VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[shazba]

Michelangelo had helpers because it’s common sense to have help when undertaking a project of such a massive scale, instead of tackling the whole thing alone. I know he will never hire help but that doesn’t mean it should not be suggested when it seems reasonable. This game could reasonably be just as good if not better AND produced at a faster rate if he brought on help. I’m not questioning his work ethic or his passion or the quality of his work. But refusing to delegate menial tasks and grunt level work due solely to one’s own stubbornness is immature and shortsighted.

and I know you were just making a blanket statement regarding his work habits, but let’s not pretend he is working construction for 12 hours a day or had to go to medical school for 10 years to perform delicate surgeries or is even hanging upside down painting the roof of a church for years on end.The man works at home in front of a computer; that doesn’t mean his work isn’t hard but there are people who bust their ass physically/mentally/emotionally and will never make as much as DPC does in a lifetime. I work in healthcare, taking care of the sick and the dying and the disabled. It’s a mostly thankless job with a laughably bad wage and I don’t particularly appreciate the comparison to DPC when I come home at the end of a 10 hour day of seeing people at their very worst completely drained of everything. This dude hit the jackpot as far as work goes so let’s not pretend him posing scenes and typing code is the same kind of work other people do day in and day out. (it’s hard to convey emotion through text, so just know I’m not angry at you or anything but I think it’s unfair to compare what he does for a living to others; it’s just not the same kind of work)

I like this game and it’s arguably the best on the site. But I want it to always be better. And him irrationally refusing to expand his labor to fit the scope of the project is a mistake in my opinion. I know he has no deadlines, and in fact he makes MORE money the longer it takes him to finish the game (lul). And that decision is one that makes us all collectively lose. We could literally have the exact same quality or even better, but faster. to me, producing whole episodes faster and finishing the complete story within a reasonable time frame is better than the current state of affairs.

but anyways, the Maya preview was nice and brought some good discussion. I hope it doesn’t take 2 months to get another preview and I hope it’s something related to the Halloween party. I think that will be the chance for the game to be at its most fun/funny before some more serious stuff happens leading up to future events.

Many jobs don't deserve the money they rake in (look at Heard and Depp, two obviously fucked up people, suing each other for millions because they can no longer earn millions when they should really be happy that they got to have millions in the first place), and essential service work conversely never pays a decent amount based on how much we need those workers. Yeah, I get that.

But I don't see this debate being over whether he's getting paid too much, it's about the logistics of expanding his fulltime hobby (that happens to pay for his living, and then some) into a proper business with employees.

To me, it's not irrational that he decides not to, nor would it be irrational if he decided he wanted to. It would actually be a big decision, with a lot of variables;

Pros (none of these are a given, things don't always work out):

• Content should be able to come out more quickly.
• Quality could improve if he sourced coders, writers and/or artists more skilled than himself.
• He could get more subscribers and hence improve the project's income.
• He should have more time for himself and his family.
• He'd be contributing wages into the economy (whichever economy, there's no requirement that he'd have to get local help).

Cons (some of these are potential, not definite outcomes):

