VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ename144]

You're way off on that number. It's at least triple that. I count more that 50.

It does raise an interesting question for me, though. I have seen many comparisons of DPC's output of renders, animations, and overall gameplay time compared to other games/AVNs. But not having played a lot of others in this genre, maybe someone else here that's more versed than I am can answer this:

How does the scene count in the average BaDIK update compare to the updates by other developers?

I know ename144 has the data for Leap of Fate at least, but I've also seen him in the Chasing Sunsets and Intertwined threads as well, so bug him about it , but I don't know if I could compare any of them in scope with Being a Dik.

DPC is in a league of his own in terms of content, even if you might not like all of it.

I'm currently tracking development for BaDIK, Pale Carnations, City of Broken Dreamers, Leap of Faith, and The Unbroken (I'm following Where the Heart Is, too, but they don't give render counts very often).

Unfortunately, it's impossible to make a proper comparison because, as OFT implied, there are no clear rules for what constitutes an 'animation.' A 1 second looping blowjob counts the same as a 4 second sweeping panorama of a city or a 9 second clip of a girl inserting a butt plug. That's especially important since DPC seems to be adding lots of small animations these days, which may pad his numbers unfairly. Drifty reports animation progress for Leap of Faith as "frames of animation," which would be a lot more robust, but no one else does that and trying to reverse engineer a frame count is more work than I've been willing to do. Even the static render count is a bit dodgy since Pale Carnations uses Honey Select for its character models.

Still, if we want a *VERY* rough comparison, we can give it a try. I think the best option is to take the total static and animation counts for the most recently released update, then normalize that data per development day. It's a very blunt instrument, but it's the easiest way to keep the data in the same ballpark and has the added advantage that other games could be incorporated relatively easily. So here goes:

Spoiler: Highly Unequal Render Rate Comparison of Selected Games

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Take that for what it's worth.

 

[Lostanddamned]

at this point I think I'm kind of debunked almost everything, that some of you guys disguise as a secret NTR fetish, or hoping to use it as an ammunition for new kind of Trolling .
Lostanddamned . probably one of them who would gladly like to use this as new weapon for Trolling, He lives for Trolling, and the Jill Smile is getting a bit old now. But an NTR is a never ending amunition, obviously he would love it to have it. .

When you mentioned Bella and James, I expected you to bring up my theory about it, but it seems you forgot about it.

Besides since we already decided that Jilly bean is completely uninteresting and not worthy of our time, how about we discuss the fact that Josy wasn't a virgin and in fact seemed quite experienced with dicks.

 

[NebulousShooter]

I think I finally get it, maybe I'm the weird one and I accept it, the issue is that majority of players seem to be self inserting, while for the most part I play the MC I was given, making choices that would make sense for someone like him, not me, almost like roleplaying as the MC, if you will. Do I make choices only for the outcome I want to see? Sure, but thats because I know I can go back and play in a different way from a save. If I only had one playthrough in my life for sure it wouldn't be me living my power fantasy through the MC.

I recently went back through some of the other VN I play threads and especially the Acting Lessons one, just to see the shit show unfold and I keep reading arguments such as 'I don't play games to get sad', if she makes the MC jealous(God forbid ), she is done' etc. and I have to ask. How the fuck did you play any games in your life? How do you watch TV Shows, Movies? Do you play only Dress up Barbie where no matter what you do you win and watch Disney princess movies, where the villains is a joke and its always rainbows?!

One other thing I was wondering, why do you think Movies and TV show don't adopt the same dogma about not showing affectionate stuff that doesn't include the MC? Isn't it because having it makes the characters feel more alive? Or is it for 'us fetishists' ...

Strawmanning to reinforce your biases while accusing the others of strawmanning, this conversation is so dumb, I swear...
I hope at least 3rd party just scrolling through are having a laugh.


I concede that this genre seems to be designed around self inserting, living your fan fic and/or compensating for whatever irl shortcomings(my interpretation) and it was bound I eventually find an Internet corner where I 'don't fit in with the crowd'.

