no ... I honestly do not understand what these reflections of yours would proveIf you look at my previous post, you'll see examples of Jill's behavior throughout the game:
This shows a degree of consistency with her behavior in ep6 and the previous episodes.
I would argue that she has tried to protect the MC against his wishes in both accounts, protecting him from bullies and protecting him from a lawsuit. This is her consistent caring style towards the mc.
Regardless, she does intend to confront the mc about it and in time she does unless the mc and her don't have a close relationship or he ignores her in Ep6, in which case she lets it slide (under those circumstances it's not her business anyway).
She doesn't blindly believe Tybalt. As I quoted in my previous post, during the piano scene her thoughts are:
ji "(Tybalt isn't right about him. I refuse to believe that.)"ji "..."ji "(Just tell him...)"
It's just he leaves before she can breach the subject.
I could argue that against Chad, MC was the victim, it was right to defend himI would argue that she has tried to protect the MC against his wishes in both accounts, protecting him from bullies and protecting him from a lawsuit. This is her consistent caring style towards the mc.
Jill pushes Tybalt to intervene to stop a Prep from reporting MC, Jill is covering up a crime, a behavior she certainly doesn't share.What do you mean she covers up the crime? The responsibility for reporting the crime is not on her, it's on Tybalt. She's not lying about anything to anyone, are you suggesting that when Tybalt says his friend wants to press charges that she should have responded saying, "Go ahead, if the mc did this then he needs to be punished"? If she had said something like that everyone would have been, "WTF Jill, you are so off my Christmas list!".
Now I have presented a coherent argument, with examples from the game and what I would consider some reasonable assumptions. In no way does this make me a "fanboi" who believes DPC can do no wrong.
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The influence wouldn't really matter in this case, as far as the Police are concerned. It can also go both ways, to prove that Derek has the items the Police would have to carry out a search warrant on a mansion owned by a Burgmeister, so there's influence either way. And no Judge is going to risk a quid pro quo, contribution for trial over such a minor incident. Even so, all you would manage to find is evidence against Derek, the MC has nothing to do with it.sry I meat intention to commit a crime and actual theft and or larceny ( tybalts deer head , which currently resides in the dik mansion , derek even posted about it on the game insta, expensive outfits (Derek again posted his picture in on swiper) , add to that , there could easily be CCTV cameras in the mansion , all these are serious charges and can be considered felonyYou must be registered to see the linksand orYou must be registered to see the links
So you mean the police wont even investigate charges along with evidence brought on by rich influential people and academeics , with millions in disposable income expensive attorneys on call , seems legit
And elected judges and district attorneys who often rely on campaign contributions by rich benefactors will never take all the evidance and charges seriously
Wow when did the world became so fare to poor people
The key line in there is "if the perpetrators are caught". Being caught in the act of commiting a crime is a whole other kettle of fish. Trying to get an investigation off the ground after the act is much more difficult.Here's an interesting web site:
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An excerpt (opening three paragraphs are entirely relevent here):
Before the typical student arrives at college, he has seen scores of movies glorifying the drunken debauchery and mayhem of fraternity life. In movies like “Revenge of the Nerds” or “Animal House,” the impressionable, teen viewer is shown that laws do not apply to fraternities and sororities. Such films have a long cinematic tradition, and many are quite funny, but in the real world, fraternity pranks often lead to the filing of criminal charges. As a criminal defense attorney in State College, PA, I deal with such cases first hand.A classic prank involves sneaking into a rival fraternity and stealing one of its composite pictures. Prank or not, this is a burglary, criminal trespass and theft by unlawful taking, and if the perpetrators are caught, that is exactly what they will be charged with. Burglary of a residence is a first degree felony, punishable by up to 20 years in state prison and a $25,000 fine. Even if a defendant has no prior record, the Pennsylvania Sentencing Guidelines call for one or two years in state prison, should victims be present in the residence at the time of the burglary.“It was just a prank” is not a defense we can raise at trial, and I have had to explain this to frantic students and parents on more than one occasion. The DA will not simply drop the charges because it was just a prank, nor will a judge give the jury at the end of trial the following instruction: “Ladies and gentleman of the jury, if you find that Mr. Defendant entered the residence of another with the intent to commit the crime of theft, you must find him not guilty if you conclude that it was just a prank.”I did not expect that!
I would like to say that this 100% closes the case. Tybalt is justified; that fucking cunt!
Jill's "sexual hesitation" is just one of the six examples of her inner conflict that I presented. You comment on one and then ignore the rest...no ... I honestly do not understand what these reflections of yours would prove
What does Jill's sexual hesitation have to do with her moral integrity?
they are two separate nettings in everyone's life
"in the end she doesn't"? In the end she does talk to the mc unless the mc goes to see Sage rather than her. That can hardly be her fault, in which case she will (possibly) talk to him in the next episode (unless the Sage/Jill crossroads are the major decision that everyone is concerned it may be). She only accepts Tybalt's advice if she and the mc are not close.Jill continues to think she wants to talk to MC about it but in the end she doesn't, and in the meantime she decides to accept Tybalt's advice. to me it remains highly inconsistent
They may not be in a romantic relationship, but Jill still thinks of the mc as her friend. She's defensive when talking to Tybalt, but she does question the mc later. It's not like she had a lawyer present in that Tybalt discussion and needed to watch every word she said. Her words as Tybalt is laying it on thick:but it remains that if there is no relationship between them it makes no sense that Jill decides to defend him anyway without feeling the need for clarification with him. even in case Bella hasn't changed her mind about him and Mc has blinded Jill's eye with her dildo helmet. it does not make sense.