• It would no longer be a hobby. It's not really a hobby now, but other than longer hours, there's nothing different to how he's creating the game full time compared to after hours other than the time per day spent on it. Once he starts employing others, things change drastically.
• He'd be responsible for the employ of other people. He can't expect to retain them if he can't provide a steady amount of work. So he'd start having deadlines where he'd need to feed them what he wants on regular intervals (he'd no longer be able to just work on whatever components of the game he feels like at the time)
• He'd be spending his money on others' wages which could result in his take being less at the end.
• The game could come out sooner and unless he starts a new project, his Patreons wouldn't continue donating once the game is done and he'd have to let his staff go and his source of income would dry up sooner.
• He would not be able to say he did it by himself (people like to say he's an egomaniac, but we all have egos, and it's nice to be appreciated when you've achieved something momentous on your own)
• It's unlikely he'd get lucky and get the best employees right away, it's possible he may never get the best employees. They could be good at what they do but unreliable, they'd also have their own lives and complications that could throw a spanner in the works.
• Employees may take longer to achieve things because they wouldn't be working the insane hours that he works, plus it's unlikely they'd be doing the work full time as that's a risk to them (quit their jobs and work for DPC full time, then be out of work after 2 years...)
• There could be disputes regarding their work or how much they should be paid, everyone understands he's raking in a lot for this game, employees might think they are entitled to a lot more than he'd want to pay.
• Employees may prove to be a headache, not following instructions to the letter, but trying to impose their own artistic value into the game that may be contrary to DPC's vision.
• He'd have to employ a book keeper or accountant once he's paying wages since everything's required to be declared correctly (it's much easier when you're just declaring all money coming in as sole income). So that's a straight up overhead
• He could have major disputes, like an employee loses a few days work due to a corrupted harddrive, they still expect to be paid, but DPC gets nothing for it. It already happened to DPC, that he lost work, hence he backs the shit up like a mother fucker.
• Will he have to provide his employee with their equipment? That's further outlay right there.
• The risk of leaks would increase since others would have access to the creation (and we know DPC doesn't like leaks!)
• With all the overheads and distractions from actually just getting on with creating the game, DPC could start to lose his passion for the game.

So none of the above items are concrete, but it definitely illustrates that there are benefits and risks with taking the next step.

So yeah, we want the game sooner, but why should DPC take this risk when he's already making a fortune and enjoying it?

 

[felicemastronzo]

In the developers own words (from this post):

"Work averages to 12-18 hours per day, every day of the week. I have had a few days off here and there, but my last real vacation was back in 2017 "​

I hope for his sake that it is not true... but still it is not a fact, (if he was working on it 5-6 hours a day, which in any case is not little for a "hobby" he would not be smart to say so) and in case he was that would be at the best possible and imaginable motivation not to work alone...

DPC has no motivation to share the pie with someone else, it is not noble but it is sacrosanct. working in a group would make him earn less money (the slice of pie he would have to share) for less time (he would finish sooner). his level of earning is already high that to think that any reorganization of work would lead to a significant increase in income is very difficult. and unlike Michelangelo he does not even have the nagging that he would then really have to finish his Sistine Chapel.

 

[sixart]

Many jobs don't deserve the money they rake in (look at Heard and Depp, two obviously fucked up people, suing each other for millions because they can no longer earn millions when they should really be happy that they got to have millions in the first place), and essential service work conversely never pays a decent amount based on how much we need those workers. Yeah, I get that.

But I don't see this debate being over whether he's getting paid too much, it's about the logistics of expanding his fulltime hobby (that happens to pay for his living, and then some) into a proper business with employees.

To me, it's not irrational that he decides not to, nor would it be irrational if he decided he wanted to. It would actually be a big decision, with a lot of variables;

Pros (none of these are a given, things don't always work out):

• Content should be able to come out more quickly.
• Quality could improve if he sourced coders, writers and/or artists more skilled than himself.
• He could get more subscribers and hence improve the project's income.
• He should have more time for himself and his family.
• He'd be contributing wages into the economy (whichever economy, there's no requirement that he'd have to get local help).

Cons (some of these are potential, not definite outcomes):

