Episode 1, or anything like that (Not that it never happens, Jamie mentioned hooking up with Rio before, Tommy comments on her blowjob skills, etc). It's probably a contributing factor to why Mona didn't go all the way with Stephen, too.

Oh and no one come here to try and define NTR or any stupid shit like that, I would rather kill myself than get into the nuances of the subcategories or whatever the fuck :cautious:
Yes, it was in Episode 2 when Riona's sexual escapades were mentioned and in Ep. 1 when we first look at the frats we can see Dawe touching her. :sick:
It was a much calmer 2019, AVN culture was just developing and there weren't as many of those pesky activists, the developers were more daring in such vanilla VNs and did not engage in self-censorship.
Now we see that DPC introduced a whole cast of third-party girls so that DIKs could have their own couples and a semblance of a personal life, which makes the game more alive. The main thing is that these girls don't intersect with MC, but this was enough to make one redditor cry about KRJ/Jamie.
But in some way, the unspoken rule was broken when we got the Elena scene.
Oh absolutely I know, regardless of paths, you can't really get away from it, Quinn will always offer you a chance, Mona will always refuse to do stuff, and Burke will always need to discuss things with Pricilla after the meeting with Maya, and as I said, most of us have the added insight of seeing the angle from multiple paths so we can place things together, but still on some its barely a footnote and on a Strict Chick Jill path, consequences to it are kinda irrelevant to the story, as the angle itself has kinda been inrelivent to the story
If we talk about hypothetical consequences, then yes, Jill's path is to be away from all this, same as Bella.
 
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