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reality check, if "something happened" between two people be it same gender or not, it is uncommon, or better yet it is so uncomfortable to still be friends. it may not be 100% applicable to all people, but my statement still stands
I can personally attest to it not being applicable to all people based on personal experience, and Jill's character, to me, is one who seems like she could easily brush it off and think nothing more of it. Bella, however, feels guilt because of her marital status and her friendship with Jill.
 

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I can personally attest to it not being applicable to all people based on personal experience, and Jill's character, to me, is one who seems like she could easily brush it off and think nothing more of it. Bella, however, feels guilt because of her marital status and her friendship with Jill.
let's assume you're right. Jill can shrug it off easily, then why would Bella bother protecting her? guilt? i dont think so, that would be just rubbing salt on the wound. well, it's your opinion i respect that. but i clearly dont agree to that
 

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There is no way Bella and Jill have ever been a thing it's definitely a more sisterly relationship than anything else. The friend she is referring to is the Burkes Bella was once friends with them but when they tried things with her it has most likely put her off and she felt guilt for even entertaining the idea.
 

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let's assume you're right. Jill can shrug it off easily, then why would Bella bother protecting her? guilt? i dont think so, that would be just rubbing salt on the wound. well, it's your opinion i respect that. but i clearly dont agree to that
I think Bella's been protective of her way before any possible incident between them, not because of it. As I've said previously, she could have been a friend of Jill's late sister, one who has known her all her life, and so when Jill's sister died, Bella became a surrogate sister/close friend. The incident occurred some time ago and they have moved past it, but Bella's burgeoning feelings for the MC simply reminded her of it in that moment because it feels like a similar betrayal of trust; she feels like she's betraying her husband's trust with what she's doing with the MC and feels like she betrayed Jill's trust when they shared an intimate moment.
 

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I think Bella's been protective of her way before any possible incident between them, not because of it. As I've said previously, she could have been a friend of Jill's late sister, one who has known her all her life, and so when Jill's sister died, Bella became a surrogate sister/close friend. The incident occurred some time ago and they have moved past it, but Bella's burgeoning feelings for the MC simply reminded her of it in that moment because it feels like a similar betrayal of trust; she feels like she's betraying her husband's trust with what she's doing with the MC and feels like she betrayed Jill's trust when they shared an intimate moment.
doing so would be betraying their friendship
 

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There is no way Bella and Jill have ever been a thing it's definitely a more sisterly relationship than anything else. The friend she is referring to is the Burkes Bella was once friends with them but when they tried things with her it has most likely put her off and she felt guilt for even entertaining the idea.
Are the Burkes Jade and her husband? If so, then the idea of Jade either having or even entertaining the idea of a threesome with another woman, particularly Bella, with her husband who she despises seems way more far-fetched than anything I've been talking about.

Also, and I cannot stress this enough, I AM NOT saying that Bella and Jill were ever, or will ever be, "a thing", but that they may have simply shared an intimate moment that they swiftly moved past. That's it. The end. Nothing more to it than that.
 

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Are the Burkes Jade and her husband? If so, then the idea of Jade either having or even entertaining the idea of a threesome with another woman, particularly Bella, with her husband who she despises seems way more far-fetched than anything I've been talking about.

Also, and I cannot stress this enough, I AM NOT saying that Bella and Jill were ever, or will ever be, "a thing", but that they may have simply shared an intimate moment that they swiftly moved past. That's it. The end. Nothing more to it than that.
It wasn't always like that with them though Jade gave up on the idea after the things Stephen did I believe it all started when she tells us that he once called out for Cathy and not to mention his cheating with students. Jade was onboard with the idea but not anymore.

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Nothing on that scale yet no.
 

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Nothing on that level yet and hoepfully never, but there will likely be difficult choices about which girls to be with and we already had our first one in Episode 4.
 
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It wasn't always like that with them though Jade gave up on the idea after the things Stephen did I believe it all started when she tells us that he once called out for Cathy and not to mention his cheating with students. Jade was onboard with the idea but not anymore.
Perhaps, but the way Bella is so torn up about how she feels about the MC with regards to her marital status, I don't see her being someone who would willingly join a threesome with another couple. Of course, it may have happened when she wasn't married, but I don't see her and Jade ever being or having been friends, and the same definitely goes for Stephen.
 

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I'm not trying to "make it a thing", I'm simply speaking to what I've observed in this game. It's a theory, sure, but I don't see it as being that implausible.

