VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[kyrlian]

No you listen child. Life is never that simple. There's a difference between a cheating slut like a arieth and people in a broken relationship like josy and maya who are moving on before breaking up or someone who's been cheated on and cheating in return like sage. Life is not simple and it is not black or white. It is filled with shades of grey. Josy, Maya and Sage are not cheating sluts who jump into bed with anybody that comes along and treating them like they are because you want a simple minded black and white outlook that ignores context is stupid. I am capable of much more complex thought than that.

So Arieth is a 'cheating slut', now what happened to Arieth's context? Why are you calling names instead of trying to empathize with her? You Maya fans really know how to contradict yourselves.

Double standards, just like Maya says at the beginning "those HOTs are a bunch of sluts" but hey, I'm gonna take their money I don't care. Ok whatever.

And oh yeah I'm a simpleton because I have standards. I never said context doesn't matter, I said cheating is a dealbreaker in a real life relationship (for me of course) and context doesn't change the fact that cheating can destroy a relationship and you should never tolerate cheating. Its called having boundaries and values. But if you are ok with cheating that doesn't make others a bunch of narrow minded idiots, you're ignoring context with me but that's expected because you don't look very sophisticated to me tbh, just another simple 'my way or you're an idiot' type.

peace

 

[DavDR]

I think lack of talent and skills for creative writing are the reasons for that low quality in AVNs. For example, why so many AVN resort to a MC with superpowers of mind control, or things like sleeping sex or sex under blackmailing? Because for a writer is difficult to create and write dialogues for an attractive MC capable of seducing women the traditional way: being charming and having a witty, pleasant conversation. It´s easier to create a MC that just uses magic to get laid or some other cheap trick like that.

I don´t thin that "NTR hysteria" is a major issue. 90% of AVNs would be equally simplistic and shallow without it too.

Oh I agree about the lack of talent. But can you think of any game, in the hundreds and hundreds posted on this site, where the MC has to compete with a competent rival to win the LI? I'm not talking about those games where NTR is the focus, in most of those games the MC IS the Tybalt. But what we never see is an MC that has to outmaneuver an actual rival to win the hand of the LI. In fact in most of these games, even the most well written, the LI's just seem to fall onto the MC's cock, it's so easy to get the girl. Or you have to run a contrived maze of artificial roadblocks to get there.

 

[Warscared]

Yo wtf happened? I was on the Jill path and during the end of episode 8 it only gave me the option to date Sage or break it off with both sage and jill....

dude if you are pursuing Jill and Sage in the same path i do not think you need a solution for your game i think you need to have a hard look in the mirror and consider what you are doing with your life because whatever it is, ITS NOT WORKING!

Is she stupid, coward, a submissive masochist... or all the previous...?

ok you can stop now i am sold on Maya!

She probably freaked out at first:

Spoiler: There she is, freaking out

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Then the HOTs (Quinn, Mel & Sarah) would have smoothed it over:

Maya: "OMG What the FUCK did you just do!"
Quinn: "Chill Maya, they're doing this with all the DIK pledges, he'll be fine."
Mel: "Yeah we do it every year, it's like a tradition."
Sarah: "Yeah, Fuckface knew it was... Holy FUCK, is that his cock!?"
Maya: "Come on, seriously I don't think..."
Sarah: "Just one minute, it's not every day you get to deep throat a taser-induced footlong boner!"
Mel: "Hurry up Sarah, I wanna have a go before it starts to subside..."
Quinn: "Don't worry girls, I don't think it's going down any time soon, Maya really did a number on him."
Maya: "So he's unconscious right, he's not gonna know if I just try a little..."
Quinn: "Oh you dirty bitch. "

makes sense except that Sarah would not be asking for money afterwards if she knew the size of the MCs wiener

and then we must consider what happened after the pink rose visit when the MC was once more inconscient...
and why did she needed to change his bed sheets afterwards...

 

[Jimayo]

So Arieth is a 'cheating slut', now what happened to Arieth's context? Why are you calling names instead of trying to empathize with her? You Maya fans really know how to contradict yourselves.

Double standards, just like Maya says at the beginning "those HOTs are a bunch of sluts" but hey, I'm gonna take their money I don't care. Ok whatever.

