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Not sure I agree there, ename144.

How do you know "Tommy just isn't this vindictive, driven antagonist"?

Every indication so far is that he is. He's a petty, morally bankrupt, self-centered jerk. I see nothing to indicate he's a secretly friendly beneath the attitude with a short attention span (not sure where you got his attention deficit from...please clarify). Certainly none but negative traits you are ascribing to him have been displayed or hinted at anywhere in the story's clear depiction of the character as Doc has written into the story.

The ending of Episode 5, along with other scenes earlier, suggests the possibility that Tommy might be a problem, not only for the MC, but the DIKs. While it is certainly possible that he will, as Rusty indicated, "come around," there is nothing from the narrative to suggest he will.

As we get closer to the end of the story...lets assume that Episode 6 is the kick off for the climax of the story (Doc did say 6 will be much longer than any other episode to date). If that's the case, then the "conflict" for the "protagonist" has to escalate for storytelling purposes. From a storytelling standpoint, adding Tommy to the MC's problems seems quite likely given that Doc has taken pains to paint the guy as an antagonist so far, as bad or worse than Quinn. Particularly since the main conflict for the character (Hell Week) is now over. That conflict is resolved. An offended Tommy, pissed at the upstart newbie MC trying to take his place, is a reasonable and likely replacement for the Hell Week conflict.

Tommy has never been in any way an ally of the MC. I expect him to be a problem. If not, that would be a missed storytelling opportunity.
the problem with Tommy is that almost everything he shows us is negative: he has a bad temper, he doesn't appear to be a good friend or a good deputy to Rusty, whom he only seems to take advantage of economically.

but in the end in the actions he has no great faults, he is a dog that barks but does not bite, he did it towards Josy for example, a lot of talk but in the end no action against his stepsister.
he has to do with Quinn, but there too a lot of chatter, a lot of private meetings, but in the end he is out of her business.

we are on the alert and expect the worst from him, but he may also continue to bark
 

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Not sure I agree there, ename144.

How do you know "Tommy just isn't this vindictive, driven antagonist"?

Every indication so far is that he is. He's a petty, morally bankrupt, self-centered jerk. I see nothing to indicate he's a secretly friendly beneath the attitude with a short attention span (not sure where you got his attention deficit from...please clarify). Certainly none but negative traits you are ascribing to him have been displayed or hinted at anywhere in the story's clear depiction of the character as Doc has written into the story.

The ending of Episode 5, along with other scenes earlier, suggests the possibility that Tommy might be a problem, not only for the MC, but the DIKs. While it is certainly possible that he will, as Rusty indicated, "come around," there is nothing from the narrative to suggest he will.

As we get closer to the end of the story...lets assume that Episode 6 is the kick off for the climax of the story (Doc did say 6 will be much longer than any other episode to date). If that's the case, then the "conflict" for the "protagonist" has to escalate for storytelling purposes. From a storytelling standpoint, adding Tommy to the MC's problems seems quite likely given that Doc has taken pains to paint the guy as an antagonist so far, as bad or worse than Quinn. Particularly since the main conflict for the character (Hell Week) is now over. That conflict is resolved. An offended Tommy, pissed at the upstart newbie MC trying to take his place, is a reasonable and likely replacement for the Hell Week conflict.

Tommy has never been in any way an ally of the MC. I expect him to be a problem. If not, that would be a missed storytelling opportunity.
If you truly think that then you haven't been paying attention to Tommy's character like at all. 5 episodes in and if there's just one thing Tommy genuinely gives a fuck about it's the DIK's and their traditions. We've been consistently shown that since episode 1. We're all aware of Tommy's endless list of reasons that him unlikable shit person but like the people who MC talks to says-Tommy getting upset and lashing out isn't anything new he'll get over it and come around like Rusty states, he doesn't have another choice and he knows that.

Tommy going against the MC and the rest of the DIK's wouldn't be a "missed storytelling opportunity." it'd be a bizzare plot hole that would go against his character.

I personally don't view Tommy as an antagonist like some do but more of an annoying thorn on MC's side.
 

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Loved playing this game, I enjoy the mini games, they're an interesting way to interact with the story! I couldn't sleep because I wanted to as far as I could. I'm so stuck in between choosing Josy, Maya, Jill, Bella, and Sage. I love them all.
Don't you love Quinn, Riona, Camilla, Mona, Sarah, Melanie, Heather, Elena, Jade, Cathy, Envy, Lily, Rose, Brandy, Arieth, Sally and KRJ ??? maybe I forget Dany, Minny and Wendy...
 
