VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Skylaroo]

But I disagree that Jill is meek. She's reserved, but I don't see why you think she's meek.

Being meek is part of her characteristic because she is used to just believing what Tybalt said. When MC and Derek first broke into the mansion, she believed whatever Tybalt said happened. When she helped MC after the wedgie, she'd follow Tybalt soon after. When Tybalt showed up during the yoga in the park, she left MC and followed Tybalt again. When Tybalt called about the "fire at the mansion during the party", she believed that too. Even when she decided to confront Tybalt, she did it in a non-forceful ways. Commenting on rooster is easy because it's on text (and she even chose to just ignore Tybalt's other comments that Bella had to be the one telling him to stop bothering Jill). Asking Tybalt to not ban MC from entering the mansion because MC is her friend was done very politely too. All of those are consistent enough to show that she is meek. Note that being meek doesn't mean that she's only and always meek. As I mentioned previously, being meek is part of her character.

Frankly, I think the Tybalt situation was presented very poorly. DPC tried to justify Jill's acquiescence by having Tybalt play good cop ("Oh, the other preps want to sue him, but I'll stop them.") while simultaneously leveling direct demands at her ("Stop seeing him and be my girlfriend or else!"). You can't do both.

I disagree with your point here. I don't think Tybalt was playing both good cop and bad cop. I think Tybalt was clearly offering a transaction more in a "I scratch your back and you scratch mine" kind of deal.

Because as presented, it's a transparently obvious ploy and Jill looks stupid for not putting two and two together. If Tybalt isn't the one forcing the issue, why does she need to placate him instead of talking to the other preps directly? And if Tybalt IS the one forcing the issue, why would she accept that? Even if she feels the MC might be in the wrong, she should at least investigate the situation herself before she knuckles under.

In response to the bold part, Jill accepted that because that's the kind of character she is. If she goes to war against Tybalt, she knew that the outcome was simply MC on the losing side when sued because Tybalt has the money, contacts, power where MC could not win. She accepted the bad deal to protect MC.

I can understand her willingness to sacrifice her own happiness for the MC, but this goes way beyond that. She's not only (apparently) agreed to subject herself to Tybalt's whims, but she seems to have somehow missed that the MC would object to never seeing Jill again.

Thinking about what others would do/feel is not Jill's strength. She reported Chad's assault on MC without taking into consideration what MC wanted (that he just wanted it to be swept under the rug) or what would've happened to MC after that (where MC could potentially be targeted by the Alphas in retaliation). She simply does what she believes is right and regrets is later if it turned out to not happen like she wanted it to be. She definitely didn't consider what MC's feelings toward her is at all.

Jill just comes across really badly here, which is a shame because the situation could be made to work if DPC were welling to settle for less injected drama.

This is a very interesting point that I feel like it commonly occurs here (and probably other games too) where the players feel like a character should behave in a certain way. You said that "Jill just comes across really badly here" and I'm not agreeing or disagreeing about that comment, but what I want to ask to you is "Why can't Jill come across badly?". It's like your expectation is for Jill to be a perfect character the way you want her to be. What is exactly wrong with Jill having flaws? What is wrong with Jill making bad decision?

This is a game where pretty much all of the characters are bad. The librarian? Oh yeah she's married but she'd fuck this student. The HOT leader? Oh she's pissed that her boyfriend is cheating on her so she'd have a fuck buddy too. The co-worker at the shop before college starts? Oh she said she had a boyfriend who turned out to be a girlfriend. Your bestfriend's sister? She too said she had a boyfriend who turned out to be a girlfriend. Your gender studies teacher? She's married to a husband who fucked students so she too want to fuck a student but add roleplaying as mother/son to it. Her son? He's the asshole that tried to blackmail Jill. So how about Jill? Follow the trend and you'd know that she is nowhere near perfect.

 

[ChipLecsap]

No, that's not what I want. I'm fine to have to create different saves for different LI paths and not simply rollback to see a different scene that's locked on a different path, but the problem is that some of the locking here doesn't make sense when you're often being locked out despite doing all the right things with the character(s) in question.

What I'm talking about is a system that's essentially the same one as AL. That was one where the MC's choices with regards to how they interacted with certain characters determined what scenes you got and what ending you got and it made sense. Once the MC has committed to Megan and/or Melissa, if he strays from them between then and the Leah kidnapping, then he faces the consequences for his cheating, and rightly so. There's no affinity system there, the ending and the lewd scenes are both based on what choices the player made when interacting with certain characters.