And oh yeah I'm a simpleton because I have standards. I never said context doesn't matter, I said cheating is a dealbreaker in a real life relationship (for me of course) and context doesn't change the fact that cheating can destroy a relationship and you should never tolerate cheating. Its called having boundaries and values. But if you are ok with cheating that doesn't make others a bunch of narrow minded idiots, you're ignoring context with me but that's expected because you don't look very sophisticated to me tbh, just another simple 'my way or you're an idiot' type.

peace

She fucks anyone who comes along if they have a dick. Like you really lack critical thought don't you? WhY dOn'T yOu eMpHaThIsE wItH aRiEtH? Your lack of critical throught is fucking astonishing. She fucks anyone with a pulse. There is no nuance there, she's just a cheating slut. And the fact that you want to equate her situation to maya, josy and sage and pretend they are the same is pathetic. Grow a brain.

 

[wakkawalla]

who are your favourite girls? I like Bella

Spoiler: don't do it

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[DavDR]

and you just didn't notice or ignored the fact that they are in different stage of relationship; MC has already done a lot for Sage and they're really get along, so Sage would be more readily to say yes. and it would be a weak comparison hence not a strong argument?

It doesn't change the social instinct of the character as written. As I demonstrated before Maya's first instinct is always to care for herself, the Sage example was just one of many to contrast her behavior.

 

[J.A.L.]

Oh I agree about the lack of talent. But can you think of any game, in the hundreds and hundreds posted on this site, where the MC has to compete with a competent rival to win the LI? I'm not talking about those games where NTR is the focus, in most of those games the MC IS the Tybalt. But what we never see is an MC that has to outmaneuver an actual rival to win the hand of the LI. In fact in most of these games, even the most well written, the LI's just seem to fall onto the MC's cock, it's so easy to get the girl. Or you have to run a contrived maze of artificial roadblocks to get there.

If you don´t know how to write an attractive MC... how would you be able to write a competent rival?
Aboiut BaDIK, it´s not the case. Tremolo has some fun and witty dialogues, so DPC knows how to write a good character. I think that cartoonish rivals are a convention of the genre, like magic cocks and female bi eager to engage in a threesome everywhere. And also, laziness. Again, it´s easier to write a Tybalt than a professor Moriarty.

 

[Tadpol]

Oh I agree about the lack of talent. But can you think of any game, in the hundreds and hundreds posted on this site, where the MC has to compete with a competent rival to win the LI? I'm not talking about those games where NTR is the focus, in most of those games the MC IS the Tybalt. But what we never see is an MC that has to outmaneuver an actual rival to win the hand of the LI. In fact in most of these games, even the most well written, the LI's just seem to fall onto the MC's cock, it's so easy to get the girl. Or you have to run a contrived maze of artificial roadblocks to get there.

Usually the MC is the only decent guy in history. Or worse the only guy. Or the story makes it so that other guys don't see the same girls too much.

Do not despair, the story takes more and more space in this type of game, and I hope that soon the porn part will be incidental.

It reminds me of Eva Kiss who is going to reboot a character from ORS to make him a decent guy. So in the game we won't only have Ian as a good guy, and the rest a bunch of bastards or weirdo.

 

[namelessone22]

That whole Maya/Quinn fandom rivalry needs to stop. Haven't we all acknowledge a common enemy ?

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Did anyone get that Agent Smith quote from the 2nd(?) Matrix about 'see your enemy' go through their heads?

 

[ename144]

doesn't seem like a great argument considering how "electrifying" Maya's hospitality will prove to be....

Hey, that's on Quinn. Do you really think Troy was going to protect the MC from her??

Sage never ask the MC for sexual favors before allowing him to stay. It may be a game condition that they are fuckbuddies, but there's no quid pro quo from the character. And despite Sage's so called anger issues she is awakened in the middle of the night and still offers the MC a place to stay when she understands that he feels like he has nowhere else to go.

Also, despite the MC stating several times that he doesn't want to discuss the matter, Maya pushes it in public and in the middle of class, it's almost discussion rape. As for the tears? Tears from a woman in the middle of an argument are nothing but manipulation. Women know how effective of a tool tears are and use them remorselessly.

No, in Episode 3 Sage will ask the MC point blank if he's only interested in teaching her guitar. If he says yes, she kicks him out and will not offer the MC a room during the Maya/Josy crisis. And that's AFTER the MC overheard Sage say she might have let Chad stay with her if he was willing to do his boyfriend duties, so it's not like I'm pulling the implication out of thin air.

Basically, if Sage can hide behind gameplay as a defense, why can't Maya?

