VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

I also give my 2 cents on the question of the contrast between the "crossroad" and the return of Zoey

as a situation it is realistic that the return of an ex (Zoey is an ex not a friend, maybe she will become one, but for now she is fully and solely an ex) will challenge the relationships in which MC would have officially dedicated himself.

it's not MC's fault, it's fate's fault. without Zoey Mc was convinced of his choice, with her return having doubts is legitimate.

the problem is that this backtrack (which will be there, it will not be optional), for how the events have been constructed, in some cases becomes really cruel, especially towards the two LIs for which there is a real statement (Bella and Jill), MC makes us a really bad figure to back off

 

[RandyPhoenix]

Do you think that Zoey aka Zoya aka Zoe, will be a main girl and she will have a ending with MC ?

 

[felicemastronzo]

Zoey is about 1 1/2 years older than he MC.

MC will be 19 years old while he is at B&R. Emma's Rooster Cluck was 6 months ago. So MC was 18 1/2 years old at that time. Zoey's birthday was at this time and she turned 20. Age clarified.

Zoey had to repeat a course in high school because she failed trigonometry. The MC even says so in the Interlude.

That's probably why Zoey had to do detention, and that's how she met the MC. The MC was 15 at the time, maybe 15 1/2, which would mean Zoey was 16 1/2 or already 17. Zoey taught the MC to smoke, so I assume Zoey was already 17 at the time of detention.

Since Zoey failed trigonometry and had to repeat, it could be that Zoey and the MC took the same trigonometry class.

It is interesting that Zoey's old friends from high school have graduated and may already be studying when the MC goes to B&R. Zoey's old friends are probably all around 20 years old.

Some have already compared Zoey to Quinn in terms of personality, and you can agree with that when you look at Zoey from detention, where the MC meets her. Zoey from Interlude has spent more time with the MC, and if there's one thing we know about the MC, it's that it can influence people in a positive way.

no one gets put in detention for flunking out....


the reconstruction of the ages seems correct to me, but this leaves the problem of sex between minors...

I also think that the choices we made during the interlude will definitely "shape" his personality.

since it is possible to skip the interlude I would say no

Zoey will have a fixed character, or at least there is a "canon character" for those who skip the flashback

 

[ename144]

ah I forgot: ename144 , you have been overly optimistic, other than shy boyfriend, better no boyfriend!!! you never know how people are sensitive ...

Yeah, bit of a rookie mistake on my part. (To be fair to DPC, the MC does specifically say he "saw" Zoey got a new boyfriend in his narration.)

I'll never doubt DPC's commitment to avoiding NTR again! Though I am now fascinated to see how he handles the vixens.

the interlude left me with two doubts:
When Mc talks to Bella about Zoey we see the photos that Emma took of her, this makes me think that MC has seen them, but did he see Emma's post or at a later time did Zoey shoot them to him directly? the first hypothesis would explain why Mc thinks she is in a relationship...

the second doubt is about the timing: when does Zoey leave? the summer before MC meets Josy? but didn't this create that problem with the age?

We know he must have seen Emma's cluck since there's no other way he could have thought Zoey had a boyfriend. It's possible Zoey had a copy of the pictures herself (they were supposedly something for Zoey to reminisce on when she got old), in which case she might have sent the first one (with her top on) to the MC herself. That would explain why the MC 'saw' it in his narration to Bella even though Emma only posted the topless pic.

As for the timing, I suspect that's being kept intentionally vague to avoid the age issue. She likely left during the school year, so somewhere in the October to May range one year before the present. The MC said he hadn't got a message from her in six months, and that was during the second week of classes. So his last contact with her was in ~February. But in the Interlude Zoey explicitly says she stopped writing Evan daily after the first few months, and then at least a couple more weeks passed before their final message. That moves us back to the November range at the latest.

So I'd say she left somewhere between October and November of the previous year. Of course, this makes her flashback sex scenes with the MC highly suspect, but we'll just shove that quietly under the rug. (That, or her total relationship with the MC was even shorter than his whirlwind romances with the main girls!)

I think that it is established that Zoey drops out and leaves during the school year before the summer that he met Zoey. She has already turned 19 and only has one class left before graduation. I'm not sure, but it might be that Zoey isn't in the same class as MC but rather the year ahead of him which would explain the incongruity. If this isn't true, maybe she was held back a year at some point. What we do know is that she went no contact for six months before that summer, so she would have left fairly early in the school year.

