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Fap2766 said:
To some of us, a good VN is about the journey and not the race to the end. A lot of people enjoy the mini games - I do. It's fine if we disagree but it's DPC's game to make how they please. It's not like there are no other VNs out there if you don't enjoy BADIK.
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I honestly think you're missing completely the point of this discussion. No one doubts this is his game and he's doing it more than OK and should stick to his vision. We're just stating that he (or his mods but probably following his orders) has decided to shut every possible dissident voice that says he's doing a)something possibly wrong (of course in our humble opinion); b)something that a paying customer of him doesn't like. And there's a line between discarding those suggestions and complains and directly forbidding his players to raise a critical voice against his work in his official channels. Any opinion stated in a respectful way should be allowed and some of them might even help you to improve, as any serious business out there knows, but he has chosen to close himself in an echo chamber where people only can praise him or stay quiet. His choice, but that's not a smart (nor a classy) move at all. In the end, he (his staff) is going to hear insults and idiotic comments anyway before banning those users, but by banning abolutely everyone who dares to differ he's also missing some valuable inputs from interesting and well-intended people.
 
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moskyx said:
I honestly think you're missing completely the point of this discussion. No one doubts this is his game and he's doing it more than OK and should stick to his vision. We're just stating that he (or his mods but probably following his orders) has decided to shut every possible dissident voice that says he's doing a)something possibly wrong (of course in our humble opinion); b)something that a paying customer of him doesn't like. And there's a line between discarding those suggestions and complains and directly forbidding his players to raise a critical voice against his work in his official channels. Any opinion stated in a respectful way should be allowed and some of them might even help you to improve, as any serious business out there knows, but he has chosen to close himself in an echo chamber where people only can praise him or stay quiet. His choice, but that's not a smart (nor a classy) move at all. In the end, he (his staff) is going to hear insults and idiotic comments anyway before banning those users, but by banning abolutely everyone who dares to differ he's also missing some valuable inputs from interesting and well-intended people.
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I like this human he understand. :p
 
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shazba said:
I think that entire library scene achieved very little. The pixel hunting nonsense for returning the books to earn some more mansion cash was ridiculous (isn't there a Dewey Decimal system to make that shit simple rather than like hunting for Easter eggs?) None of the conversations went anywhere (a bit of risqué fondling with Maya was good), the studying was boring (I guess that's like all studying anyway), and the Sage interaction just let us know she was actually at college to study (who'd have thunk it). I still didn't mind the DnG game, but I accept that the entire library scene could have been deleted and it wouldn't have altered the story one bit.
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l think the library scene achieves quite a bit, but a lot of it is either conditional or background material. That's generally thankless work, because while we all remember the big events, it's the groundwork laid out in smaller scenes that makes them resonate.

So to look at the library scene for a moment, I would say it does the following things:
  1. Shows the interaction between the MC and Bella in the wake of her spending the night with him [Conditional]
  2. Shows the friendship between the MC, Maya and Josy in the wake of their reconciliation
  3. Establishes that mild tension exists between Jill and Maya/Josy [semi-Conditional]
  4. Reiterates the point that the MC is going to take his studies more seriously in the wake of Hell Week
  5. Explores Sage's views on work-life balance
  6. Shows Maya is comfortable enough with the MC to openly flirt with him [Conditional]
  7. Advances the Derek/Wendy sub-plot [optional]
  8. Establishes future work opportunities at the library [Conditional on mini-games, possibly Bella path]
  9. Shows us more of Quinn's network, establishes Sally's role in it
  10. Gives us the return of KRJ!
It also theoretically gives us a lighthearted diversion in the D&G game (YMMV), which might conceivably serve as a bonding moment for the main cast at a later date.

So I do think the scene was important and productive, but it's all buildup (unless you like D&G enough to consider it the payoff). Beyond that, some of the best bits are dependent on pursuing Maya or Bella (or liking KRJ), so they may not apply to everyone.

It also drops the ball in a few areas, particularly involving Jill. She's supposed to be banned from seeing the MC, but you'd never know it from how she acts here; she makes noises about leaving, but she never does so and otherwise it's pretty much business as usual. Even the awkwardness of having the three girls together is just acknowledged rather than directly addressed. (Plus, it rings false when Jill has decided to stop seeing the MC, or when M&J are just friends).

So I think the scene is fine in theory, but the execution wasn't the best and placing the massive D&G sidequest in the middle of it called more attention to it than it was really suited to handle.
 