For starters, who else could be the "friend" if not Jill? Jade? Cathy? Jill's sister? I would consider each of those to be more far-fetched than Jill because there has been zero indication that Bella is in any way friends with Jade and Cathy, and if it were Jill's sister, why would she still feel guilty after all these years? Is it the guilt over doing something with Jill's sister years ago that led her to be a protective sister-figure for Jill to make up for it? Possibly, but I just don't see a line getting thrown in like if it didn't have relevance to the present-day story and a character within it. It is, to me, like how Maya and Josy's lines about their relationships were clearly going to relate to a character we already knew and that their respective relationships would eventually be revealed, which they were.

Also, I don't see it as being that out of character for Jill either. Sure, her personality is that of a sweet, kind, innocent person with a positive outlook on life and people, but that doesn't mean she couldn't intimately kiss another woman in the right circumstances, like getting upset over a guy and taking comfort in the arms of a close friend. Friends sharing an intimate moment is something that happens and doesn't have to lead to anything more. It can easily be a one-and-done thing that is quickly forgotten about and moved past, and I know of what I speak because it's happened to me before. So I could easily see Jill think nothing of it and brush it off like it wasn't a big deal.

From what I've gathered about this game, DPC is very good at putting in these little breadcrumbs that set-up future plot points and story details, especially when it comes to the main girls and characters that are key parts of the overall story arc. This is why I don't think Bella's like was a throwaway that means nothing, but it also doesn't mean that I think it indicates a past or future relationship for Jill and Bella. I'm not saying that the MC will find himself in another threesome and I'm not trying to "make it a thing", I am simply saying that I believe that line referred to Jill. Nothing more.
I'm not trying to "make it a thing", I'm simply speaking to what I've observed in this game. It's a theory, sure, but I don't see it as being that implausible.
Alright then whatever you say, but that is implausible and what do you mean by "guilt" what guilt are you talking about Bella having done some sort of thing to Jill? I never seen anything of sorts in the game of guilty except for what happened after when the MC kissed Bella. Bella told Jill to date the MC so that she can't cheat with the MC since she is "married". Bella feels guilty because she kissed a student and because she is a married woman.

For starters, who else could be the "friend" if not Jill? Jade? Cathy? Jill's sister?
What are you on about here?

like how Maya and Josy's lines about their relationships were clearly going to relate to a character we already knew and that their respective relationships would eventually be revealed, which they were.
Yeah, we knew that at some point we would find out who is with Josy, but I doubt a lot of people thought it was going to be with Maya since back then people didn't except her to lie to the MC like that. But anyway back to the point, so what you are saying from what I observed on you is that if two girls are friends or best friends, they could be intimate, sure they could but that's very and I mean very unlikely.

Also, I don't see it as being that out of character for Jill either. Sure, her personality is that of a sweet, kind, innocent person with a positive outlook on life and people, but that doesn't mean she couldn't intimately kiss another woman in the right circumstances, like getting upset over a guy and taking comfort in the arms of a close friend. Friends sharing an intimate moment is something that happens and doesn't have to lead to anything more. It can easily be a one-and-done thing that is quickly forgotten about and moved past, and I know of what I speak because it's happened to me before. So I could easily see Jill think nothing of it and brush it off like it wasn't a big deal.
You see one thing I see one thing, but I think the more important thing is what DPC sees. Sure there is women that are bi and friends that kiss each other but don't have an actual real relationship, but not all of them, but what I've experienced with Jill and Bella and my shit ton of playthroughs that these theories that your posting doesn't fit the characters at all. We already have a lesbian couple as well I don't think DPC wants to have a story of Jill and Bella being or were a lesbian couple.

From what I've gathered about this game, DPC is very good at putting in these little breadcrumbs that set-up future plot points and story details, especially when it comes to the main girls and characters that are key parts of the overall story arc. This is why I don't think Bella's like was a throwaway that means nothing, but it also doesn't mean that I think it indicates a past or future relationship for Jill and Bella. I'm not saying that the MC will find himself in another threesome and I'm not trying to "make it a thing", I am simply saying that I believe that line referred to Jill. Nothing more.
Everyone can post theories I get that, but these theories your posting doesn't make any sense to me, I have replayed this game so many times and looked around for clues and shit, these theories you posted about the harem route and Jill & Bella doesn't make any sense and it sounds like you want to make it a thing.