I don't understand the general mentality the same way I don't understand youth and tik tok and thats OK. Me bitching and moaning has no bearing on your enjoyment of the game and the vast majority of Authors seem to agree with you. Whether the reason is taste, vision, or financial, it doesn't matter. The point is you have nothing to worry about.

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[NebulousShooter]

But it could also have been Misha. There is a backpack next to John in the hallway and this backpack is seen in Rusty's room in the last Freeroam event. Rusty got closer to Misha in EP8 and Rusty also takes Misha with him in his car. Furthermore, other Dorm Girls are also present at the party, standing next to John.

Because Camila is on the menu at Quinn's restaurant, she may have fucked some guy somewhere. At the party with the Cathy Cluck, not only was one toilet locked, but also the one upstairs. Who knows what all goes on in the basement, Tommy's room.

I think its easier to narrow it down to Camilla since most people assume Quinn's involvement in the cluck.

You are right, I totally forgot that a lot of the dorm girls are seen around at parties. I think DPC can pick any number of persons being the culprit and make it work, since he can always point, 'hey look, they were always there'. It might seem cliché, but it works.

 

[Deleted member 4374281]

So I had the option this time to pick "Other" for the relationship at the end of Season 2. I'm curious as to how that will pan out in comparison to the others. Will there be opportunities to build something with the relationships that you decided not to pursue? Or does it leave the door open to characters that your character hasn't been with such as the nerd girl that you can throw into danger during the roleplay sessions.

This is definitely one of those games where I have felt the need to have multiple versions running just to see where the story goes. There are so many freakin options that it has to be a pain in the ass to script. Telltale should have hired this guy. Imagine how much steamier Wolf Among Us would have been.

 

[ChipLecsap]

When you mentioned Bella and James, I expected you to bring up my theory about it, but it seems you forgot about it.

Besides since we already decided that Jilly bean is completely uninteresting and not worthy of our time, how about we discuss the fact that Josy wasn't a virgin and in fact seemed quite experienced with dicks.

I did, just not in this comment, but I referred to it, with the whole the "Flashback is suspicious. ".I really like that theory actually, so until its proven wrong, I go with that, instead of the DPC avoiding it for fear of controversy

And you didn't hear me complain about it did you? The fact that she has experience makes her Sex scenes very good, all of Josy Sex scenes are very good. although there are room for improvement, Deepthroat, and Anal. But I guess I have no other choice, tuna to teach her these by myself, not an ungrateful task IMO.
Josy problems comes from a different sources

 

[ChipLecsap]

One other thing I was wondering, why do you think Movies and TV show don't adopt the same dogma about not showing affectionate stuff that doesn't include the MC? Isn't it because having it makes the characters feel more alive? Or is it for 'us fetishists' ...

dude , really? .This is just a joke right ? .

 

[NebulousShooter]

dude , really? .This is just a joke right ? .

Maybe? Not really, genuinely curious why people have a problem with it in one medium vs the others. But like I said, I didn't consider the self insert angle, so that explains it. I don't understand it, but I sorta see why its that way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[ChipLecsap]

Maybe? Not really, genuinely curious why people have a problem with it in one medium vs the others. But like I said, I didn't consider the self insert angle, so that explains it. I don't understand it, but I sorta see why its that way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It is not just the self insert, although you admit your choices is based around what you want to see, because you know, that you can roll back and see an another version of it. .

In the other mediums, You are purely a Watcher. nothing more. yet, You will developing feelings. You gonna be more interested in one aspect than the other. You may dislike a character more then an another, or a certian storyline. But you don't have influence over it no matter What.
In a Video game, You are not just a Watcher, You get the chance to shape and influence the things for your own liking, In what kind of extend you get the chance to shape the things depend on the game.

Even if you dont do it as deep as some kind of Role-playing. Your choices will be your choices, based on your own feelings or likes.

That's the difference.

And surely there was movies, or tv shows, or even books, where you would like if a certain character would be removed, or getting less screen time, or the generality that if it was up to you you would like it to be diferent, or simply you would just like it better that way.
No other medium allow you this, except Video Games.