• It would no longer be a hobby. It's not really a hobby now, but other than longer hours, there's nothing different to how he's creating the game full time compared to after hours other than the time per day spent on it. Once he starts employing others, things change drastically.
• He'd be responsible for the employ of other people. He can't expect to retain them if he can't provide a steady amount of work. So he'd start having deadlines where he'd need to feed them what he wants on regular intervals (he'd no longer be able to just work on whatever components of the game he feels like at the time)
• He'd be spending his money on others' wages which could result in his take being less at the end.
• The game could come out sooner and unless he starts a new project, his Patreons wouldn't continue donating once the game is done and he'd have to let his staff go and his source of income would dry up sooner.
• He would not be able to say he did it by himself (people like to say he's an egomaniac, but we all have egos, and it's nice to be appreciated when you've achieved something momentous on your own)
• It's unlikely he'd get lucky and get the best employees right away, it's possible he may never get the best employees. They could be good at what they do but unreliable, they'd also have their own lives and complications that could throw a spanner in the works.
• Employees may take longer to achieve things because they wouldn't be working the insane hours that he works, plus it's unlikely they'd be doing the work full time as that's a risk to them (quit their jobs and work for DPC full time, then be out of work after 2 years...)
• There could be disputes regarding their work or how much they should be paid, everyone understands he's raking in a lot for this game, employees might think they are entitled to a lot more than he'd want to pay.
• Employees may prove to be a headache, not following instructions to the letter, but trying to impose their own artistic value into the game that may be contrary to DPC's vision.
• He'd have to employ a book keeper or accountant once he's paying wages since everything's required to be declared correctly (it's much easier when you're just declaring all money coming in as sole income). So that's a straight up overhead
• He could have major disputes, like an employee loses a few days work due to a corrupted harddrive, they still expect to be paid, but DPC gets nothing for it. It already happened to DPC, that he lost work, hence he backs the shit up like a mother fucker.
• Will he have to provide his employee with their equipment? That's further outlay right there.
• The risk of leaks would increase since others would have access to the creation (and we know DPC doesn't like leaks!)
• With all the overheads and distractions from actually just getting on with creating the game, DPC could start to lose his passion for the game.

So none of the above items are concrete, but it definitely illustrates that there are benefits and risks with taking the next step.

So yeah, we want the game sooner, but why should DPC take this risk when he's already making a fortune and enjoying it?

Well done with the pros & cons ... there can be many more added to them but what would that achieve ?! As it is it is plenty to do the thinking whether or not it would be a good idea ... although these are speculative examples ( what if game ) they are not right or wrong good or bad... just something to think about Think DPC already went through this thoroughly and arrived at the conclusion what he uses up until this very day That fans of the game think otherwise or the wishful thinking gets the better of them... is of no importance actually... no skin off his nose I can hear the booing already so...

 

[Arigon]

Let me be very, extremely clear-
No One on this thread could ever call me a Simp of DPC. No One.
I believe that he works way too many hours on this game, way too many days a week.
That is why it will end by Chapter 10. Chapter 12 at the ABSOLUTE LATEST.
No one likes me saying that, but it is true, the dude can't keep this up, and he is too foolish to actually hire help.

Let me also be very clear:
shazba is absolutely a simp
There are many others, and there is a good reason, DPC is top notch on his artwork.
You guys already know my opinion on his ability to tell a coherent story.

Peace!

 

[shazba]

...That is why it will end by Chapter 10. Chapter 12 at the ABSOLUTE LATEST...

In the immortal words of... you, actually :

Time will tell.
I disagree wholeheartedly.

 

[sixart]

Let me be very, extremely clear-
No One on this thread could ever call me a Simp of DPC. No One.
I believe that he works way too many hours on this game, way too many days a week.
That is why it will end by Chapter 10. Chapter 12 at the ABSOLUTE LATEST.
No one likes me saying that, but it is true, the dude can't keep this up, and he is too foolish to actually hire help.

Let me also be very clear:
shazba is absolutely a simp
There are many others, and there is a good reason, DPC is top notch on his artwork.
You guys already know my opinion on his ability to tell a coherent story.

Peace!

Only for non simps...

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[dalli_x]

Yes. It could have been them. It could merely be a camera on resting on a fence post, with a timer. It could be any number of things. Having it be this magical invisible Amelia is simply impractical to draw from what's presented. If she was such a good friend you'd think they'd have mentioned here when the three of them (Lyn, Miranda, and Viv) were out on the town, or virtually at any point before this in the diary when she mentions her friends.

To be honest, I think it's a goodbye photo. Lynette had to leave her best friends behind because she had to go with her father. Ergo, this photo would have been taken long before Neil.