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Don't you love Quinn, Riona, Camilla, Mona, Sarah, Melanie, Heather, Elena, Jade, Cathy, Envy, Lily, Rose, Brandy, Arieth, Sally and KRJ ??? maybe I forget Dany, Minny and Wendy...
Haha I'm going through the game again and definitely love Riona, Camilla, Mona, Envy, Lily, Mona, Sarah, Mel.... there's so many of them to love!
 

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you have done an amazing job on this project. I liked your first project until the choices at the end. I am a total fan, but I am also concerned that you might take this project in a direction that might be too similar to Acting Lessons. Please do not reduce Bella to the same position as Leah. Please do not veer into incest on Jill. Granted Incest did not appear in AL, but you gave us the no good choice ending, basically forced. It is your project, your choice. I implore you to not take the paths I mentioned above.
Respectfully
Chuck
 

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Tommy is to weak (emotional) to be an antagonist...
Far from it, do you imagine only a Billy Big Bollocks could go to the college administrators with the footage of MC and Jade? That's a bitch move which is exactly what I expect someone tp Tommy to do.

I understand not everyone will have had that scene (or showed it if the did), the footage is just one example of what a weak antagonist would do.
 

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Far from it, do you imagine only a Billy Big Bollocks could go to the college administrators with the footage of MC and Jade? That's a bitch move which is exactly what I expect someone tp Tommy to do.

I understand not everyone will have had that scene (or showed it if the did), the footage is just one example of what a weak antagonist would do.
his character weakness, let's call it insecurity, could become the reason why Tommy could do nonsense at MC's expense

for fear of losing the leadership of the DIKs for example (at this moment this seems to me the only possible area of conflict between the two, Josy would be more of a nuisance than anything else for Tommy)
 
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He's an egomaniac and more importantly a junkie, junkies are unpredictable and dangerous.
Hmm, depends on how you define "Junkie". I've met plenty of people in my life that used various drugs of different classes and strengths that kept their lives and social circles together just fine. (I may not have agreed but it's their life) I'd be more inclined to say a Junkie is someone that would pretty much be willing to do just about anything to get their next fix. Tommy is volatile though which may make him unpredictable. ;)
 

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Hmm, depends on how you define "Junkie". I've met plenty of people in my life that used various drugs of different classes and strengths that kept their lives and social circles together just fine. (I may not have agreed but it's their life) I'd be more inclined to say a Junkie is someone that would pretty much be willing to do just about anything to get their next fix. Tommy is volatile though which may make him unpredictable. ;)
So far we have seen him smoking pot and getting shots of some kind of injectable, so polydrug and hard drugs, he's not just taking some beers or smoking pot after work.
I think in the flashback he looks stronger or healthier, in the present timeline he looks like a short fuse junkie and that means problems.
 

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If you truly think that then you haven't been paying attention to Tommy's character like at all. 5 episodes in and if there's just one thing Tommy genuinely gives a fuck about it's the DIK's and their traditions. We've been consistently shown that since episode 1. We're all aware of Tommy's endless list of reasons that him unlikable shit person but like the people who MC talks to says-Tommy getting upset and lashing out isn't anything new he'll get over it and come around like Rusty states, he doesn't have another choice and he knows that.

Tommy going against the MC and the rest of the DIK's wouldn't be a "missed storytelling opportunity." it'd be a bizzare plot hole that would go against his character.

I personally don't view Tommy as an antagonist like some do but more of an annoying thorn on MC's side.
Tommy befriended Rusty because he had money. He latched on to him like a parasite, and even though Rusty is the one to suggest starting a fraternity, it looks a lot like Tommy was leading him towards that thought with the "I told you so" about the Preps, and then dismissing the Jocks and Nerds as viable frats to join. It's as though he was saying without saying, "Oh, if only there was a way to set up our own frat, but for that we'd need money and where, oh where, are we going to get that?" *wink-wink*. It feels quite manipulative, like he's using Rusty to get something that he (Tommy) wants.