 

[LizaS]

Inb4 DPC decides to give her an ending in which MC becomes the new owner of the Pink Rose and Madame ends up being his main bitch.

Though the Others part branching worries me. If he opts to give each side LI a route of their own (like Quinn, Riona, Camila, Nora and etc.) it's going to be way too complicated to branch properly with all the choices and stuff.

Now you make me wonder...
after you choose "others" does Madame possibly appear among all the girls?


tell me no, tell me no, please tell me no

 

[NebulousShooter]

It is not just the self insert, although you admit your choices is based around what you want to see, because you know, that you can roll back and see an another version of it. .

In the other mediums, You are purely a Watcher. nothing more. yet, You will developing feelings. You gonna be more interested in one aspect than the other. You may dislike a character more then an another, or a certian storyline. But you don't have influence over it no matter What.
In a Video game, You are not just a Watcher, You get the change to shape and influence the things for your own liking, In what kind of extend you get the chance to shape the things depend on the game.

Even if you dont do it as deep as some kind of Role-playing. Your choices will be your choices, based on your own feelings or likes.

That's the difference.

And surely there was movies, or tv shows, or even books, where you would like if a certain character would be removed, or getting less screen time, or the generality that if it was up to you you would like it to be diferent, or simply you would just like it better that way.
No other medium allow you this, except Video Games.

Like I said, I'm relatively new to the genre, probably tried around 10ish Vn, not even finished all, so maybe I am the one that is applying unfair expectations, coming from other mediums.

Looking on the first page of every single thread and seeing the same 'Will it have harem and will all LI be virgins' sprinkle the occasional 'incest patch?' I can't shake the feeling that I'm not actually getting the author's vision but a curated version shaped around those expectations and the financial incentive.

Maybe I am wrong in even assuming that the author is trying to tell more, but I personally feel the genre could be so much more if it was not narrowed down to the same specific parameters, copy and pasted over and over that it makes you feel that if you played one VN, you played all of them.

 

[SamualHand]

I thought Camila, Riona, Quinn, Nicole and others kept their pussies just for me. The world is very unfair and cruel.

They told me the same.... so we are two at least. I'll call that cheating!

 

[BigbyWulfe]

this VN kills my ram. this is how you make a VN for now on thats how you make em. that said this is fucking awesome. the amount of detail and depth given to each character is amazing. truly amazing. a bit a drama touched with serious issues and comedy. several scenes caused me to bust a gut, i couldn't breath my face hurt and the following day my abs were so sore i could barely get out of bed. this is truly a masterpiece. i'm sorry but because of a certain scene in acting lessons straight up fuck that VN.

 

[Lostanddamned]

I did, just not in this comment, but I referred to it, with the whole the "Flashback is suspicious. ".I really like that theory actually, so until its proven wrong, I go with that, instead of the DPC avoiding it for fear of controversy

And you didn't hear me complain about it did you? The fact that she has experience makes her Sex scenes very good, all of Josy Sex scenes are very good. although there are room for improvement, Deepthroat, and Anal. But I guess I have no other choice, tuna to teach her these by myself, not an ungrateful task IMO.
Josy problems comes from a different sources

I don't know if you've seen it, but Dalli has been building upon my theory with the claim that the guy with the glasses that's watching them is actually James' killer. I don't know where he comes up with these stuff but this one is another one of those theories like the one with Josy wears white pants and Jill wears white pants, so this proves that they are sisters.

Same here. I didn't mind that Bella was actually married at one point of time before meeting MC and it's completely clear that she's no a virgin (that's the specialty of Mary-Nicole, who gave birth to a child while being a virgin and still was a virgin at the point of meeting MC ). I'm glad you aren't one of those guys, the Chasing Sunsets thread has been annoying me for the past few days with such a meaningless debate (if one of the main LI's is a virgin or not) and ironically, the whole retardation was started by two other devs of games who have nothing to do with Chasing Sunsets.

 

[ToshinRaizen]

what if any......

