VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Warped77]

But that's where it's subjective. What is dark about Blade runner..at all? Curious how you see what I do not think is there.

Yep.

This whole conversation about 'dark' vs 'tragic' vs 'heavy' vs 'snozberries' or whatever is suuuuuper subjective and kinda silly anyway. Everyone seems to be stating their opinions on what defines each as though they were fact. I'd love to see a credible source given that defines any real difference between them. Otherwise, I see no reason not to use them interchangeably.

Again, I'd go back to Jojo Rabbit. For anyone who hasn't seen it, I'm definitely NOT going to spoil it (...and no one else should either, dammit, or you're the worst kind of asshole, really), but for those who have... Would you try to claim that the 'red shoes' scene invalidates the film as a comedy? Is that scene dark? tragic? heavy? I'd sure as shit say it's 'all of the above'.

 

[Roelandt]

But that's where it's subjective. What is dark about Blade runner..at all? Curious how you see what I do not think is there.

My understanding is actually as these terms are defined. I've been an writer, play-write, director, and actor (I'm a sucky actor) for a few decades so all this we're talking about is my bread and butter. I love it.

Google it. I don't want to write an article here and bore myself and everyone. I'm already enough of a blabbermouth. Hehe. The information is there if you take the time to check it out. You can discover the distinction of dark, tragedy, comedy, crime, slapstick, drama, western, sci-fi, romance, etc. Then you can see what makes slapstick sci-fi's; romantic tragedies; comedy westerns. What's a plot and a storyline? What are themes and tones? It's all out there.

Do it. It's kinda interesting (if writing or critical analysis interests you that is).

 

[lemonfreak]

My understanding is actually as these terms are defined. I've been an writer, play-write, director, and actor (I'm a sucky actor) for a few decades so all this we're talking about is my bread and butter. I love it.

Google it. I don't want to write an article here and bore myself and everyone. I'm already enough of a blabbermouth. Hehe. The information is there if you take the time to check it out. You can discover the distinction of dark, tragedy, comedy, crime, slapstick, drama, western, sci-fi, romance, etc. Then you can see what makes slapstick sci-fi's; romantic tragedies; comedy westerns. What's a plot and a storyline? What are themes and tones? It's all out there.

Do it. It's kinda interesting (if writing or critical analysis interests you that is).

This is the internet, why would I take advantage of this repository of all human knowledge when I could state my ill-informed opinions as fact?

 

[Debaser Pixie]

Holy Shit.

Took a break from this a few seasons back to let the story progress, came back and started playing the game acting as I would in real life. The story writing and superb logic tree's made it possible, and since I am a bit of a dick in real life, I ended up on the moderate DIK route. Messed around a little but turned down sex with everyone but Josy and Maya, first because I liked both of their character writings the best (reminded me of friends), and then increasingly I saw an opportunity for a little harem. Can't choose between two beautiful, awesome chicks? Split the difference with chicks who would realistically function as sister-wives? Yes please! Polygamy here I come!......

Then I actually felt honest to God feelings when, much to my horror, I discovered that not only can you not have them both as a DIK, you can't have either of them. I'm a grown ass man, I don't get emotionally affected by fucking games. Yet here I sit, feeling offended and slightly betrayed, and yes even sad that I lost both of them. This speaks more to the talents of PinkCakes writing then anything I could say otherwise. This isn't some goofball male fantasy scenario, the characters display a complexity and depth that transcends typically simple, ham-handed and juvenile writing that you normally expect.

Dr. PinkCake, you actually managed to give me feels. I salute you for it, you cruel and magnificent bastard. If you need me I will be drowning my sorrow in a bottle. Fucker.

 

[Roelandt]

Thinking outloud....

Leaks about her genetic link to the main character.

Nothing wrong about thinking out loud.

But...what leaks are you referring to? There are no leaks on that subject. Just unsubstantiated wild theories on the Forum for people who want incest in their games.

 

[Roelandt]

This is the internet, why would I take advantage of this repository of all human knowledge when I could state my ill-informed opinions as fact?