I agree they are not the same, but he is her friend so she gives him the benefit of the doubt and questions him later.I could argue that against Chad, MC was the victim, it was right to defend him
in this case Mc is not the victim, he is the culprit, it cannot be the same to defend him in this case, or not?
Jill doesn't push Tybalt to intervene, she asks to speak with Trent to resolve the situation, Tybalt deflects then Tybalt offers a solution (the "blackmail deal"). It's Tybalt's manipulation, not hers, that results in the deal.Jill pushes Tybalt to intervene to stop a Prep from reporting MC, Jill is covering up a crime, a behavior she certainly doesn't share.
but does it really seem legitimate?
a mature person would have heard MC, and then would have favored a clarification, in case she could also undertake to cover any damages.
at most she would have taken time, but she would not decide by herself, without any dialogue, to submit to Tybalt's advice / blackmail. instead she first postpones the clarification and then simply communicates it to MC
I don't think you have.Now I have presented a coherent argument, with examples from the game and what I would consider some reasonable assumptions. cit.
very likely, even if they are all couples with very different preconditionsSo I guess DPC is going to narrow down our LI choices by pitting main LIs against one another, huh?
Maya vs. Josy
Jill vs. Bella
Sage vs. ?Quinn?
We've already been forced to make a couple of light decisions in ep. 6 such as go with Maya or Josy...and...take care of Sage or investigate Jill's tonsils, etc. The Bella/Jill cattiness is only going to escalate and I'm dubious about a Josy/Jill "close friendship." I still think MC is getting cucked if he doesn't choose either of those two. Jill needs someone to rub herself off with in her sleep if Bella is no longer willing and MC is unable. I have my LI preference, but it's still quite difficult to cast aside the other girls. If we can't have a harem or open relationship, then what are we left with? The Sophie's Choice of AVNs.
Has there been any cattiness between the two? Maybe its a CHICK run thing, but outside of some raised eyebrows type stuff and the bed scene, they seem pretty chill with each other.The Bella/Jill cattiness
in reality the examples related to sexuality were 2Jill's "sexual hesitation" is just one of the six examples of her inner conflict that I presented. You comment on one and then ignore the rest...
"in the end she doesn't"? In the end she does talk to the mc unless the mc goes to see Sage rather than her. That can hardly be her fault, in which case she will (possibly) talk to him in the next episode (unless the Sage/Jill crossroads are the major decision that everyone is concerned it may be). She only accepts Tybalt's advice if she and the mc are not close.
They may not be in a romantic relationship, but Jill still thinks of the mc as her friend. She's defensive when talking to Tybalt, but she does question the mc later. It's not like she had a lawyer present in that Tybalt discussion and needed to watch every word she said. Her words as Tybalt is laying it on thick:
ji "Ridiculous. This doesn't match anything I saw from him."
I agree they are not the same, but he is her friend so she gives him the benefit of the doubt and questions him later.
Jill doesn't push Tybalt to intervene, she asks to speak with Trent to resolve the situation, Tybalt deflects then Tybalt offers a solution (the "blackmail deal"). It's Tybalt's manipulation, not hers, that results in the deal.
I don't think you have.
You've basically said a girl wouldn't give her friend the benefit of the doubt unless she plans to sleep with him.
You're saying that Jill is doing what Tybalt wants (not seeing the MC) when in fact she sees him on and off throughout the entire episode.
You're saying that Jill asked Tybalt to intervene with Trent when actually she never did.
Nothing you're saying is backed up by the game...
It was catty enough for them to have to apologise to each other. It was the first time I had seen them be anything other than lovey-dovey with one another.Has there been any cattiness between the two? Maybe its a CHICK run thing, but outside of some raised eyebrows type stuff and the bed scene, they seem pretty chill with each other.
After Cathy goes home, the Bella lets slip that Jill is a Royce:Has there been any cattiness between the two? Maybe its a CHICK run thing, but outside of some raised eyebrows type stuff and the bed scene, they seem pretty chill with each other.
I agree, other than witnesses to trespass, there're no witnesses to anything else.The key line in there is "if the perpetrators are caught". Being caught in the act of commiting a crime is a whole other kettle of fish. Trying to get an investigation off the ground after the act is much more difficult.
True. I didn't really think much of it, since both are aware of Bella's situation and issues, and whatever happened between them. I thought it less cattiness, and more addressing the elephant in the room since it seemed to be the first time they were "intimate" like that since The Incident.It was catty enough for them to have to apologise to each other. It was the first time I had seen them be anything other than lovey-dovey with one another.