The DIKs, for Tommy, seem to have always just been about him being able to have fun, mess around in college, and to not have to have any responsibility for its upkeep, and when something threatens that, like what has happened with Rusty's Dad cutting them off and the MC's plan of self-sustainability, his true colours are revealed. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the real story behind Vinny "dropping out" had to do with something he'd done that threatened to disband the DIKs, and Tommy convinced everyone to throw him under the bus in order to save the DIKs.

Tommy may genuinely care about the DIKs, but only in so far as he cares about the frat itself because it's his ideal party frat with zero responsibility and accountability and he wants to keep it that way, but the MC threatens to change that. So Tommy might just do something to try and oust the MC if he were to see such an opportunity because he feels like more of a dark horse antagonist than someone who will become a true friend to the MC.

Far from it, do you imagine only a Billy Big Bollocks could go to the college administrators with the footage of MC and Jade? That's a bitch move which is exactly what I expect someone tp Tommy to do.

I understand not everyone will have had that scene (or showed it if the did), the footage is just one example of what a weak antagonist would do.
Exactly. Tommy might seem like a "dog with no bark", but maybe he's the type who prefers to mess with people indirectly rather than directly, like for example, setting up fake Tybalt accounts to troll him or sending pictures to the Jocks of Arieth fucking every DIK. I could see Tommy being the type of person to do something like that, like he's someone who acts tough on the outside but then he pulls these kinds of sneaky, underhanded moves under the cloak of anonymity. But when things boil over, like in Ep 5, he does something rash and impulsive which he then immediately shrinks away from when it comes back on him.
 
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Wait, quick question:
I just saw a YouTube video where it showed mc in a relationship between maya and josy. I assume in my playthrough because I did things with sage etc that that option wasn't available, correct?
So if I did a second playthrough where I was pure maya/josy, I'd have that story line?
 

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Wait, quick question:
I just saw a YouTube video where it showed mc in a relationship between maya and josy. I assume in my playthrough because I did things with sage etc that that option wasn't available, correct?
So if I did a second playthrough where I was pure maya/josy, I'd have that story line?
In order to be in a relationship with M&J you need to have Neutral or CHICK affinity and have stayed with Josy in ep 2 and/or stayed with Maya in ep 3 as these are the requirements for them to accept "something more" with him. This can still happen even if you're pursuing Sage, Jill, and/or Bella.
 
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In order to be in a relationship with M&J you need to have Neutral or CHICK affinity and have stayed with Josy in ep 2 and/or stayed with Maya in ep 3 as these are the requirements for them to accept "something more" with him. This can still happen even if you're pursuing Sage, Jill, and/or Bella.
Hmm, I didn't get that option, from what I read in the video comments, you can't smoke the weed, stay with maya's brother and avoid sage. In any case im going to relay this as maya/josy are my main focus.

This is a huge relief to me also, I didn't even know that wadscurrently an option. I was distraught that the option wasn't even available.

Thanks
 

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Hmm, I didn't get that option, from what I read in the video comments, you can't smoke the weed, stay with maya's brother and avoid sage. In any case im going to relay this as maya/josy are my main focus.

Thanks
Well, those comments are wrong because you can smoke with Quinn so long as doing so doesn't push you into DIK affinity and you can stay with anyone you want at the end of Ep3 if all options are open. These do not affect being able to get "something more" with M&J.
 

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Hmm, I didn't get that option, from what I read in the video comments, you can't smoke the weed, stay with maya's brother and avoid sage. In any case im going to relay this as maya/josy are my main focus.

This is a huge relief to me also, I didn't even know that wadscurrently an option. I was distraught that the option wasn't even available.

Thanks
if you are struggling then the walkthrough may be of use to you as it is useful in that regard. As the oracle HB says...you need to have had a lewd scene with one of them...and be of the right 'affinity', so don't be making too many DIK affinity choices prior to the 'meeting' with them after the revelation.
 
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Well, those comments are wrong because you can smoke with Quinn so long as doing so doesn't push you into DIK affinity and you can stay with anyone you want at the end of Ep3 if all options are open. These do not affect being able to get "something more" with M&J.
Cool thanks, I'm still going to start over. I have literally no interest in anything other than maya (and if josy is part of it, then it's a bonus), maybe I'll have two playthroughs, dik route and then the maya route.

This news really redeems the game for me, lol my playthrough really left a sour taste in my mouth.
 
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