Hahaha!

Lemonfreak...you're just awesome, dude.

 

[lemonfreak]

Holy Shit.

Took a break from this a few seasons back to let the story progress, came back and started playing the game acting as I would in real life. The story writing and superb logic tree's made it possible, and since I am a bit of a dick in real life, I ended up on the moderate DIK route. Messed around a little but turned down sex with everyone but Josy and Maya, first because I liked both of their character writings the best (reminded me of friends), and then increasingly I saw an opportunity for a little harem. Can't choose between two beautiful, awesome chicks? Split the difference with chicks who would realistically function as sister-wives? Yes please! Polygamy here I come!......

Then I actually felt honest to God feelings when, much to my horror, I discovered that not only can you not have them both as a DIK, you can't have either of them. I'm a grown ass man, I don't get emotionally affected by fucking games. Yet here I sit, feeling offended and slightly betrayed, and yes even sad that I lost both of them. This speaks more to the talents of PinkCakes writing then anything I could say otherwise. This isn't some goofball male fantasy scenario, the characters display a complexity and depth that transcends typically simple, ham-handed and juvenile writing that you normally expect.

Dr. PinkCake, you actually managed to give me feels. I salute you for it, you cruel and magnificent bastard. If you need me I will be drowning my sorrow in a bottle. Fucker.

I think it's more accurate to say you can't have either of them yet. You can indicate interest in one of them afterwards and, since I suspect Josy prefers more of a Dik than a Chick, she may very well be a potential LI for your MC (Maya seems so Chick focused that you'll probably not succeed with her)

 

[Warped77]

My understanding is actually as these terms are defined. I've been an writer, play-write, director, and actor (I'm a sucky actor) for a few decades so all this we're talking about is my bread and butter. I love it.

Google it. I don't want to write an article here and bore myself and everyone. I'm already enough of a blabbermouth. Hehe. The information is there if you take the time to check it out. You can discover the distinction of dark, tragedy, comedy, crime, slapstick, drama, western, sci-fi, romance, etc. Then you can see what makes slapstick sci-fi's; romantic tragedies; comedy westerns. What's a plot and a storyline? What are themes and tones? It's all out there.

Do it. It's kinda interesting (if writing or critical analysis interests you that is).

Taking your advice... Google 'dark vs. heavy in film' or some equivalent. No good information comes up, and what does is just more opinion. For instance, is something like Cabin in the woods actually a 'dark comedy' or not (I'd call it a horror comedy with some dark humor... but hey... opinion again!)? No one can seem agree.

Sure, the definition of Tragedy vs Comedy is very well known by most, even as it has evolved from the old 'sad ending' vs 'happy ending' of Shakespeare's days... but I don't think 'dark' or 'heavy' (the terms that keep getting thrown around here) are as well-defined as you're implying.

 

[Warped77]

Nothing wrong about thinking out loud.

But...what leaks are you referring to? There are no leaks on that subject. Just unsubstantiated wild theories on the Forum for people who want incest in their games.

You're dead on. Plus, we know it won't ever be more than wild theories as DPC has firmly stated he's not a fan of including incest as a kink in his games...

 

[Roelandt]

Go through all the doors. Talk with Riona for a kiss. After talking with Rusty you will see Tommy talking with Quinn. Talk to him. You will have one of the best scenes in the game awaiting. I am not gonna spoil it.

Or one of the worst you avoid or skip through depending on you.

 

[lemonfreak]

Taking your advice... Google 'dark vs. heavy in film' or some equivalent. No good information comes up, and what does is just more opinion. For instance, is something like Cabin in the woods actually a 'dark comedy' or not (I'd call it a horror comedy with some dark humor... but hey... opinion again!)? No one can seem agree.

Sure, the definition of Tragedy vs Comedy is very well known by most, even as it has evolved from the old 'sad ending' vs 'happy ending' of Shakespeare's days... but I don't think 'dark' or 'heavy' (the terms that keep getting thrown around here) are as well-defined as you're implying.