 

[DarkKiller]

We're still absolutely none the wiser as to what went on in Bella's past, and really, the big reveal will come when the mc discovers it, not in a flashback. Going into the locked room will probably explain a lot, but whether the mc goes in uninvited or Bella decides to share with him... Who knows.

I think we'll get some kind of reveal in EP9, I can't imagine the episode not having a confrontation between Bella and Jill if we're on Bella's route, and Jill must mention something about James. If DPC decides to water it down to Jill just being jealous because Bella told her to date MC I'll be quite disappointed tbh, especially on a playthrough where we don't pursue Jill.
But I'm not expecting a full reveal including what's in the room until the end of the season.

Although I'm not sold on the "James is not really there in the flashback and Bella was just imagining things and her supervisor sent her home because she thought Bella was a whackjob" theory, it definitely was a bit strange that her supervisor sent her home purely for talking with her husband (maybe they kissed offscreen but that's still no reason to send her home). Maybe the supervisor is just a cunt, but it's possible there is more to it. I mean why did Bella really freak out when she found they were headed there? Because she worked there and her husband visited her there once? Is that really a good enough reason to go running all the way home? Seems a little weird...

A lot of stuff happened in that library offscreen, that's almost certain, Bella herself said it during the dinner, "that place brings back a lot of memores. Both good and bad. Mostly bad.", so we know she has a lot of bad memories from those times, the flashback happens to show us one of those times things didn't go well for her.

 

[sixart]

Us running around in circles with stupid arguments seem to have made @sixart run way, come back mate, we promise to stop

I haven't gone anywhere... I'm just less active which you pointed out almost exactly well the thread runs around in circles... same folks same discussion ( semi-new perspective ) same outcomes... I think it get's boring in a while so why should I be active ?... unless to goof around as usual

Nobody " makes " me do anything I don't agree to... so don't be afraid you guys won't chase me away

 

[ChipLecsap]

I don't know if you've seen it, but Dalli has been building upon my theory with the claim that the guy with the glasses that's watching them is actually James' killer. I don't know where he comes up with these stuff but this one is another one of those theories like the one with Josy wears white pants and Jill wears white pants, so this proves that they are sisters.

Same here. I didn't mind that Bella was actually married at one point of time before meeting MC and it's completely clear that she's no a virgin (that's the specialty of Mary-Nicole, who gave birth to a child while being a virgin and still was a virgin at the point of meeting MC ). I'm glad you aren't one of those guys, the Chasing Sunsets thread has been annoying me for the past few days with such a meaningless debate (if one of the main LI's is a virgin or not) and ironically, the whole retardation was started by two other devs of games who have nothing to do with Chasing Sunsets.

Well, in the defense of Dalix, Josy and Jill also wore Black Leather pants, in the same episode.... so Who know , may be there is something in to it .

I was vividly against the Idea of Jill being a Virgin. I had lots of debate and back and forth with Holly B about it, I eventually lost that bet, as We aware. I think Maya would have been more than enough for the "first time with a boy" storyline. I dare to say its even better.

Jill would been better, if She had a bad experience or even couple of bad experience, where people took advantage of her. That would fit more in to the , She has trouble seeing if someone approaches is genuine toward her, and could been a good reason why She is more cautious with MC.

But, well, it is what it is. Overall, the Sex scene was pretty decent. I just hope that She actually evolve and we move past that era of Jill "incompetence", I think that's an okay word for it.

 

[dalli_x]

When you mentioned Bella and James, I expected you to bring up my theory about it, but it seems you forgot about it.

Besides since we already decided that Jilly bean is completely uninteresting and not worthy of our time, how about we discuss the fact that Josy wasn't a virgin and in fact seemed quite experienced with dicks.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if Josy had had sex with a man before.

But.

DPC again leaves many gaps on this topic. The first thing I have to mention is what Maya told the MC in EP3. She is no longer a virgin, has dated men, but has never had sex with a man. Yet she is no longer a virgin. Could this also apply to Josy?