In this game, players can do everything with M&J, and even with Quinn, and seem to have a really good relationship with them, so you would think that they would be rewarded, but just because you're in one affinity or the other, you are denied that and it doesn't marry up to how that relationship has progressed and been portrayed throughout the rest of the game.

There are already variables for Quinn interactions, Nicole interactions, Camila interactions, etc, so it's not as if DPC doesn't have these kinds of checks and could have simply used these rather than the affinity system. The status system is fine because that's like a behaviour metric and is much better at representing the personality of the MC than the affinity system. Arbitrarily splitting up characters into different pre-designated paths that don't take key character interactions into account creates inconsistencies, and that is happening here more and more.

You just constantly ignore everything I say, it's like I talking to a brick wall. . I get it you don't like it, fine move on. it does not mean you are right, you just don't like it because it's not how you want it. even if i wrote a wall of text, explaining a reasonable logical, explanation, you just ignore it, and keeps saying its not how you wanted.
this is not AL. and the consequence for your actions, and differents paths won't just happen in the end of the game.

" I could do whatever the fuck I wanted in Al, and I only paid the price in the end, ha ha awesome game, awesome system. Badik shit because, I can't do whatever the fuck I want. and I already have to face some consequence and different choices . and this choices should not exist because I'm so cool with everyone. I should be able to Fuck quinn because I'm so cool with her , despite Maya hates her and She hate Maya,, and I choose Maya, but that should not matter , because I'm cool with her "

did I miss anything? let's just finish it, there was never a single time in the past one and half year, when you admit that you were wrong, or maybe, just maybe admit , that you might be wrong, and someone might say something that is true.
Peace

 

[khumak]

I think between now and episode 7 (when is it guys?) I’m going to change up my approach. I’d been working on the basis that the game intentionally allowed you to be in multiple relationships, now as time goes on I think it’s going to be better to have LI focussed play throughs.

I’m thinking;

Maya x Josy (Neutral/CHICK)
Sage (and Quinn) (DIK)
Jill (CHICK)
Bella (CHICK)
Jill x Bella (Neutral/ CHICK)

I think this is the best way to get the good endings without having the massively depressing moment of having to breakup with people (or get caught cheating. My main issue with doing this is needing at Least 5 play throughs.

I did a playthrough last night that was too fast to really read all of the dialog so I could be mistaken, but I got the feeling that a full harem path is available at least on the DIK path.

I was on the CHICK path last night since I wanted to see what was in store with Bella and even on the chick path you get to fuck most of the girls. The CHICK path seems to be the objectively less rewarding path unless you're set on Jill and/or Bella though and you can't fuck either of them yet anyway as far as I could tell (although Bella gets close now). I'm not sure about Maya on the DIK path. Planning on trying that next.

 

[E.l.l.0]

So, in this last update, it looks like Melanie is indeed Chad's lover and it seems the revelation is imminent. Some time ago I had dismissed this idea and shared it in an OT thread. Now, I'll share it here.

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[godkingxerxes]

Seriously!? ..... That's some dumb shit right there....

For me it ended right before getting the drinks.

No Nora, and no Nicole/Sandy.

MC pulls out the picture, runs out the bar, and right into Joya and the ending.

It ended very awkwardly, so much so that I immediately loaded a save in the Sage/Jill quest line and ran my way through again.

Was a much better paced ending with having Joya call you after the threesome instead of running to them leaving two girls waiting for you and Tommy in the bathroom.

Sage scene was better anyways.

 

[ana sucubbus]

It was so fun to abuse sally, throwing her to the bushes, on the monsters and more

 

[Crystaldom]

So, I've been thinking a lot about the ending of this episode and how it would seem to set us up for a major confrontation with Maya's Dad in the next episode, and whilst that is very likely, I feel like it could go in one of several different ways.

1. The MC is waylayed by somebody and isn't with M&J when they enter the room.
   • This would certainly fit DPC's overly dramatic moments because those 2 walking in together would obviously be very bad for Maya and could cause some serious repurcussions, like her Dad forcing her to leave the college and go home with him to get her away from Josy.
2. Maya goes ahead of the MC and Josy and enters the room first.
   • If Maya enters first and calls out, "Dad!", it would allow for Josy to be able to hold back from entering and either the MC stays with her and there could perhaps be a choice to stay outside or enter the room, and this might be followed by a choice to either confront her Dad or pretend to be her boyfriend.
3. All 3 enter the room at the same time.
   • Similar to the previous one only this time the Dad will see Josy and start to become enraged, again leading to a possible choice to either confront the Dad or pretend to be Maya's boyfriend.
4. Maya's Dad isn't in the room when they return.
   • This is another thing I think could be possible because of what it could mean for later and how it would fit DPC's penchant for shocking drama. We know he has a key and can get in any time he wants, but they don't, so if he's not in the room and ended up leaving because he couldn't find her, it means he could come back at an even more inconvenient time, say, when Josy and Maya are in bed together. This could cause her Dad to fly completely off the handle and maybe even drag Maya out and take her home to get her away from Josy.