Sorry if I sound like a dick but these theories you posted are just theories I guess that will prob never happen so I'll leave you to it there is no point discussing about your theories. If it happens well woo, I'm wrong and your right but well let's be honest here I don't think that shit will happen.
 

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But what is friendship if not a relationship built on trust? The two things aren't mutually exclusive.
what i meant is that bella would be betraying her friendship to jill's sister if she tried to make a move on jill or even vice versa. who in the right mind would do that? sisterly figure and then just take advantage of "sister"'s innocence or weakness? well, your opinion.
 

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Alright then whatever you say, but that is implausible and what do you mean by "guilt" what guilt are you talking about Bella having done some sort of thing to Jill? I never seen anything of sorts in the game of guilty except for what happened after when the MC kissed Bella. Bella told Jill to date the MC so that she can't cheat with the MC since she is "married". Bella feels guilty because she kissed a student and because she is a married woman.

What are you on about here?
Yes, Bella does feel guilty for kissing a student, that much is clear, but she also expresses guilt for having been intimate with a friend.
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She doesn't consider the MC to be a friend, so it can't be him, it also doesn't feel like this is referring to Jade, Cathy, Stephen, or any other known character besides the one person who we know is her actual friend. The guilt she feels with the MC is likely reminding her of a past incident with similar feelings of betrayal, that's why she thinks this thought when thinking about the MC.

When she says that the friend incident was different, it could easily be because her intimacy with the MC is based on actual feelings for him whereas the possible incident with Bella was simply a moment of vulnerability on either or both of their parts that ultmately didn't mean anything more.

Yeah, we knew that at some point we would find out who is with Josy, but I doubt a lot of people thought it was going to be with Maya since back then people didn't except her to lie to the MC like that. But anyway back to the point, so what you are saying from what I observed on you is that if two girls are friends or best friends, they could be intimate, sure they could but that's very and I mean very unlikely.
Well I for one did think it would be revealed to be Josy. I wasn't around in this thread when that speculation on Josy's boyfriend was happening, but when I played it last week for the first time, it became very apparent to me around the time when the MC agrees to help Maya with her scavenger hunt challenges. There was something in that conversation, I can't remember exactly what, that made me literally shout, "It's Josy!". Then with the whole "march of the rejects" thing and Josy asking for the MCs room number, that sealed it for me.

As for girls who are friends being intimate, it does happen, whether it's a slobbery drunken kiss at a party, or as part of a drinking game, or a moment of weakness when they're feeling vulnerable and in need of intimacy. Hell, the "dildo spin" game has girls kissing girls. That's still intimacy, even if it's just a fun party game.

You see one thing I see one thing, but I think the more important thing is what DPC sees. Sure there is women that are bi and friends that kiss each other but don't have an actual real relationship, but not all of them, but what I've experienced with Jill and Bella and my shit ton of playthroughs that these theories that your posting doesn't fit the characters at all. We already have a lesbian couple as well I don't think DPC wants to have a story of Jill and Bella being or were a lesbian couple.
Again, I AM NOT SAYING THAT JILL AND BELLA HAVE BEEN OR EVER WILL BE A LESBIAN COUPLE!! Two people can, and do, share an intimate kiss that doesn't lead to anything and that they can both move past. That's all that I think this is.

Everyone can post theories I get that, but these theories your posting doesn't make any sense to me, I have replayed this game so many times and looked around for clues and shit, these theories you posted about the harem route and Jill & Bella doesn't make any sense and it sounds like you want to make it a thing.
The harem thing I mentioned earlier wasn't a theory, per se, just more of a fantasy hope that I don't believe will happen. It's just that I like all the main girls and, at the moment, don't really want to see the MC break up with them, even though I know he likely will have to.
 

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what i meant is that bella would be betraying her friendship to jill's sister if she tried to make a move on jill or even vice versa. who in the right mind would do that? sisterly figure and then just take advantage of "sister"'s innocence or weakness? well, your opinion.
Everyone can make a mistake, like kissing your friend's girl/boyfriend, so it's not outside the realms of possibility that this could happen between Jill and Bella, if the circumstances were right.
 
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Everyone can make a mistake, like kissing your friend's girl/boyfriend, so it's not outside the realms of possibility that this could happen between Jill and Bella, if the circumstances were right.
but the circumstances here are not right, well as you stated "like kissing your friend's girl/boyfriend" is so wrong. and it's not bf/gf with jill and bella, their relationship is most likely sisters not lovers
 
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