More likely Zoey got held back, I'd say. I suppose it's also possible she was no longer 'in' school and would have completed her trig class at home in much the same way she did in San Diego.

MC will be 19 years old while he is at B&R. Emma's Rooster Cluck was 6 months ago. So MC was 18 1/2 years old at that time. Zoey's birthday was at this time and she turned 20. Age clarified.

We don't *know* that the cluck was 6 months ago; it could have been even longer if it came after the MC and Zoey stopped messaging. I think it's likely that was what finally prevented the MC from reaching out further, but we can't be absolutely certain of that.

Either way, however, it really makes me wonder why Zoey didn't contact the MC in the next six months once she realized how much she missed him. She conveniently waited until he had a new phone with its retconned new phone number.

 

[JohnDelfino]

I have mixed feelings about this interlude. It was overall ok, and while I appreciated the first part, the development of the second half felt too juvenile to me, and kind of broke my suspension of disbelief.

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Her only friend in High School was the MC. That doesn't sound like a party girl who would have an easy time making lots of new friends. She lucked into a group of friends, spent all her time surfing, at the tattoo parlour and studying once surf season ended and still had feelings for the MC. Calm down.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Yeah, bit of a rookie mistake on my part. (To be fair to DPC, the MC does specifically say he "saw" Zoey got a new boyfriend in his narration.)

I'll never doubt DPC's commitment to avoiding NTR again! Though I am now fascinated to see how he handles the vixens.



We know he must have seen Emma's cluck since there's no other way he could have thought Zoey had a boyfriend. It's possible Zoey had a copy of the pictures herself (they were supposedly something for Zoey to reminisce on when she got old), in which case she might have sent the first one (with her top on) to the MC herself. That would explain why the MC 'saw' it in his narration to Bella even though Emma only posted the topless pic.

As for the timing, I suspect that's being kept intentionally vague to avoid the age issue. She likely left during the school year, so somewhere in the October to May range one year before the present. The MC said he hadn't got a message from her in six months, and that was during the second week of classes. So his last contact with her was in ~February. But in the Interlude Zoey explicitly says she stopped writing Evan daily after the first few months, and then at least a couple more weeks passed before their final message. That moves us back to the November range at the latest.

So I'd say she left somewhere between October and November of the previous year. Of course, this makes her flashback sex scenes with the MC highly suspect, but we'll just shove that quietly under the rug. (That, or her total relationship with the MC was even shorter than his whirlwind romances with the main girls!)



More likely Zoey got help back, I'd say. I suppose it's also possible she was no longer 'in' school and would have completed her trig class at home in much the same way she did in San Diego.



We don't *know* that the cluck was 6 months ago; it could have been even longer if it came after the MC and Zoey stopped messaging. I think it's likely that was what finally prevented the MC from reaching out further, but we can't be absolutely certain of that.

Either way, however, it really makes me wonder why Zoey didn't contact the MC in the next six months once she realized how much she missed him. She conveniently waited until he had a new phone with its retconned new phone number.

I like the misunderstanding about Emma's post, because it kind of gives the idea of an MC spying on what Zoey is doing anyway and giving up when he sees she's moved on, it's sad but realistic.

absolutely could also be that Zoey actually had him a boyfriend (not Bret), in the end she was in San Diego for a very long time and that she was all the time "alone" is as realistic as Sage waiting months and months is....

 

[walker188]

No.

Although I find it interesting that, Zoey was pretty, before the ruinous ink jobs.

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Yeah. I've dated girls with ink before, even lots of it. But chest tattoos are an absolute deal breaker for me.

Ems looked disgusting. She literally had tattoos AROUND her breasts. Zoey isn't much better, post interlude.

She could have been perfectly cute with a sleeve and those wings on her should blades.

 

[StupidRabbit]

I have played this entire game about 4 times, and only now I have discovered the minigames, because I always left them disabled. If you are one of the few who is playing this game now, play it at least two, once with and once without the minigames. Sure, the English and math minigames are a little boring, but the mansion minigame is worth it. Simple but cool.

 

[POVREVIEW]

my wife just told me here a good idea stop making guess and wait for them game oh yeah do the dishes..