Hrmmm. I see. Outside of the bed thing, I just saw it as mostly Bella being Bella. Maybe I was just being dense. The post-Cathy scene does read differently now. That was also where we got the bit with Jill's "huh" reaction to MC remembering that the song he was playing was Bella's favorite.After Cathy goes home, the Bella lets slip that Jill is a Royce:
isa "How is your last name a secret? Everyone knows who you are."ji "Fuckface doesn't..."isa "You should have told me that was a secret and why."isa "Why is that a secret?"ji "Never mind..."ji "What about your secret?"isa "What secret?"ji "You didn't tell me Fuckface moved in here."isa "Moved in here? He didn't move in here."isa "I'm letting him stay here for a couple of nights and that's it."ji "Well, you didn't tell me that."mc "Hey...it's ok. There's no need to fight over this."
It was pretty minor but the mc called it a fight.
Also, if the mc plays guitar for the girls that night, Jill notes that he's playing Bella's favorite song and the mc remembers. Jill give's Bella a look like, "Oh, so he knows your favorite song now? He's mine, bitch!" - I might be reading in to things...
Then there's the whole weird thing in that bed scene.
Then during Yoga:
isa "How was your date?"ji "Do you want to know about it?"isa "I was going to ask you, but I didn't find time for it. If I had, we wouldn't have had that altercation last night..."isa "So, I'm asking you now. How was it?"
I'd say all of that kinda fits the "cattiness" category.
Ya, I've been trying to be patient for an opportunity to see what's there with Josy, this seems like a perfect opportunity.Well, to me the idea of posing as the boyfriend of one to focus a little more on the relationship with that alone, I like it. Or they separate, Josy sleep with the Hots and Maya in their room
OK, I'll play.Jill has not been established as a decisive, strong character. She's trying hard, but she has inner conflict and it's been displayed numerous times when we can see her inner thoughts:
When she see's the mc's cock in the mirror:
ji "(Wow...)"ji "(No! Not "wow"! Why did I do that?)"ji "Fuckface...?"mc "Yeah?"ji "I'm sorry...but the mirror...I peeked."mc "You did? Haha, why are you telling me that?"ji "It was an accident, but it still feels so wrong..."ji "It's so not me."
When she starts making out with the MC on Bella's couch and then stops, saying it's going too fast:
ji "(I'm so stupid...right?)"ji "(No... That was smart.)"ji "(It's way too fast for me...and this isn't the place for it either...)"ji "(Bella's on the other side of that wall... That's so disrespectful...)"ji "(But... He just makes me feel...so...)"ji "(Gah! I can't think straight!)"ji "(My head is rushing.)"ji "(Breathe!)"
When she's struggling to play the piano:
ji "(I'm not good enough to do this...)"ji "(I can't focus today.)"ji "(You know how to play this. You've done it hundreds of times by now.)"
When she's not in a strong relationship with the mc and decides not to call him when she's struggling with the piano:
ji "(No... Don't call him.)"ji "(I'm not even gonna tell him....right?)"ji "(...)"ji "(Focus!)"ji "(Try it again. You know this!)"ji "(I suck!)"
When she is in a relationship with the MC and he shows up when she's struggling with the piano:
ji "(Tybalt isn't right about him. I refuse to believe that.)"ji "..."ji "(Just tell him...)"
When the mc turns her down when she comes over for the impromptu birthday picnic:
ji "(I can't blurt it out now... Crap...)"ji "(Maybe it's a sign?)"ji "(Maybe it's best to not even tell him...)"Even her actions show she is conflicted, like calling a meeting to discuss Chad bullying the MC (in spite of the mc's protests against her doing anything about it) and then running to Bella to cry when she realities she might have done the wrong thing.
And even when she's talking direct to the MC, she sometimes stumbles with her words and corrects herself.
All of this is deliberate characterization implemented into the story by DPC. If you don't pick up on these (not so?) subtle aspects of a character when other people do, you can't blame the author.
Because it's a common thing in English to refer to a singular person as "they", like if someone were ask, "Where's X?" and the answer was, "They're in the kitchen"; it's only one person, but you can refer to them as "they".why refer DPC as 'they' when its hinted in the thread often that he is a solo artist/creator?
I agree, what Jill does with this situaion is indeed inconsistent.no, it doesn't work like that
apart from that I don't understand what would be the legitimate reasons that should convince me that I'm wrong not to be satisfied with a scene ....
I have already explained why Jill's behavior FOR ME is not consistent.
for a person with Jill's strong morality, willing to go against what MC had explicitly told him in order to report Chad's attack, it is not coherent to hide a crime without first understanding the situation. she theoretically believes that MC started a fire in a house full of people ....
Does Jill blindly believe in Tybalt? possible, then it should be she who does not want to have anything to do with MC (who with her gesture put at risk the piano she cares so much about)
and love and age have nothing to do with it, she covers up Mc's "crime" even if they're just friends (because of MC's bad behavior)
here too, what would the legitimate reasons be?
that I didn't understand the scene, and I didn't understand the character
perfect and reasonable