VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Meushi]

That's not what it is. HE created a code, a System. What your "mod" does that you use, is simply breaking the game, the system he created, which itself cause problem to the game.
This is not his fight against cheating or way more importantly not the Game fault.

DPC has long had code which checks for the presence of mods and prevents the game running. In recent versions he's introduced increasingly stringent anti-mod checks.

He breaks ports or compressed versions which don't necessarily alter his game in any meaningful way. Modders/compressors/porters now have to do a bunch of extra work to disable DPCs anti-mod code for their releases to work.

So DPC is against modding of any description, regardless of whether the mods cause bugs or not.

No idea why, it might be he doesn't like dealing with complaints which are actually due to mods rather than the official game. But this seems unlikely, given he seemingly bans anyone who reveals they're running an unofficial version.

More likely he just doesn't like people messing with his game, because he's a control freak.

 

[ChipLecsap]

DPC has long had code which checks for the presence of mods and prevents the game running. In recent versions he's introduced increasingly stringent anti-mod checks.

He breaks ports or compressed versions which don't necessarily alter his game in any meaningful way. Modders/compressors/porters now have to do a bunch of extra work to disable DPCs anti-mod code for their releases to work.

So DPC is against modding of any description, regardless of whether the mods cause bugs or not.

No Idea why, it might be he doesn't like dealing with complaints which are actually due to mods rather than the official game. But this seems unlikely, given he seemingly bans anyone who reveals they're running an unofficial version.

More likely he just doesn't like people messing with his game, because he's a control freak.

Interesting I didn't know that, thx for the information.
Regardless I'm on his side on this one , so I don't think he should get any shit on him.
And that part is way more likely on this matter than the usual, he is a control freak, not that him being a control freak is actually a bad thing .
not that I'm saying that if HE would be able to pay for denuvo he would not use it.
But yeah in this modding shit, he just don't want to deal with the complaint I Fully support that. .

IF it was me, I would make sure that these " cheaters " somehow won't be able to finish the game,

 

[KristopheH]

So I was replaying some Sage scenes (as you do), and was reminded that DPC has teased us with Sage Anal, not once, but *twice*

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Here's hoping EP8 finally has Sage and the MC crossing this threshold.

 

[SpearOfReigns]

Developer messing with cheaters and modders has been a thing since the 90s, it's annoying but it isn't exactly new.

 

[shazba]

DPC has long had code which checks for the presence of mods and prevents the game running. In recent versions he's introduced increasingly stringent anti-mod checks.

He breaks ports or compressed versions which don't necessarily alter his game in any meaningful way. Modders/compressors/porters now have to do a bunch of extra work to disable DPCs anti-mod code for their releases to work.

So DPC is against modding of any description, regardless of whether the mods cause bugs or not.

No Idea why, it might be he doesn't like dealing with complaints which are actually due to mods rather than the official game. But this seems unlikely, given he seemingly bans anyone who reveals they're running an unofficial version.

More likely he just doesn't like people messing with his game, because he's a control freak.

Interesting I didn't know that, thx for the information.
Regardless I'm on his side on this one , so I don't think he should get any shit on him.
And that part is way more likely on this matter than the usual, he is a control freak, not that him being a control freak is actually a bad thing .
not that I'm saying that if HE would be able to pay for denuvo he would not use it.
But yeah in this modding shit, he just don't want to deal with the complaint I Fully support that. .

IF it was me, I would make sure that these " cheaters " somehow won't be able to finish the game,

There are three ways that modding the game has been adversely handled:

1. In episode 7 DPC has logic that explicitly looks for the existence of cheat mod files. If the game finds them, it exits immediately (that was the drama in that scene with Josy near the beginning that every second player asked for help with). The work around was to simply use the new mod which had different filenames.
2. The other check that's been around for a while is to determine which platform the game is running on. If it's running on anything but a PC, it omits some random scenes (like the Jill shower scene) and it even resets various character stats. The work around was to install the cheat mod or simply search for "renpy.variant("pc"):" in the code and edit where appropriate.
3. The third method is inherent in Renpy. Mods typically extend the length of the code, when you save the game it saves a pointer to the line in the code. If you attempt to continue a new episode it's very likely that the pointer is misaligned since the code has reverted back to the original length. The walk around is to install the new mod or just load a previous save that works and zip through to the new story.

The first two options are intentional by DPC and would have taken a few minutes to implement, so given the phenomenal time spent building the game, the time taken to add these speedbumps is insignificant, the last one would typically happen with any modded Renpy game.

As to why does DPC bother? Have you played AL? It's pretty obvious DPC likes to fuck with people. Can you recall how many people were crying over the game "crashing" in the Ep7 Josy scene? Fucking heaps. I'd say mission accomplished.

You'll never beat piracy, but there's no harm fucking with them.

 

[thorin0815]

You'll never beat piracy, but there's no harm fucking with them.

