VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[LizaS]

Embrace the fact that we're entering into 8-9 month per update cycle now. Gone are the 6 months per update.

Episode 9 - September 2022
Episode 10 - June 2023
Episide 11 - March 2024
Episode 12 - December 2024

Dang, I've never seen such a truthful and factual statement make me sad and laugh at the same time.
I guess truth does hurt.

Yes, but look at the quality of these newer episodes. More animations, longer animations, higher-quality renders, action-packed free roams, and engaging minigames. If DPC decided to just slap some writing and some stills together, he could probably bang out a new episode in about 6 weeks or so, but then it wouldn't be the most popular AVN title anymore.

This is true. The quality in episode 8 and the Interlude is so f-ing high.
I think DPC should take this as a turning point in his strategy because producing quality renders in high quantity isn't sustainable.

I've told this to other developers who has REALLY HIGH quality renders but insists on keeping the quantity of them high as well. I've told them, you always have to sacrifice something. You cannot do both at the same time. It's one or the other.

One of the devs I had a talk with, sacrificed overall content and the length of playing time because of this. So their latest update had like a lot of renders in high quality but had 5-10 mins. of playing time.
It was awful.

 

[shazba]

Now why would I do that to torture myself? If the release takes too long to come out but I still haven't lose interest, I'll play it the normal way like any sane person would do. If it's been too long and I lose interest, I move on. It's not the end of the world for me or DPC. Your suggestion has got to be one of the silliest way to play the game.

And yet that's exactly what you're suggesting DPC does. Release the game more quickly in smaller chunks.

 

[gamingdevil800]

Even if time between updates keep increase and even if DPC been losing patron, this game still have way more chance to reach the finish line than 99% of the western AVNs currently in development.

Kinda his own fault he's losing some Patrons they were getting a solid two episodes a year. The interlude was by no means a good replacement.

 

[Cabin Fever]

And yet that's exactly what you're suggesting DPC does. Release the game more quickly in smaller chunks.

Obviously you can't tell the difference between forcing oneself to take a break at a random point and not finish the release vs. finishing a smaller release at a logical break point in the story.

 

[sixart]

And yet that's exactly what you're suggesting DPC does. Release the game more quickly in smaller chunks.

 

[Kellermann]

There is no denying that she is kind, almost to much for her own good a times. But on the other hand I can't help but think she is also incredibly selfish as well. She doesn't have to make a big scene, she is still secretly shutting the other person out. It's worse if you ask me because the MC thinks everything is fine. As for the picnic being pivotal sure, but she just springs it on the MC and expects him to just go with her. If you don't she basically says "Fuck it. It's not meant to be so why try at all?".

A dead horse topic for me to bring up again, but I have to say one thing that always bothered me about the Jill route. Once you refuse her picnic in horse shit field, she decides in her mind to 86 you. That is not the bad part though. The bad part is she still strings you along and lets you put everything on the line for her; the music concert especially and running to meet her at the restaurant, etc. Only then does she officially tell you to pound sand...in front of everyone...after you saved her hide in the name of devotion...in front of everyone.

And keep in mind, all of this was on my first Jill playthrough as a Chick, where I thought the Chick thing to do (that Jill would appreciate) was help a sick friend. I specifically remember thinking, what would a good person with a conscience do?

After a trip to a remote Shaolin monastery, much deep thought, fasting, studying, personal reflection, and eventual internet searching of "how do good people act?" I chose to help Sage. DPC: "Wrong choice fucko!" Luckily, I had a save point at that decision. Angry as I was, DPC redeemed himself by including that ep. 8 scene of an emotionally crushed Jill watching MC balls deep in Bella on the very table that they all happily gathered 'round to enjoy pancakes on that oh so joyful Sunday not long ago. Might now be my top cherished render of Jill in the entire game (and the only one that includes her face). Most satisfying wank to that ever.

 

[shazba]

A dead horse topic for me to bring up again, but I have to say one thing that always bothered me about the Jill route. Once you refuse her picnic in horse shit field, she decides in her mind to 86 you. That is not the bad part though. The bad part is she still strings you along and lets you put everything on the line for her; the music concert especially and running to meet her at the restaurant, etc. Only then does she officially tell you to pound sand...in front of everyone...after you saved her hide in the name of devotion...in front of everyone.

