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VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

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Sancho1969 said:
Fucking blasphemy!!! You, sir, are not "confident" playing un-SanchoMod'd. You DIK!
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Not my screenshot. I don't have save from this point anymore, so I searched one on pornhub :LOL:
If I remember right this is Misterdoktor's gameplay . Yeah those who upload gampley on pornhub , do use your mod.:LOL:
Regardless, the original, was the same. ;)
 
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ChipLecsap said:
Not my screenshot. I don't have save from this point anymore, so I searched one on pornhub :LOL:
If I remember right this is Misterdoktor's gameplay . Yeah those who upload gampley on pornhub , do use your mod.:LOL:
Regardless, the original, was the same. ;)
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Fucking PornHub whores are worse than us pirates, ain't it? I should put a timebomb in my code if it detects the site to pop up a message of my choosing during certain places in gameplay.... that would be funny as fuck if live-streamed and they didn't know what was coming...
 
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Fucking PornHub whores are worse than us pirates, ain't it? I should put a timebomb in my code if it detects the site to pop up a message of my choosing during certain places in gameplay.... that would be funny as fuck if live-streamed and they didn't know what was coming...
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You should write the famous line. " You hurting my Business " :LOL:
 
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ChipLecsap said:
You should write the famous line. " You hurting my Business " :LOL:
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Just one of dozens I've already thought of: Can you imagine if I timebombed all the lewd scenes to only show that "Panic" button image from... fuck, what was the VN... it had like dogs and balloons and shit on the pic... it was a coded panic button by normally pressing "P".... y'all know WTF I'm talking about, right? That would be funny as hell.
 
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shazba don't be sad bud... I'm just joking around... but not about getting back at the PornHub whores. That shit is in the bag!
 
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BigBlueDude said:
Thats fair. I agree it doesn't have a point and thats why I do like it here!

Im talking from the pov that I dont think there are any working morality systems in any game ever. Plots happen anyway with or without it. Any game dev that sets out to make one to describe humanity or a persons actions, thoughts and feelings fails miserably before they even start. All moral systems are bad because people are not that very much alike at all nor thinks the same. With a couple choices or a you few you can generally get most people to agree that its internally consistent but when the choices pile up the branching possible moral viewpoints multiply exponentially and the whole thing shits the bed. Thats why moral systems suck and shouldnt exist unless handled like in BaDik imo(for now).

The "all or nothing" was more a general note on game development and not in regards to BaDik. If you go the other way and want to make morality a part of the game devs simplify it to bring people on board by making the choices so obviously slanted, slaughter all the things vs saving all the things or something like it. Which makes it a pointless system too imo. Thats what I meant about all or nothing. Theres never really room for nuance. With nuance you run into the mentioned exponential outcome problem of people getting angry or confused or unsatisfied with the choices because they dont lead to what they think is fair or reasonable. On a sidenote, if we all in here sat down and looked at every major dik/chick choice I bet we could argue and overturn every single major dik/chick choice to be the reverse of what it is, or change it to neutral at least. Its just the nature of differing human experience and perception.

Thats why I like the system (PRESENTLY) in BaDik. Its kind of a story guide (in the shape of a moral system) than an actual moral system. The MC is largely the same person regardless of what you do imo. Its more about specific choices, and the choices are not forced upon you by the system, yet. IMO nothing fucking breaks immersion like bad good/evil choices if youre forced to take one.

BaDik have yet to force a bad choice on me. And I LOVE it for that.

No other game with a moral system have ever worked and been better for it due to the system. Usually two unsatisfying paragon endings of either moralising virtue or depraved sin with sometimes a third shitty middle ground not leading to any decent ending.
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affinity is fine with me as a system to increase, albeit somewhat artifactually, playability

but it remains a morality system (with all the flaws you listed) only it is completely passive, it doesn't change the personality of the protagonist but it does change the way he is regarded by others.

and it does this by the worst possible mechanism: the accumulation of points tied to fairly random choices that meet only 2 criteria (that do not directly involve an LI and that are arranged within the chapter evenly: one after the beginning part and one a little before the last part)
wanting there would also be a third criterion whereby of epr se none of the major choices is decisive in anything, at most it is the premise to something, but it is never a really important choice

if they were not flagged, most of the major choices would go completely unnoticed in the set of choices that are continuously made
 
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Blades1138 said:
Oh man, you convinced me 100% with that one choice.
Every DIK option ever is "confidence", I believe it.