This means that Amelia probably met Lynette, Miranda, and Vivan, but Amelia didn't have time to make friends with Lynette because Lynette was leaving.

But Miranda and Vivan stayed and could have befriended Amelia. So Bianca and the girl next to her at the concert could be Vivan and Miranda's daughters because the three of them know each other through their mothers Miranda, Vivan and Amelia.

So Amelia would only be a signpost for the MC, leading him to Miranda and Vivan and finally to his mother Lynette. Thus, she is actually also to recognize that the MC has multiple ways to find his maternal family. Since Amelie is only a signpost and not mandatory to meet Vivan or Miranda, it is also not mandatory to follow Jill's path.

The MC only has to help Jill with the concert, but not love her. Through his help, the daughters of Miranda and Vivan will become aware of the MC and will ask Jill about the MC, which could then lead to the daughters of Miranda and Vivan wanting to meet the MC. Thus, Amelia would no longer be necessary as a guide.

 

[nyrek]

That is why it will end by Chapter 10. Chapter 12 at the ABSOLUTE LATEST.

I see you went from "10 chapters max" to "10-12"

No, that's still

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inb4 obligatory comment about me being the alt acc of a certain user

as another alt of felice/ached/fuck if I know, they're all the same person, I have to disagree.
jaye is the best girl but tarebear is a reeeeeaaaaaaaally close second best

 

[NebulousShooter]

Is there any scientific explanation for the irrefutable fact that Quinn' scenes have the best music?

 

[shazba]

Is there any scientific explanation for the irrefutable fact that Quinn' scenes have the best music?

There is a clear science behind it. Straight from DPCs mouth (or pen, or keyboard or what-the-fuck-ever):

"The characters I do enjoy writing for the most are, in no particular order: Derek, Quinn, Isabella and Jade."​

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"Rarely do I need to play the scene and the song simultaneously to know that it is right. Again, it just clicks upon hearing the song. Some of these examples would be "Time to rise by Kensington Studios", which, to me, truly elevates Quinn's scene."​

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"The topic of having a character theme is interesting. I've tried to match songs with characters already. The main character has acoustic guitar songs, Jill has piano themes, Quinn/Riona often get edgier soundtracks."​

DPC likes Quinn's character.

 

[dalli_x]

There is a clear science behind it. Straight from DPCs mouth (or pen, or keyboard or what-the-fuck-ever):

"The characters I do enjoy writing for the most are, in no particular order: Derek, Quinn, Isabella and Jade."​

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"Rarely do I need to play the scene and the song simultaneously to know that it is right. Again, it just clicks upon hearing the song. Some of these examples would be "Time to rise by Kensington Studios", which, to me, truly elevates Quinn's scene."​

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"The topic of having a character theme is interesting. I've tried to match songs with characters already. The main character has acoustic guitar songs, Jill has piano themes, Quinn/Riona often get edgier soundtracks."​

DPC likes Quinn's character.

Of course DPC likes the character Quinn. I assume that DPC likes every character he creates. Heck, even the Madame has several scenes in the game.

 

[shazba]

Of course DPC likes the character Quinn. I assume that DPC likes every character he creates. Heck, even the Madame has several scenes in the game.

Spoiler: I mean he 'likes' her

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[felicemastronzo]

Yes you have the power of loving a character that's like the fifth best girl in the game.

Imagination is a big power.... And i have a lot of that shit

 

[Redd23]

To be honest, I think it's a goodbye photo. Lynette had to leave her best friends behind because she had to go with her father. Ergo, this photo would have been taken long before Neil.

This means that Amelia probably met Lynette, Miranda, and Vivan, but Amelia didn't have time to make friends with Lynette because Lynette was leaving.

But Miranda and Vivan stayed and could have befriended Amelia. So Bianca and the girl next to her at the concert could be Vivan and Miranda's daughters because the three of them know each other through their mothers Miranda, Vivan and Amelia.