And keep in mind, all of this was on my first Jill playthrough as a Chick, where I thought the Chick thing to do (that Jill would appreciate) was help a sick friend. I specifically remember thinking, what would a good person with a conscience do?

After a trip to a remote Shaolin monastery, much deep thought, fasting, studying, personal reflection, and eventual internet searching of "how do good people act?" I chose to help Sage. DPC: "Wrong choice fucko!" Luckily, I had a save point at that decision. Angry as I was, DPC redeemed himself by including that ep. 8 scene of an emotionally crushed Jill watching MC balls deep in Bella on the very table that they all happily gathered 'round to enjoy pancakes on that oh so joyful Sunday not long ago. Might now be my top cherished render of Jill in the entire game (and the only one that includes her face). Most satisfying wank to that ever.

There's no way any dude in his right mind would think his girlfriend would prefer him to hang out with another girl rather than go on the date she had just prepared.

Your brain was in "AVN-mode", trying to second guess what was right. You should have been in "dude-dealing-with-his-girl-mode", knowing you were screwed no matter what you did.

Obviously you can't tell the difference between forcing oneself to take a break at a random point and not finish the release vs. finishing a smaller release at a logical break point in the story.

So what you're saying is you've got no self control, so it's up to DPC to tailor the game for you personally. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to happen...

 

[felicemastronzo]

There's no way any dude in his right mind would think his girlfriend would prefer him to hang out with another girl rather than go on the date she had just prepared.

Your brain was in "AVN-mode", trying to second guess what was right. You should have been in "dude-dealing-with-his-girl-mode", knowing you were screwed no matter what you did.


So what you're saying is you've got no self control, so it's up to DPC to tailor the game for you personally. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to happen...

Girlfriend? Where? When?

 

[Kellermann]

There's no way any dude in his right mind would think his girlfriend would prefer him to hang out with another girl rather than go on the date she had just prepared.

Your brain was in "AVN-mode", trying to second guess what was right. You should have been in "dude-dealing-with-his-girl-mode", knowing you were screwed no matter what you did.

Yet strangely Jill is ok with you hanging out with women like Bella and Josy and others. Hmmm, curious She even pushes it in cases. Tending a sick friend isn't really hanging out anyway. And besides, does MC ever even say his sick friend is a girl? I know he doesn't say Sage's name. You're just simping hard today mate and it has blinded you. You'll come back to your senses soon.

 

[sorco2003]

Girlfriend? Where? When?

 

[Skeltom]

The bad part is she still strings you along

That's a big part of what sours it for me as well. That and the fact that if you don't go on the picnic and she can't get off the the MC's picture she will say "The sparks not there.", even though every other interaction between the two has suggested otherwise. She jus pulls a complete 180 in a very unrealistic way.

There's no way any dude in his right mind would think his girlfriend would prefer him to hang out with another girl rather than go on the date she had just prepared.

They aren't "hanging out", and Jill's not his girlfriend. He is taking care of a sick friend. But because it isn't Jill that must mean he isn't devoted to her enough. I get the feeling if Jill did the same thing she would think it's the right thing to do and it would be fine.

 

[Deleted member 3428287]

world is getting poorer, i doubt there's anything dpc can do to increase his revenue, when he releases update he'll get a spike then it goes downhill again.

 

[LizaS]

Releasing/updating the game in smaller chunks isn't/wouldn't be desirable.

DPC's writing style is ill-suited for those type of releases.
One of the things that make BaDIK separate itself from the chaff is its episodic-esque updates.
When I first played the game, I was in agony finishing episode 7 and waiting for months because of its cliffhanger.

One of the reasons why binging shows in 3 hours is more satisfying compared to watching a 3-hour long movie is because you instead get what you would get from a 3-hour movie in three 1-hour episodes, so it feels refreshing.

 

[NebulousShooter]

His game was killing it on Steam, I think it was in top10 best sellers for like a month str8

 

[Arigon]

Even if time between updates keep increase and even if DPC been losing patron, this game still have way more chance to reach the finish line than 99% of the western AVNs currently in development.

truth!
Because when we get down to the final LI, then someone dies... a house burns.... axes come out.... Jill's penis drops... And she is your aunt... and it finishes by the 10th or 11th chapter, 12th if he drags it out, so yeah almost done
Peace

 

[Arigon]

Releasing/updating the game in smaller chunks isn't/wouldn't be desirable.