Let's take a look at Josy. So we know that the characters in BaDIK do not have sex until they are 18. In the flashback of Josy and Maya from EP4, they both have sex with each other for the first time, ergo they are 18 years old. This all happened during high school vacation, so it should also be clear that they are both older than the MC since his birthday was after he was in school. So they are all currently 19 years old. Back to the topic. Josy and Maya had their first sex in the first half of the year, which means Josy was already about 5-6 months 18 years old. Also, we learned after the fact that she had friends where she was, but there was no mention of whether there was a boyfriend.

Considering that Maya and Josy were living near B&R at the time, as we learn from Maya in EP1, stepbrother Tommy was not far away, and we all know that Tommy would not react well to Josy's boyfriend. The DIKs at least agreed that they would rather not tell Tommy that Josy spent the night at the MC. So Tommy may have been acting as a cockblocker, which can also be seen as a reason for Josy's hatred of Tommy. After all, Derek tells the MC in EP3 that he will not be a cockblocker.

Looking at the sex scenes now, I notice that Josy is good at taking the MC's cock while she fucks him. But what I've noticed is that she's definitely sexually inexperienced when it comes to blowjobs, titty fucking, and ass fucking, and she's insecure when it comes to having an orgasm in front of the MC. This is unusual.

- In EP2, Josy asks the MC if he enjoyed the blowjob. The MC's answer was clear.
- Also, we learn through Josy's thoughts that she hasn't had human contact in a long time. Probably, she was faithful to Maya from the first sex to the sex with the MC.
- So during sex in EP5, Josy knew the MC liked the blowjob and is sure of it.
- But we also learn that she has never done a titty job and an ass job and this is new to her. But she takes the MC's cock all the way in.
- During lesbian sex in EP6, we learn that Maya has used Mr. Dildy very rarely, but Josy implies that she has experience with dildos because she tells Maya that frequent use doesn't make her insensitive.
- But now comes the part where Josy offers Maya to be there when she has sex with the MC for the first time, and Maya thinks it's pretty wild. Josy says it's no more unusual than anything else they're currently doing, at least not for Josy herself. I'm confused by this.

Did Josy have sex before she got together with Maya, but then she should have had more practical experience, but mostly only has theoretical knowledge.

In EP2 Derek tells the MC the following. "I knew a girl who said "everything’s a dildo if you push hard enough"." Derek has known Josy for a long time, and Maya can't even get along with Mr. Didly. So that might explain why Josy can take the MC's cock all the way.

In EP5 Hangout, we learn more about Josy, so Arieth wanted to teach her everything. And she did. At the MC's birthday party, we learn that John, Elena and Arieth had a threesome. At the end of EP6, at the HOT initiation party, Josy greets Elena and I find this scene odd because none of the other girls make eye contact in the following 2 screenshots.

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Now comes my guess as to why Josy said it's not unusual for her to be there when others are having sex. Josy probably asked Elena or Arieth for help because Josy and Maya's list included having sex as a threesome. John, Elena, and Arieth showed it to Josy. That's why Josy and Elena look at each other like that in the screenshots, because they have a little secret that maybe the MC, but certainly not Tommy should and must know.

And the thing is this. Josy may have never fucked a man before the MC. If that's not the case, I don't care either.

 

[den_tiger]

Well, in the defense of Dalix, Josy and Jill also wore Black Leather pants, in the same episode.... so Who know , may be there is something in to it .

I was vividly against the Idea of Jill being a Virgin. I had lots of debate and back and forth with Holly B about it, I eventually lost that bet, as We aware. I think Maya would have been more than enough for the "first time with a boy" storyline. I dare to say its even better.

Jill would been better, if She had a bad experience or even couple of bad experience, where people took advantage of her. That would fit more in to the , She has trouble seeing if someone approaches is genuine toward her, and could been a good reason why She is more cautious with MC.

But, well, it is what it is. Overall, the Sex scene was pretty decent. I just hope that She actually evolve and we move past that era of Jill "incompetence", I think that's an okay word for it.

I do think Jill will become more proactive. I think she's the type that's very guarded, but once in love, she'll be open to a lot more.