Yes and that's another thing in proving Maya's selfishness. After MC is sexually assaulted, tased and kidnapped the first thing Maya says is 'will you help me' or words to that effect. She doesn't express any concern or remorse until called out on it. It's her first impulse or instinct to think of herself, even in a situation where she should be embarrassed or remorseful.

Ah, I see. When Maya wants to apologize for her behavior in public, it's discussion rape. When she wants to be discrete and handle the matter at hand before apologizing, she's selfish.

Like I said, sometimes I think you carry it too far. There's no question Maya can be self-centered, but that's not unique to her.

In Bella's flashback, her husband does not kiss her

Realism....

Look, I think DPC is a little too gunshy on the matter as well. But Bella's flashback lasts what, half an hour at most?

 

[Garen]

who are your favourite girls? I like Bella

Sage, Riooooooooooo, Nicole and Lily.




(DPC pls gib back Sage original hairstyle in some scenes here and there)

 

[DavDR]

Usually the MC is the only decent guy in history. Or worse the only guy. Or the story makes it so that other guys don't see the same girls too much.

Do not despair, the story takes more and more space in this type of game, and I hope that soon the porn part will be incidental.

It reminds me of Eva Kiss who is going to reboot a character from ORS to make him a decent guy. So in the game we won't only have Ian as a good guy, and the rest a bunch of bastards or weirdo.

I'm a fan of Eva Kiss and used to follow ORS, but I disagreed with her on re-writing that particular character. He was only a side character and served as a good reflection on the MC Lena.

I'm also opposed to the trope of every single side character has to be a potential sex partner. I cringe everytime the cry goes up to make a sex scene for the Cafeteria Girl or the Gym Receptionist, just to give two examples from BaDIK

 

[daemonblackfyre]

Three. Heather, Elena and Arieth.

Ashley don't forget her. Fuck Derek hahahaha.
Ashley & Heathen can bring a lot of drama to this game; I will love to bring secret sex modes that can bring points or something (Don't get caught points dynamics with some of the ladies ).

 

[namelessone22]

If you don´t know how to write an attractive MC... how would you be able to write a competent rival?
Aboiut BaDIK, it´s not the case. Tremolo has some fun and witty dialogues, so DPC knows how to write a good character. I think that cartoonish rivals are a convention of the genre, like magic cocks and female bi eager to engage in a threesome everywhere. And also, laziness. Again, it´s easier to write a Tybalt than a professor Moriarty.

It's not entirely what you're talking about, so apologies & bear with me.
I recommend trying Power Vaccuum (https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-chapter-9-what-if-vol-1-3-what-why-games.36240/)
It's a bit silly & totally tongue-in-cheek, but you're up against your grandfather (who wants to screw your mom & sisters)
but what he does to try to achieve this is basically all the stupid things in the earlier VNs on this site that your MC would try & do. So it's kinda fun to have that as an adversary.

I know it's not the 'competent rival' you mentioned (you mean someone relatively normal like your MC?),
but it is a lot of fun if you don't take it too seriously.

I kept thinking about it, reading all the discussions here, and this seemed (roughly) where to mention it. (sorry to interrupt your discussion though)

 

[DavDR]

Hey, that's on Quinn. Do you really think Troy was going to protect the MC from her??



No, in Episode 3 Sage will ask the MC point blank if he's only interested in teaching her guitar. If he says yes, she kicks him out and will not offer the MC a room during the Maya/Josy crisis. And that's AFTER the MC overheard Sage say she might have let Chad stay with her if he was willing to do his boyfriend duties, so it's not like I'm pulling the implication out of thin air.

Basically, if Sage can hide behind gameplay as a defense, why can't Maya?



Ah, I see. When Maya wants to apologize for her behavior in public, it's discussion rape. When she wants to be discrete and handle the matter at hand before apologizing, she's selfish.

Like I said, sometimes I think you carry it too far. There's no question Maya can be self-centered, but that's not unique to her.



Look, I think DPC is a little too gunshy on the matter as well. But Bella's flashback lasts what, half an hour at most?

Yes, it is discussion rape when the other person tells you REPEATEDLY that they do not want to discuss it! It's forcing a conversation on another person, especially when that other person is engaged in a classroom activity.

Jesus, you guys will go to any length to defend Maya, stretching points way out of proportion and just won't admit to the simple fact, Maya is a selfish character!