Following on from my earlier, uninformed opinion, I would suggest that dark and black are synonymous terms that contextually apply to different genres. So To Die For could be described as a black comedy or a dark comedy and Seven could be described as a dark drama or black drama. In both cases, one of those descriptions is just wrong, despite there being nothing technically incorrect about them.

 

[Roelandt]

Taking your advice... Google 'dark vs. heavy in film' or some equivalent. No good information comes up, and what does is just more opinion. For instance, is something like Cabin in the woods actually a 'dark comedy' or not (I'd call it a horror comedy with some dark humor... but hey... opinion again!)? No one can seem agree.

Sure, the definition of Tragedy vs Comedy is very well known by most, even as it has evolved from the old 'sad ending' vs 'happy ending' of Shakespeare's days... but I don't think 'dark' or 'heavy' (the terms that keep getting thrown around here) are as well-defined as you're implying.

Themes are an entire college course so it won't take you a few minutes. Be patient. Here's something brief to get you started.

You must be registered to see the links

 

[Roelandt]

So guys quick question ... should I redownload the 0.5.2 clean version so when the update comes out I will just download the update only files or the 0.4.2 version upgraded to the 0.5.0 should be fine ?

I think so, amineab. You could post that question on Doc's Patreon page and Doc will likely answer it.

 

[Roelandt]

Following on from my earlier, uninformed opinion, I would suggest that dark and black are synonymous terms that contextually apply to different genres. So To Die For could be described as a black comedy or a dark comedy and Seven could be described as a dark drama or black drama. In both cases, one of those descriptions is just wrong, despite there being nothing technically incorrect about them.

Dark and Black are synonyms. A Dark Comedy is a Black Comedy. Just a different term for the same theme.

 

[lemonfreak]

Dark and Black are synonyms. A Dark Comedy is a Black Comedy. Just a different term for the same theme.

So what I said then, albeit more succinctly

 

[Debaser Pixie]

I think it's more accurate to say you can't have either of them yet. You can indicate interest in one of them afterwards and, since I suspect Josy prefers more of a Dik than a Chick, she may very well be a potential LI for your MC (Maya seems so Chick focused that you'll probably not succeed with her)

Fuck that noise! Nobody put's baby in the corner!
Gonna plot to destroy those faithless skanks, playing with my emotions like that. As soon as I am numb enough to proceed with my plots...I need porn and booze, stat!

 

[lemonfreak]

Fuck that noise! Nobody put's baby in the corner!
Gonna plot to destroy those faithless skanks, playing with my emotions like that. As soon as I am numb enough to proceed with my plots...I need porn and booze, stat!

I wonder how you would feel if you had the exact same scenario, as you played it, but Maya was the MC

 

[Warped77]

Themes are an entire college course so it won't take you a few minutes. Be patient. Here's something brief to get you started.

You must be registered to see the links

While I appreciate the only slightly condescending tone, it shouldn't take a college course to define two terms and Quora is about two steps below Wikipedia as far as credibility and usefulness. The thing is... we're not even really talking about 'dark' or 'heavy' themes as much as whether a singular event in a work is 'dark' or 'heavy' so I'm not 100% sure that all of this is even relevant.

I'm pretty sure I understand conceptually what you're getting at as far as a difference when it comes to entire works and general theme; i.e. Justice League is dark, but not heavy... whereas Saving Private Ryan is heavy, but not dark. Again though, how does this apply to a singular event, since that's what sparked off this entire debate? Issue is being taken with the claim that 'something dark' will happen in Bella's storyline and I still fail to see how that differs significantly from saying 'something heavy' will happen in her storyline (when realistically whatever happens is likely to be easily defined as either or both, IMHO).

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

Dark and Black are synonyms. A Dark Comedy is a Black Comedy. Just a different term for the same theme.

I thought a dark comedy was when they shoot a funny movie with the lights out

 

[Cigar-Ferras]

I thought a dark comedy was when they shoot a funny movie with the lights out

Sorry, I don't mean to be cruel but I couldn't resist.