Right now I really can't say which one I feel is more likely, but 2 & 3 are the kind of thing you might see in a rom-com type movie and I feel like this game largely doesn't have that tone anymore, so 1 & 4 are possibly more likely as they're much more dramatic and more emotionally impactful, which seems to be DPC's bread and butter.

What do you guys think?

To me #3 is the most likely. MC will pretend to be either Maya's or Josie's boyfriend to take the heat off Maya.

I think the biggest issue here is why does "Daddy" have a key to Maya's room. I mean Maya's roommate would have an obvious problem with that (especially if it weren't Josy).

 

[Gladheim]

Forget the foolishness of the fucking color of the eyes, I just looked and almost everyone has blue / gray eyes, only Sage has green ones, I mean it's no use. DPC must be in love with the clear eyes

 

[PBS666]

Unable to play on the new MacOS does anyone know how to bypass the error of "contact your admin to gain access"?

The version of MacOS has nothing to do with it. I've seen this happen on High Sierra too. Only the text of the error message differs.

The problem: during unzipping, the executable files in the game package lost their execute permission, so the app won't run.
Solution: if you still have the zip file, try unzipping it with The Unarchiver instead of the default archive utility. The Unarchiver tends to be better in preserving these execute permissions.
If you've already deleted the zip and don't want to download the 11 GB again, you can fix the permissions yourself in Terminal.

In Terminal, type 'chmod a+x ' without the quotes and drag the first executable in the Terminal window. Terminal will fill out the path to the executable file. Hit enter. Repeat for the second file.

To find the executables, right click on the game and choose Show package contents. Then go to Contents/MacOS. The file you are looking for is called BeinADIK. The second one (same name) is in Contents/MacOS/lib/darwinx86-64.

 

[AchedCroissant]

For me it ended right before getting the drinks.

No Nora, and no Nicole/Sandy.

MC pulls out the picture, runs out the bar, and right into Joya and the ending.

It ended very awkwardly, so much so that I immediately loaded a save in the Sage/Jill quest line and ran my way through again.

Was a much better paced ending with having Joya call you after the threesome instead of running to them leaving two girls waiting for you and Tommy in the bathroom.

Sage scene was better anyways.

Who is Joya? xD

 

[Cigar-Ferras]

For me it ended right before getting the drinks.

No Nora, and no Nicole/Sandy.

MC pulls out the picture, runs out the bar, and right into Joya and the ending.

It ended very awkwardly, so much so that I immediately loaded a save in the Sage/Jill quest line and ran my way through again.

Was a much better paced ending with having Joya call you after the threesome instead of running to them leaving two girls waiting for you and Tommy in the bathroom.

Sage scene was better anyways.

Awkward or not, that is still better than banging Nora and MC is cool with that, but then suddenly thinks he shouldn't because of Jill with the 3some.

 

[xXwankerXx]

The weirdest thing is , you actually can fuck Nora

It's not weird, she looks just for a one-night stand or a casual hookup, nothing serious. Personally, I was disappointed with her sex scene, they should've picked a hotel and be more "creative", that sexy bitch is a perfect 10, the MC should've fucked her into a wall and make her fall in love with that dick. If she wanna try everything once, she should try a "sweet" hardcore fucking.

I hope DPC makes us fuck buddies in the next updates, just one round with her is simply cruel. Nicole and Sandy's sex scene was good, but again, too short.

Would seem silly to me to go into the bathroom and rail Nora, then suddenly pull out the picture of Jill and be like, Nah... I can't do that to her with Nicole...

Nah, that means you got your priorities straight, Nora > Nicole.

 

[Cigar-Ferras]

Nah, that means you got your priorities straight, Nora > Nicole.

Well yeah, but narratively it makes it a total mess if you can do those things and have no reaction one way and yet feel bad for doing the same thing with someone else. What did the +1 with adding Sandy to the mix make it just too much to bare for our plucky young hero.... A tad contrived if you ask me in that scenario.

