VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

It could be a difference in the cultural way of speaking because I know from my own experience that students here in the UK generally use "year" to mean both the school year and calendar year as in the phrase, "this is my final year so I'll be graduating next year". Perhaps the Swedes have a similar parlance to those in the UK, hence why DPC wrote it that way.

also in Italy, and I must say that sometimes it creates misunderstandings

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Yeah, like I said, I've never considered it could mean the other thing because we don't use it that way in the context of college/university, unless it's spelled out like your "this is my final year so I'll be graduating next year" example to avoid confusion. Now I'm really hoping there won't be any large time jumps and the story wraps up before the "what will happen next year?" question comes up and becomes another obstacle. I'll just be here, neck-deep in denial and happy.

For me, that's how people I've known have talked and to give another example, if I were to speak to someone who was a student now and they said to me, "I graduate next year", and I said to them, "so that means you're in your last year?", they'd surely say "yes" because that's how people tend to talk here.

also in Italy, and I must say that sometimes it creates misunderstandings

Must be a European thing then and DPC being Swedish would explain why it's written that way.

 

[n0cn1l]

And thats why BADIK needs a codex with the age of the characters, year of college, etc...

 

[SoraNiUteba]

And thats why BADIK needs a codex with the age of the characters, year of college, etc...

Agreed, don't see why it can't be included in the character profile section

 

[SPACE_BOOOOOST]

For me, that's how people I've known have talked and to give another example, if I were to speak to someone who was a student now and they said to me, "I graduate next year", and I said to them, "so that means you're in your last year?", they'd surely say "yes" because that's how people tend to talk here.

Fair enough, different cultures have different methods of composition and self-expression, I get that. In Sage's place I would've just said "next semester" instead, since that - to my knowledge at least - always refers to those two roughly similar length periods that every school year consists of and can't be misinterpreted.


Inb4 someone reveals that semesters are completely different things in their country and nothing will make sense anymore.

 

[felicemastronzo]

And thats why BADIK needs a codex with the age of the characters, year of college, etc...

if there is not this info in the section with the profiles of the different characters it is probably because in reality there is no need.
as lemonfreak often repeats it is very likely that the whole story takes place in a much shorter time period than the school year, so whether or not Sage is in the final year will have a relative importance

 

[lemonfreak]

Fair enough, different cultures have different methods of composition and self-expression, I get that. In Sage's place I would've just said "next semester" instead, since that - to my knowledge at least - always refers to those two roughly similar length periods that every school year consists of and can't be misinterpreted.


Inb4 someone reveals that semesters are completely different things in their country and nothing will make sense anymore.

And so, in response to previous reply to me, yes, I am suggesting that she might use calender and academic year interchangeably because, as Brit, that's how I talk

 

[Cabin Fever]

Yes, I'd assume if she was a 3rd year she would say ''I'm graduating next semester" not "next year". So she's in her 4th year and will graduate months later.
Besides it wouldn't make sense for her to be a 3rd year, she was shown as president of HOTs in DIKs flashback where Tommy and Rusty were 1st years. Tommy and Rusty are now 4th years, so Sage should be too.

I don't get why Jill was at the preps mansion at the time, she's currently a 3rd year so she shouldn't be in college during the flashback. I assume she's applying or scouting the preps for a place to stay when she comes to the college next semester.

Tommy & Rusty are now 3rd year students not 4th. They started DIK with Nick & Vinny in year 1 (while Sage & Tybalt were already presidents in their 2nd year). Jacob, JB, Jamie, & Leon joined in Year 2. MC & Derek are the Year 3 guys.

4th year - Sage, Tybalt
3rd year - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny, Jill
2nd year - Jacob, JB, Jamie, Leon
1st year - MC, Derek

 

[SPACE_BOOOOOST]

Tommy & Rusty are now 3rd year students not 4th. They started DIK with Nick & Vinny in year 1 (while Sage & Tybalt were already presidents in their 2nd year). Jacob, JB, Jamie, & Leon joined in Year 2. MC & Derek are the Year 3 guys.

4th year - Sage, Tybalt
3rd year - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny, Jill
2nd year - Jacob, JB, Jamie, Leon
1st year - MC, Derek

Jacob and John Boy can't be in the same year with Jamie and Leon if the DIKs only take 2 freshmen into their ranks per year so since Jacob already specified that he lost the cum-petition last year, Jamie and Leon must be from a year before that, which makes Tommy, Rusty and Nick seniors. Also, Vinny was expelled so he's not there at all.

 

[moskyx]

Jacob and John Boy can't be in the same year with Jamie and Leon if the DIKs only take 2 freshmen into their ranks per year so since Jacob already specified that he lost the cum-petition last year, Jamie and Leon must be from a year before that, which makes Tommy, Rusty and Nick seniors. Also, Vinny was expelled so he's not there at all.

They take them by pairs, but not neccesarily only 2 per year. That's never stated

 

[Cabin Fever]

Jacob and John Boy can't be in the same year with Jamie and Leon if the DIKs only take 2 freshmen into their ranks per year so since Jacob already specified that he lost the cum-petition last year, Jamie and Leon must be from a year before that, which makes Tommy, Rusty and Nick seniors. Also, Vinny was expelled so he's not there at all.

When did it say DIK only takes 2 per year? The initiation only mentioned that maggots can only join in pairs.

And yes I know Vinny was expelled and not there. I should have been more clear and wrote he was part of the "Year 1" founders like Tommy, Rusty, & Nick.