So Amelia would only be a signpost for the MC, leading him to Miranda and Vivan and finally to his mother Lynette. Thus, she is actually also to recognize that the MC has multiple ways to find his maternal family. Since Amelie is only a signpost and not mandatory to meet Vivan or Miranda, it is also not mandatory to follow Jill's path.

The MC only has to help Jill with the concert, but not love her. Through his help, the daughters of Miranda and Vivan will become aware of the MC and will ask Jill about the MC, which could then lead to the daughters of Miranda and Vivan wanting to meet the MC. Thus, Amelia would no longer be necessary as a guide.

Dalli you ok? The above is purely logical post without any crazy twist in the end... Unless you accidentaly deleted the part when you suggest that next clue about Lynette's past will be discovered during date with Jill at the zoo, since Lynnete made a monkey pose in her photo

 

[sixart]

DPC likes Quinn's character.

I like her too... like like her like her

 

[NebulousShooter]

Spoiler: I mean he 'likes' her

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Sage just might be a good sport and try to wingman for Fuckface, but I took a page from irl expertise. 11 out of 10 times when a woman you are intertwining with ask you if you like other women, you are being tested, so I had Fuckface say 'Pff, Quinn, of course I don't like her, eww, what gave you that idea...'

Meanwhile my room, phone and laptop at the DIK house

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[NebulousShooter]

But joking aside, I will forever be Team Leaf

 

[Cricco]

In the developers own words (from this post):

"Work averages to 12-18 hours per day, every day of the week. I have had a few days off here and there, but my last real vacation was back in 2017 "
I quoted the conservative number from his estimate (12 hours), it's not like I said, "The dude works up to 18 hours a day!!!!!". I also suggested he'd been working like that for 3 years (because I didn't include AL in my post), whereas, reading from DPC's own words, he's been working like that since 2017.

I'm just stating facts; even slightly understating them. I understand in this world where facts have been overshadowed by emotions, that's a bit hard for people to understand.

And I understand that people who have never really accomplished anything significant in their lives can't understand how it feels to achieve something great on your own.

I say all this because it's true. I have no investment in BaDIK (I'm not even a subscriber, and I hardly talk to DPC anymore, he's too busy to take my calls ), I just like playing the game.

I've been a pretty big simp in my lifetime, but if my literal highschool crush told my literal young self that she could fly in the literal air (while shooting literal laser beams out of her literal asshole) and i took her to her literal word i like to believe the only thing i'd have been doing is call the literal police.

So you do that, cause if my guy's been working 12-18 hours for 5 years he about to try his hand at flying too, or he spewing bullshit of such proportion that police needs to be informed

 

[DarkKiller]

and I know you were just making a blanket statement regarding his work habits, but let’s not pretend he is working construction for 12 hours a day or had to go to medical school for 10 years to perform delicate surgeries or is even hanging upside down painting the roof of a church for years on end.The man works at home in front of a computer;

This dude hit the jackpot as far as work goes so let’s not pretend him posing scenes and typing code is the same kind of work other people do day in and day out.

Well now I feel personally attacked!!
jk, I agree to a certain extent that we computer dwellers are privileged

I really doubt DPC has ever spent 12 straight hours coding, and if he has, then he's doing it wrong (unless it's simple if else monkey typing).
I've done my fair share of overtime and what I can say is that it's actually quite counter-productive, it absolutelly drains me mentally, and after 6 or 7 hours my logical thinking starts to go out the window and I start to run circles around the problem. Then I go home after spending 10 hours around a problem, get a good night of rest and sleep, return to work the next day and manage to fix the problem in 2 hours.
And although the work is not physical, anyone who thinks these conditions for prolonged times won't fuck up your health is dead wrong.
Every collegue of mine attests to the same problem, the only people who actually think more time == more work done (by a single person) in IT are clueless business managers.

But in DPC's case, since he wants to do everything himself he'll always have more menial tasks that barely require a braincell to be done so he can do that when he's tired and he'll still be putting in the hours.

 

[znar25]

That preview would have been better like this
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But of course I'm a weirdo

Is that Michael Jackson in later years?