 

[AchedCroissant]

I don't know if anyone noticed but in the threesome with Nicole and Sandy

From the time Nicole was at the bar to at home she was the only one who kissed him on the lips I Iwish Nicole was one of the Li

 

[DuckDairyDip]

So, in this last update, it looks like Melanie is indeed Chad's lover and it seems the revelation is imminent. Some time ago I had dismissed this idea and shared it in an OT thread. Now, I'll share it here.

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Was it stated outright they are lovers? There is an implication Melanie is involved, but exactly how feels unclear. I saw a theory earlier how maybe Melanie and Troy are related and Melanie may feel guilt because she knows and is keeping it from Sage. So, could be possible Melanie isn't directly involved, but somewhat guilty by association no matter who Chad's lover may be. Also, it's possible Chad is messing with someone else and not just Melanie.

 

[godkingxerxes]

Who is Joya? xD

Maya/Josy, I mostly use this forum on my phone, and that's easier to type out then trying to find the and key and do M&J.

Who knows maybe I'll spam it enough and it'll catch on.

Awkward or not, that is still better than banging Nora and MC is cool with that, but then suddenly thinks he shouldn't because of Jill with the 3some.

That would have been a lot worse for sure. I wonder how that even happens, because my MC was eligible for both Nora and the threesome and got both after redoing the Sage choice.

But didn't get either on the Jill path.

 

[KomaFNinetyFive]

Who is Joya? xD

Joya is the ship name between Josy and Maya. Jo from Josy, ya from Maya.

 

[Gladheim]

I don't know if anyone noticed but in the threesome with Nicole and Sandy

From the time Nicole was at the bar to at home she was the only one who kissed him on the lips I Iwish Nicole was one of the Li

It is clear that Nicole likes the MC a lot, but it can't be something serious, it's like Bella's, yes, she's pretty and she's very hot but a 19-year-old boy can't be with a 30-year-old woman and with a child or another of 36 married ... in 10 years the age differences will be even greater xD

 

[Holy Bacchus]

You just constantly ignore everything I say, it's like I talking to a brick wall. . I get it you don't like it, fine move on. it does not mean you are right, you just don't like it because it's not how you want it. even if i wrote a wall of text, explaining a reasonable logical, explanation, you just ignore it, and keeps saying its not how you wanted.
this is not AL. and the consequence for your actions, and differents paths won't just happen in the end of the game.

" I could do whatever the fuck I wanted in Al, and I only paid the price in the end, ha ha awesome game, awesome system. Badik shit because, I can't do whatever the fuck I want. and I already have to face some consequence and different choices . and this choices should not exist because I'm so cool with everyone. I should be able to Fuck quinn because I'm so cool with her , despite Maya hates her and She hate Maya,, and I choose Maya, but that should not matter , because I'm cool with her "

did I miss anything? let's just finish it, there was never a single time in the past one and half year, when you admit that you were wrong, or maybe, just maybe admit , that you might be wrong, and someone might say something that is true.
Peace
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It's not about what I want, it's about how decisions and interactions with specific characters should feel like they mattered and make sense when determining other decisions and interactions with them. Being able to to do everything or near-everything with specific characters but then to be denied what you would expect to be a positive payoff, or at least the choice of a positive payoff, for all the effort you've put in because of a system that's based on random choices outside those interactions is flawed. The game loses fluidity and makes these characters seem to be just black and white rather than having shades of grey by being so rigidly locked to one side of the spectrum.

The "consequences" being faced so far are often inconsistent with the actions of the MC and his interactions with specific characters and don't make sense in the grander scheme of things. It's not about being able to "do whatever the fuck I want", but about being properly rewarded for how you interact with specific characters, and this doesn't have to be only at the end of the game either, but it also doesn't have to be in the middle of the game for seemingly no reason.

The MC can be reasonably cool with Quinn and she can be reasonably cool him. Neither know that it will lead to sex, and it doesn't have to either. He could have the choice to send her on her merry way or go further, but the way he can interact with her prior to that, on any path, does not seem to suggest that she would turn down his help if they're on good terms, and that's the simple point of all this; that they can be on good terms and he's just offering to help, nothing more. This is true on the DIK path, Neutral path, and CHICK path, and from this perspective, it shouldn't really matter what affinity the player has because it should be about where these two individual stand with one another based on their previous interactions.

 

[Darkcroxz]

Fantastic update. The choice between Jill and Sage was a tough one. Also I'm now a permanent huge dick so I think Maya and Joyce are not my end game which is little upsetting but I'm content with my choices. I'm still hoping I can get a Jill ending even though I didn't get all her scenes.

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