 

[SPACE_BOOOOOST]

They take them by pairs, but not neccesarily only 2 per year. That's never stated

When did it say DIK only takes 2 per year? The initiation only mentioned that maggots can only join in pairs.

Tommy claims "we're not accepting more and we're not accepting less" at the start of the cum-petition but yes, it's a line that directly follows the "pairwise testing" one so technically it doesn't mean there can only be one pair a year, that's true.

This really just reaffirms the need for an official codex because so much is not stated clearly and we end up debating semantics.

 

[always86]

Tommy & Rusty are now 3rd year students not 4th. They started DIK with Nick & Vinny in year 1 (while Sage & Tybalt were already presidents in their 2nd year). Jacob, JB, Jamie, & Leon joined in Year 2. MC & Derek are the Year 3 guys.

4th year - Sage, Tybalt
3rd year - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny, Jill
2nd year - Jacob, JB, Jamie, Leon
1st year - MC, Derek

This broadly makes sense. Possible exception for Jill. During the conversation with Josy she implies she has put off the class they are in for as long as possible. Doesn’t that suggest she’s in her 4th (or final) year as well?

Tommy claims "we're not accepting more and we're not accepting less" at the start of the cum-petition but yes, it's a line that directly follows the "pairwise testing" one so technically it doesn't mean there can only be one pair a year, that's true.

This really just reaffirms the need for an official codex because so much is not stated clearly and we end up debating semantics.

DIKs have to pass hell week in pairs. In other words you could have six pairs so 12 guys attempting to pass hell week. But either both of a pair pass or neither do. So the minimum to qualify is two. Then it would be 4, 6, 8, 10, 12.

 

[Cabin Fever]

This broadly makes sense. Possible exception for Jill. During the conversation with Josy she implies she has put off the class they are in for as long as possible. Doesn’t that suggest she’s in her 4th (or final) year as well?

Jill's EXACT words in that very sentence was "No, I'm a third-year student. I've just been postponing this class for as long as possible."

 

[SPACE_BOOOOOST]

This broadly makes sense. Possible exception for Jill. During the conversation with Josy she implies she has put off the class they are in for as long as possible. Doesn’t that suggest she’s in her 4th (or final) year as well?

Not necessarily, putting it off as long as possible just means there can be no more delay. That could simply be because it's a prerequisite for another class (if that's even a thing in the US or in Sweden too, I'm getting paranoid at this point) and not taking it now would mean she wouldn't be able to finish her studies in time. That said, I somehow doubt DPC went this much into detail when writing that scene.

DIKs have to pass hell week in pairs. In other words you could have six pairs so 12 guys attempting to pass hell week. But either both of a pair pass or neither do. So the minimum to qualify is two. Then it would be 4, 6, 8, 10, 12.

Yeah, the upper limit isn't specifically stated either so maybe you're right about the possibility of having 3,4,5,6 pairs and maybe you aren't, it's not clarified. Thing is, we're gradually being told about the exact rules of the joining process, up until the start of episode 5 everyone was under the assumption that every task had to be completed in order for someone to pass. We probably still don't have the whole picture.

 

[moskyx]

Tommy claims "we're not accepting more and we're not accepting less" at the start of the cum-petition but yes, it's a line that directly follows the "pairwise testing" one so technically it doesn't mean there can only be one pair a year, that's true.

This really just reaffirms the need for an official codex because so much is not stated clearly and we end up debating semantics.

I guess he claims that because this year there are only 3 pledgers, who may become 2. As they need them to be paired, this year they wouldn't accept the 3 of them, but neither they can accept only 1. When pledgers are an even number, I guess the CUM-petition is not eliminatory

 

[Dashxp4k]

Jill's EXACT words in that very sentence was "No, I'm a third-year student. I've just been postponing this class for as long as possible."

for Yall

 

[SoraNiUteba]

Tommy & Rusty are now 3rd year students not 4th. They started DIK with Nick & Vinny in year 1 (while Sage & Tybalt were already presidents in their 2nd year). Jacob, JB, Jamie, & Leon joined in Year 2. MC & Derek are the Year 3 guys.

4th year - Sage, Tybalt
3rd year - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny, Jill
2nd year - Jacob, JB, Jamie, Leon
1st year - MC, Derek

They are 4th years. They always get 2 maggots every year to become DIKs. The first year is an exception because they were starting, Tommy and Rusty needed to recruit at least 2 more.

4th years - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny
3rd years - Jamie, Leon
2nd years - Jacob, John boy (Jacob literally said him and John boy were last year's maggots)
1st years - MC, Derek

 

[Cabin Fever]

They are 4th years. They always get 2 maggots every year to become DIKs. The first year is an exception because they were starting, Tommy and Rusty needed to recruit at least 2 more.

4th years - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny
3rd years - Jamie, Leon
2nd years - Jacob, John boy (Jacob literally said him and John boy were last year's maggots)
1st years - MC, Derek

It's not always 2 maggots every year. It's always in pairs but it was never ever stated in game that they only allow just 2.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

They are 4th years. They always get 2 maggots every year to become DIKs. The first year is an exception because they were starting, Tommy and Rusty needed to recruit at least 2 more.

4th years - Tommy, Rusty, Nick, Vinny
3rd years - Jamie, Leon
2nd years - Jacob, John boy (Jacob literally said him and John boy were last year's maggots)
1st years - MC, Derek