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moskyx said:
I honestly think you're missing completely the point of this discussion. No one doubts this is his game and he's doing it more than OK and should stick to his vision. We're just stating that he (or his mods but probably following his orders) has decided to shut every possible dissident voice that says he's doing a)something possibly wrong (of course in our humble opinion); b)something that a paying customer of him doesn't like. And there's a line between discarding those suggestions and complains and directly forbidding his players to raise a critical voice against his work in his official channels. Any opinion stated in a respectful way should be allowed and some of them might even help you to improve, as any serious business out there knows, but he has chosen to close himself in an echo chamber where people only can praise him or stay quiet. His choice, but that's not a smart (nor a classy) move at all. In the end, he (his staff) is going to hear insults and idiotic comments anyway before banning those users, but by banning abolutely everyone who dares to differ he's also missing some valuable inputs from interesting and well-intended people.
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Does he ban everyone though? I haven't checked myself and only heard around 2 or 3 people here say they were banned and one of them, upon repeating his criticism, seemed to be mocking/insulting DPCs writing rather than offer constructive criticism. The leaves 2 people so it's really just between 2 options: 1) People that offer constructive criticism or voice it in a reasonable way are not banned, people that throw out insults and call it criticism are (this is rather common and usually leads to "muh free speech" discussions), or 2) DPC quite literally bans anyone that voices any criticism whatsoever but only around 3 people from this board have joined the discord and done so in the last 2 years because it's an unwritten rule on the discord to never voice criticism and users warn each other about it (sadly also common with indy devs/devteams recently and I think people are aware of YandereDev...).
So I'm not really ready to either completely dismiss or fully believe the claims about his ban-happiness, since we're mostly going by word of mouth at this point and both versions could be true.
 
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flippityflop said:
If DPC were to take into consideration every bit of criticism, suggestion or request he gets from his fans and patrons, then Maya would be dead for undisclosed reasons by the time ep.4 started.
Quinn would accidentally trip over a gun and get shot half a million times.
Tommy would OD while watching MC have a threesome with Josy and Heather.
Sage would simply forget Chad ever existed and move on unscathed.
The DIK frat would disband after the whole Cathy cluck drama, because who the fuck needs dudes in an adult VN, amarite?

And with all that bullshit out of the way, every subsequent episode would revolve around MC courting Bella and Jill, with some optional, noncommittal side action from time to time.

No drama, no story arcs and definitely none of that silly character development.
Just sunshine and rainbows with one lewd scene after another.

Constructive criticism helps us improve and see things from different perspectives. I'm sure DPC knows that. Unfortunately for him not all of his fans understand what constructive criticism is. Most can only regurgitate things like: "u sux", "ur gaem sux", "Jill is best girl" and my personal favorite: "ur mom is gay lol".

When you have 9K+ patrons and at least half of them have an opinion to voice, then things get a little crazy. I can't blame him for ignoring every bit of criticism he gets. But if you care about your sanity and wish to see your work through to the end, then that's probably the only sensible thing to do. It's far from ideal, but what else can a single person do and still be productive?
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No, commentary of 'Jill is best girl" variety is 75% of the Patreon comments. I also don't direct my criticism to DPC, I pay for Patreon to get the news and interact with other people who follow games. When I was banned I was actually in a conversation with another member who was also less than enthusiastic about the episode.

There's also the concept of customer service. I realize this is an out dated concept in this brave new world but I come from a generation that believes that you owe something to people that give you their money. Actually this is also my biggest criticism of the Patreon game development system. I've supported many game's on Patreon that seemed very promising only to have them devolve into a monthly nothing update just to keep those sweet Patreon bucks coming. In fact the way Patreon is set up I feel like it incentivises this very behavior. One of the dev's that I follow is the very antithesis of this. After every update they release their updated road map on the games development where they tell their patrons where they are, where they are planning on going and how long it will take to get there. I would love to see such roadmaps become the required standard on Patreon.
 
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fakitap said:
Does he ban everyone though? I haven't checked myself and only heard around 2 or 3 people here say they were banned and one of them, upon repeating his criticism, seemed to be mocking/insulting DPCs writing rather than offer constructive criticism. The leaves 2 people so it's really just between 2 options: 1) People that offer constructive criticism or voice it in a reasonable way are not banned, people that throw out insults and call it criticism are (this is rather common and usually leads to "muh free speech" discussions), or 2) DPC quite literally bans anyone that voices any criticism whatsoever but only around 3 people from this board have joined the discord and done so in the last 2 years because it's an unwritten rule on the discord to never voice criticism and users warn each other about it (sadly also common with indy devs/devteams recently and I think people are aware of YandereDev...).
So I'm not really ready to either completely dismiss or fully believe the claims about his ban-happiness, since we're mostly going by word of mouth at this point and both versions could be true.
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You have a point
 
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Gladheim said:
A random question, who likes KRJ? seriously xd is a normal girl, does not stand out in anything, and socially is a 0 lol pretty boring and normal
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People like what they can't have, and so far we can't bang nerd chicks.

With only two, Sally and KRJ, and Sally might not be an option, since at this point we can't bang taken girls, yet.

Leaves us with only KRJ. She'll be screaming so loud her hearing aids won't stop going off.
 
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Tserriednich'sNen said:
Unpopular take here but I have zero sexual interest in Riona, she's cute and all and I have some high hopes for her character but she does nothing for me in the nut department so to speak.
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She does anal and deep throat, what's not to like? If worst comes to worst, when Riona goes down on you, just close your eyes and think of England. If it makes you feel any better, she's not going to nut with you either.
 
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