 

[kyrlian]

She fucks anyone who comes along if they have a dick. Like you really lack critical thought don't you? WhY dOn'T yOu eMpHaThIsE wItH aRiEtH? Your lack of critical throught is fucking astonishing. She fucks anyone with a pulse. There is no nuance there, she's just a cheating slut. And the fact that you want to equate her situation to maya, josy and sage and pretend they are the same is pathetic. Grow a brain.

I'm not pretending to equate her situation, you did It and brought her not me, its just the disrespectful language and the double standards.

You're not the only one 'understanding of the context empath' who call girls he doesn't like psychos and sluts. Because you only care of the context when it suits your views. Like Maya does, but I think that is intended in the game because she is Maya the feminist and DPC likes to throw little darts to feminism and point out the inconsistencies.

Because that's fake empathy, like the people who cares for animal rights only if they're cute puppies. You care for women, you don't call them sluts.

And of course people who don't agree with you are idiots yeah yeah whatever man

 

[ename144]

Yes, it is discussion rape when the other person tells you REPEATEDLY that they do not want to discuss it! It's forcing a conversation on another person, especially when that other person is engaged in a classroom activity.

Jesus, you guys will go to any length to defend Maya, stretching points way out of proportion and just won't admit to the simple fact, Maya is a selfish character!

Uhmm, I think I just said she can be selfish.

Anyway, my point is the MC has been deliberately avoiding Maya for the last day. The ONLY place she can have the conversation is in public. Even in Gender Studies, she tried to discuss it with him quietly at first and the MC stonewalled her by dragging KRJ into it.

You can certainly argue Maya is only desperate to apologize because she wants to stop feeling guilty or because she wants him to be at her beck and call again. But I can still argue she's desperate because she knows she really hurt him and wants to make amends. You're the one who insists this has to be black and white.

 

[PashafromRussia]

My next short essay dedicated to the five main fears before the 3rd season.

The choice at the end of season 2 will not affect anything	Despite the fact that DPC himself said in the official guide to the game that the choice would be of great importance, this will turn out to be an exaggeration. As before, there will be one main plot in which all the girls will be involved. The change will only affect the fact that some sex scenes with selected girls will be blocked. I would venture to assume that girls from the category of Others will be available on the path of the main girls, which will make this category meaningless.
The story will become much darker. Someone will die.	DPC will decide to make the game more story-driven, dramatically adding drama. As a result, we will get the development of the plot in the spirit of AOA, in which the plot moves so fast that there is not enough time for the normal development of the characters. DPC will begin to dramatize the story unnecessarily and break the characters as it was in the previous game. One of the main plot twists will be the death of one of the heroes. As before, it will be difficult for him to find an adequate justification for dramatic plot twists.
DPC will continue to stretch the plot.	In season 3, a Halloween party will happen only at the end of the season. Episode 9 we will deal with Zoey's unexpected visit and earn money for the party. At 10 and 11 episods we will prepare for party and at the same time go on dates with our girls. DPC as before will give the plot in small portions.
DPC will not cope with the stress associated with the release of the game on three platforms at once	Due to the release of the game on three platforms at once, the load will increase, and with it stress. He will spend more time testing the game for Steam and GOG. In the future, he will release the game for several more digital stores. The number of patrons will grow, he will not be able to properly allocate time for testing and development and will burn out. The development time will increase.
DPC will decide to earn extra money on its game by releasing a merchandise or NFT	The number of patrons will grow. Many of them will ask to release branded fraternity jackets from the game. One of his patrons will turn out to be an entrepreneur and will be ready to help with this. Seeing the popularity of tokens, DPC will also decide to release pixel art based on characters from the game and sell separately on the digital platform. It will produce jackets, tokens, mugs and so on. DPC will not have time to develop the game. He will release small and rare updates, most of the time doing business on his game.

 

[mightybored]

Well, that escalated quickly.

 

[Jimayo]

I'm not pretending to equate her situation, you did It and brought her not me, its just the disrespectful language and the double standards.

You're not the only one 'understanding of the context empath' who call girls he doesn't like psychos and sluts. Because you only care of the context when it suits your views. Like Maya does, but I think that is intended in the game because she is Maya the feminist and DPC likes to throw little darts to feminism and point out the inconsistencies.

Because that's fake empathy, like the people who cares for animal rights only if they're cute puppies. You care for women, you don't call them sluts.

And of course people who don't agree with you are idiots yeah yeah whatever man

It's not a double standard, it's nuance, it's context. How are you are incapable of wrapping your brain around how their situations are different? Seriously learn to think critically.