DPC's writing style is ill-suited for those type of releases.
One of the things that make BaDIK separate itself the the chaff is its episodic-esque updates.
When I first played the game, I was in agony finishing episode 7 and waiting for months because of its cliffhanger.

One of the reasons why binging shows in 3 hours is more satisfying compared to watching a 3-hour long movie is because you instead get what you would get from a 3-hour movie in three 1-hour episodes, so it feels refreshing.

I don't know Liza...
I you.... DPC and chaff?? He digs in the mud a bit for his story too!

 

[Kellermann]

This could be because Jill knows Isabella and Josy. Jill has a biased opinion of Sage.

True, but Jill has no idea who the sick person is. Could be Josy, could be Troy , could be just about anyone she knows or doesn't know. I just don't understand the jealousy angle from Jill at that very moment, especially when you are trying to do something altruistic which is central to the character of Jill. On my Chick run, Jill has been given no cause to ever doubt me. I didn't even snap a dic pic on Tybalt's phone or so much as take a whiff of cunny in all my time at B&R.

 

[Lostanddamned]

True, but Jill has no idea who the sick person is. Could be Josy, could be Troy , could be just about anyone she knows or doesn't know. I just don't understand the jealousy angle from Jill at that very moment, especially when you are trying to do something altruistic which is central to the character of Jill. On my Chick run, Jill has been given no cause to ever doubt me. I didn't even snap a dic pic on Tybalt's phone or so much as take a whiff of cunny in all my time at B&R.

That ep7_jill_jealousy variable is weird though, so it certainly is going to be used in the future IMO (I suppose it's going to be used on her route, because if it's also used when not on her route it's going to be weird).

 

[shazba]

Girlfriend? Where? When?

Yet strangely Jill is ok with you hanging out with women like Bella and Josy and others. Hmmm, curious She even pushes it in cases. Tending a sick friend isn't really hanging out anyway. And besides, does MC ever even say his sick friend is a girl? I know he doesn't say Sage's name. You're just simping hard today mate and it has blinded you. You'll come back to your senses soon.

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That's a big part of what sours it for me as well. That and the fact that if you don't go on the picnic and she can't get off the the MC's picture she will say "The sparks not there.", even though every other interaction between the two has suggested otherwise. She jus pulls a complete 180 in a very unrealistic way.

They aren't "hanging out", and Jill's not his girlfriend. He is taking care of a sick friend. But because it isn't Jill that must mean he isn't devoted to her enough. I get the feeling if Jill did the same thing she would think it's the right thing to do and it would be fine.

OK, I'll put that down to "phrasing"...

If a girl, who really likes you, comes to your house and tells you she's organised a lovely day out for your birthday, and she (or one of her many servants) has made a picnic and everything. Do you think she'd prefer you to let her down to go see to a sick friend who is another girl (yeah, the mc lets on that it's a girl he's seeing), or that you go out on the picnic with her (and that she doesn't even know about the sick friend)?

Logically speaking, the mc already made his plans with Sage, so he hasn't done anything wrong by telling Jill:

mc: "I'm so sorry. You caught me at a bad time."​

mc: "I made a promise to a friend to come help her."​

mc: "She's sick and needs someone to take care of her."​

Now I know this game has DIK/Chick points, and that'd be the chick thing to do, and Jill likes Chicky boys, but tell me honestly, which response would a real life girl prefer? Of course she would prefer that you go with her.

However, if you told her that you'd already made plans, but you're happy to ditch the sick girl, that would complicate things.

A girl would want you to think they are reasonable and would say, "Of course, you should see your sick friend", but she'd want you to say, "You know what, she'll probably be dead by the morning, so there's no real point seeing her now anyway" to which she'd reply, "Are you sure? ... Yaaah, let's go!"

 

[LizaS]

I don't know Liza...
I you.... DPC and chaff?? He digs in the mud a bit for his story too!

LOL! Never change, Arigon.