I filed for divorce I hate waiting

 

[skinnyft]

Sage looks so fuckin pissed, i wonder why

 

[Cricco]

Doll can't talk, it's not your wife

 

[POVREVIEW]

Doll can't talk, it's not your wife

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haha no no no that is tim and his wife the people who live next door. the one with the bad hair cut

 

[dalli_x]

I thought the game was halfway even before this interlude. And yeah Zoey will be a factor of importance in the rest of the game but i don't see a certain role of LI for her, just an optional one. I'm sure we will be able to decide to pursue her or not and it's not unlikely a "Dik" Zoey will be aggressive in her attempts to win back MC, delivering some drama for MC with any (chosen) LI.
But it's clear whatever their relationship was, it isn't that anymore. Zoey is not the Zoey that left and MC is not the MC that watched her leave/let her go. There is a whole new ballgame, but that will be just a matter of reconnecting as friends first before we can even go for being lovers again. Their relation needs to be redefined, no matter what choices you made for MC.

But that's where the drama is.

01 The MC already realizes when he says goodbye to Zoey that he might have lost more than just a friend.

02: Now comes the fateful Rooster Cluck of Bitch Emma. Zoey doesn't call the MC to make it clear that it's not like that. She can tell Emma herself that family and friends have seen it and the damage is already done. We have seen the responses to the cluck. Zoey resigns for a while. The MC does what he advised Sage to do in EP1. He accepts Zoey decision from the Rooster Cluck even though it was a lie, which the MC can't know because he has no contact with Zoey anymore.

03. MC falls in love again. Has also been about 4 months since the Rooster Cluck.

04. the MC tells Isabella the Zoey story. Again the Rooster Cluck is in the center as a wrong basis for the separation.

05. in EP6 after Sage and Chad's breakup, the MC comforts Sage. What can he say to Sage. It is an option. Sage is supposed to take her time. Let her be angry, sad, etc. But then seek closure. Sage also asked the MC if he had done it yet. The answer was that he should have, but now it's too late. I assume this was not referring to the Rooster Cluck, but rather a conversation before Zoey left.

06 Interlude is coming to an end. Zoey realizes that she has been chasing a hopeless dream. Yes, she has reconciled with her mother on her birthday. But who did not even congratulate Zoey. The MC. That certainly hurt Zoey and she realizes that very lost more than just money. (Jill told us in EP3. Money can buy you nice things, but not what really matters in life). What lesson Zoey learned from this we'll decide.

DIK Zoey: She will confront the MC that he didn't fight for her. She'll go back to being the defiant little brat from detention when the MC met Zoey. (This Zoey fits in with Fuck Buddy Sage, Quinn and the Side Girls. Orange Sky).

CHICK Zoey: She's going to be an adult about the situation. (This Zoey fits in with Sage, Jill, Isabella, Josy/Maya Throuple. Orange Sky)

But one thing is obvious. Bitch Emma's Rooster Cluck is the deciding point in the whole Zoey/MC story.

 

[Canto Forte]

so she was ok not giving a damn about MC for that long, not looking at the social media, not
calling his pa, who is buddy-buddy to her once she makes one appearence after all the heartache and self doubt and pitty hole she dumped MC into for the most insane opf minute reasons for a life to live with no purpose.

 

[Canto Forte]

Talk about lack of communication. Lost into her own head, not thinking straight, she bombed her relationship with all blank and no talk. What a floozie. That intimate record of her inner demons prooves nothing to us or MC. Fact is she went radio silent for no reason that would ever hold in any argument.

 

[shazba]

It's got to have been said already, but MVP of the Interlude is definitely Jenna.

For those who don't know, she's into girls, and when she's not dancing for money, she enjoys long walks, cooking and reading books... oh sorry, that was Nicole. But Jenna is definitely into girls.

And these are her tits:

Spoiler: Sorry, no face...

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Yes Emma, they are.

But my favourite scene of the whole Interlude was Jenna cheerleading the drunken sex between Emma and Bret.

Spoiler: Yes, in the asshole...

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She was so fucking wasted, she looked half asleep.

And may I point out, this little hotty had some very nice tattoos.

That's right bitches, tattoos!