Yup, you got me. Give me all your insights professor.
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I don't get why ya'll arguing over this one. It's not one attitude or the other, a DIK character has multiple attitudes:
  • More direct: Telling a girl she looks "hot"
  • Bad attitude: Swearing all the time
  • Rude: Ignores the receptionist once she's given him directions.
  • Inappropriate: Looking up girls skirts
  • Aggressive: Taking on the Jocks (standing up to Chad when he's manhandling Sage)
  • Body Confident: Tells the DIKs he has a jock physique (I don't know how to write it without it sounding weird...), and telling Maya he's not ashamed of his body when he undresses in front of her
  • Sexually Confident: Invites Mel and Sarah into the shower, involves himself with Quinn and Cammy when they are teasing him, joins the girls in the jacuzzi.
  • Immature: Enjoys Derek's moronic antics
And so on.

Some of it would be considered a "jerk's" behaviour, but some of it not, therefore not one word describes the kind of person a DIK is.
 
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shazba said:
I don't get why ya'll arguing over this one. It's not one attitude or the other, a DIK character has multiple attitudes:
  • More direct: Telling a girl she looks "hot"
  • Bad attitude: Swearing all the time
  • Rude: Ignores the receptionist once she's given him directions.
  • Inappropriate: Looking up girls skirts
  • Aggressive: Taking on the Jocks (standing up to Chad when he's manhandling Sage)
  • Body Confident: Tells the DIKs he has a jock physique (I don't know how to write it without it sounding weird...), and telling Maya he's not ashamed of his body when he undresses in front of her
  • Sexually Confident: Invites Mel and Sarah into the shower, involves himself with Quinn and Cammy when they are teasing him, joins the girls in the jacuzzi.
  • Immature: Enjoys Derek's moronic antics
And so on.

Some of it would be considered a "jerk's" behaviour, but some of it not, therefore not one word describes the kind of person a DIK is.
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You're right, there's a whole spectrum, but since a lot of DIK actions are either rude, inappropriate, agressive or cocky, I conflated it into 'Jerk points' which got this "argument" started. While that may not be an accurate name, another thing's for sure - they're not 'Confidence points' by a long shot.

One thing I disagree that directness and confidence are specifically DIK traits. In general a lot of the points are more about how MC expresses himself rather than his qualities. How a menu choice is worded is hardly an indication of what's really going on. For example a certain choice could easily be changed to "Shoo the bitches away"/"Invite the girls in".
A person can be both direct and confident without acting sexually aggressive or cocky. The Major choices are what's most impactful to MC's actual character.
 
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Blades1138 said:
You're right, there's a whole spectrum, but since a lot of DIK actions are either rude, inappropriate, agressive or cocky, I conflated it into 'Jerk points' which got this "argument" started. While that may not be an accurate name, another thing's for sure - they're not 'Confidence points' by a long shot.
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You won't be able to pull off half of those actions without confidence lol

Blades1138 said:
One thing I disagree that directness and confidence are specifically DIK traits. In general a lot of the points are more about how MC expresses himself rather than his qualities. How a menu choice is worded is hardly an indication of what's really going on. For example a certain choice could easily be changed to "Shoo the bitches away"/"Invite the girls in".
A person can be both direct and confident without acting sexually aggressive or cocky. The Major choices are what's most impactful to MC's actual character.
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Basically you have issues with male confidence and testosterone levels above average. Seems like if someone doesn't play nice, he's automatically bad or wrong. That's silly.
 
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