What does piracy have to do with modding? It's not like the mods would override any copy protection.

 

[Mre0441]

Just got caught up with ep.7, was not expecting that cliffhanger. Can't wait till the next update.

 

[shazba]

What does piracy have to do with modding? It's not like the mods would override any copy protection.

You're right, the mods aren't associated with piracy in this case since Renpy is so open, but reverse engineering games, bypassing securities, modding, pirating, they're all rolled into one basket pretty much.

 

[dmgab]

Josy look alike

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[thorin0815]

Josy look alike

But only if you have drunk a lot of Raki.

 

[dmgab]

But only if you have drunk a lot of Raki.

Yeah! I know she isnt that similar, but I get the same feeling I get with Josy. Probably the way she smiles.

 

[Deleted member 4143502]

IF it was me, I would make sure that these " cheaters " somehow won't be able to finish the game,

The devs for Serious Sam 3 did that way back when. If you played a pirated version, the game spawned a giant scorpion monster that was super fast and unkillable that would just attack you like crazy. It was hilarious to see people complaining to the devs for support and outing themselves are pirates.

It would be a bit funny to see DPC do something like that. Like, if the game recognizes mods or something, it uses an alternate set of scripts where its all pig latin or just nonsense dialogue or something.

 

[SpearOfReigns]

The devs for Serious Sam 3 did that way back when. If you played a pirated version, the game spawned a giant scorpion monster that was super fast and unkillable that would just attack you like crazy. It was hilarious to see people complaining to the devs for support and outing themselves are pirates.

It would be a bit funny to see DPC do something like that. Like, if the game recognizes mods or something, it uses an alternate set of scripts where its all pig latin or just nonsense dialogue or something.

Not exactly that but there was this in Episode 7 lol

 

[Deleted member 4143502]

Not exactly that but there was this in Episode 7 lol

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Yeah, I remember that. Nice cheeky moment. (I may or may not have used save-edit for infinite money)

 

[tacosdepapa95]

Ive been kinda gone from the thread for a while. are there any previews out from the next episode?

 

[`Ray`]

Ive been kinda gone from the thread for a while. are there any previews out from the next episode?

All of them are here

All Ep8 Preview's so far...

Teases...

Animations...

Special Renders...

 

[harmlesskiller]

Speaking of cheating... for some reason I always disable the minigames, and to me it certainly feels like I'm cheating "playing" without these. Mostly because for some It might seem kinda wrong to pay a girl for her special services with the same money that I found lying between her clothes inside her closet during a party on the main floor

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

There are three ways that modding the game has been adversely handled:

1. In episode 7 DPC has logic that explicitly looks for the existence of cheat mod files. If the game finds them, it exits immediately (that was the drama in that scene with Josy near the beginning that every second player asked for help with). The work around was to simply use the new mod which had different filenames.
2. The other check that's been around for a while is to determine which platform the game is running on. If it's running on anything but a PC, it omits some random scenes (like the Jill shower scene) and it even resets various character stats. The work around was to install the cheat mod or simply search for "renpy.variant("pc"):" in the code and edit where appropriate.
3. The third method is inherent in Renpy. Mods typically extend the length of the code, when you save the game it saves a pointer to the line in the code. If you attempt to continue a new episode it's very likely that the pointer is misaligned since the code has reverted back to the original length. The walk around is to install the new mod or just load a previous save that works and zip through to the new story.

The first two options are intentional by DPC and would have taken a few minutes to implement, so given the phenomenal time spent building the game, the time taken to add these speedbumps is insignificant, the last one would typically happen with any modded Renpy game.

As to why does DPC bother? Have you played AL? It's pretty obvious DPC likes to fuck with people. Can you recall how many people were crying over the game "crashing" in the Ep7 Josy scene? Fucking heaps. I'd say mission accomplished.

You'll never beat piracy, but there's no harm fucking with them.

crashing the modded game was hilarious, I loved it. I wonder if there's a way to launch another game after the "crash", that would've been even better but I don't think it's possible with just Ren'Py

 

[shazba]

crashing the modded game was hilarious, I loved it. I wonder if there's a way to launch another game after the "crash", that would've been even better but I don't think it's possible with just Ren'Py

Not sure if you can launch other executables from Renpy, but in the same vein, DPC could have created a minutes worth of completely bullshit game experience to fuck with people who used the mod: Have Jill ring the mc up telling him she's just discovered she's his aunt and that they'll have to end their relationship, have Riona die in a house fire because she was too stoned to notice it until too late, and have Troy and Chad gang rape the mc over the blackmail pictures. And then end it with, "By the way, stop cheating, cunt!"

 

[Blernblern]

Just got caught up with ep.7, was not expecting that cliffhanger. Can't wait till the next update.

Yeah I honestly feel sympathy towards him now. Not to mention that in the past few episodes he hasn't been that much of a dick towards the MC either.