We know he must have seen Emma's cluck since there's no other way he could have thought Zoey had a boyfriend. It's possible Zoey had a copy of the pictures herself (they were supposedly something for Zoey to reminisce on when she got old), in which case she might have sent the first one (with her top on) to the MC herself. That would explain why the MC 'saw' it in his narration to Bella even though Emma only posted the topless pic.

I like the misunderstanding about Emma's post, because it kind of gives the idea of an MC spying on what Zoey is doing anyway and giving up when he sees she's moved on, it's sad but realistic.

absolutely could also be that Zoey actually had him a boyfriend (not Bret), in the end she was in San Diego for a very long time and that she was all the time "alone" is as realistic as Sage waiting months and months is....

I think a really obvious answer to how the mc saw Zoey's cluck was that Emma tagged her in the photo.

Zoey was shitting herself that all her friends and family were gonna see the photo

Spoiler: And they did...

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Since I'm sure none of them were following Emma, tagging Zoey in the photo alerted all of Zoey's followers, including the mc.

Mystery solved.

my wife just told me here a good idea stop making guess and wait for them game oh yeah do the dishes..

I filed for divorce I hate waiting

I hope you didn't do the dishes either!

 

[Canto Forte]

What ever your nit pick, dev has so many followers and artists out there aware of his huge success,
he could, should he want to, comission a better looking unique male character, least for MC,
or some more for the others who have most screen time and become even more outstanding of a phenom than he already is.

 

[sixart]

I also think that the choices we made during the interlude will definitely "shape" his personality.

You know that we played as Zoey in the InterLube... so why would anything that happened there shape Fuckface' personality ??? ( his HER ! )

dalli_x it's quite good but you are in conflict with your own theory at some points...

04. the MC tells Isabella the Zoey story. Again the Rooster Cluck is in the center as a wrong basis for the separation.

05. in EP6 after Sage and Chad's breakup, the MC comforts Sage. What can he say to Sage. It is an option. Sage is supposed to take her time. Let her be angry, sad, etc. But then seek closure. Sage also asked the MC if he had done it yet. The answer was that he should have, but now it's too late. I assume this was not referring to the Rooster Cluck, but rather a conversation before Zoey left.

@ 4 you still claim that a months after cluck is what sealed the deal but at ( @ 1 too you raise doubts ) @ 5 you tend to go with closure at Zoeys departure... ( the latter is the correct one... 2800 miles is 2800 miles... only fools think this has flickering hope )

@ 6 you claim WE will decide what lessons she learned from this... this is wishful at best... afraid this will be actually been already decided with Zoey being a DIK or not... whatever the case may be Fuckface ( or you as the player ) will have little to nothing ability to change it... though YOU as Zoey made already this choice the rest comes via DPCs storytelling )

Bitch Emma's Rooster Cluck is the deciding point in the whole Zoey/MC story.

Scratch out Fuckface and we are golden... the damage has been done long ago

Fact is she went radio silent for no reason that would ever hold in any argument.

It is so simple in fact...

That's right bitches, tattoos!

She is not a lost cause YET !!! but... welp I think she will turn into a sub-species

Since I'm sure none of them were following Emma, tagging Zoey in the photo alerted all of Zoey's followers, including the mc.

Mystery solved.

Easy does it !

 

[vogelbeest]

But that's where the drama is.

I'm a simple man, i don't go looking for drama, drama will find you anyway...
Zoey will be there in ep9 and i'm sure she will have a big part to play, but i'm not really sure she will have a big impact on existing relations unless you let her or if DPC makes hooking up with her at that halloween party unavoidable.
But lets face it, Halloween already is the second part of october, you've spent you're summer with butterflies for Josy, and before that you already had several months since you said goodbye to her. So friendship yeah, that's cool, but ruining a good relation for her? That just seems less likely to me.... Giving the option ingame makes sense but i doubt we will be forced.

 

[dolfe67]

Interlude dialogue choices will not affect Zoey later in the game.

After doing Interlude once, if we import more saves we have a choice to skip Interlude, and the only choice we are being asked to make is how Zoey solved the problem with Ems. It is therefore the only variable element of the Interlude that will be reused in the rest of the game.

Yeah. Because you can skip the interlude, I think dialogue choices are pointless and are just for flavor. A bit disappointed but I guess it'd have been too much work. Maybe that single choice wil shape Zoey's character more towards "DIK" (getting Emma's phone) or "CHICK" (calming her down)