VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[shazba]

no, no, no, i'm asking about the girl with the red mask.

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Anyway, about that Being a DIK game, so good, amirite?

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I agree but I think the fact that she met us has put some joy in her life, without us she would be just a bird in a golden cage. So we can understand that she wants to keep us close to her and take it badly when we go elsewhere.

The most ironic thing is that Jill develops best as a character when MC didn't choose her route or she wasn't in love with him out of her mind.
In that case, we can see good moments that show her growing up. For example, if you were on her branch for a short time, but then jumped off:



Including, if you are not on her route, we see the best version of Jill at the party. She wears a revealing suit, which speaks of getting out of her usual "comfort zone", she easily communicates with people, has fun and drinks, which changes our perception of her as a quiet introverted girl, a "princess locked in a tower". Jill hugs, drinks and chats with the coolest girl in college who is the sorority president. This is Jill who can be easily liked, changes and develops as a person.

But Jill as LI - everything is bad there. Her behavior degrades to the level of a kindergarten child.

 

[Deisp]

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Anyway, about that Being a DIK game, so good, amirite?

Oh, so it's not the DIK girl, I said how come I haven't seen her

 

[felicemastronzo]

It's a public restaurant, just because DPC didn't render some randoms doesn't mean it is empty.

And no, it's very much the opposite -- in a public declaration, if a guy gets turned down then he gets audience's sympathy. He takes a risk, yes, but it's relatively minimized. But the girl who does dare to turn him down instead of rewarding the brave little fellow and making it a movie-like romantic moment? "What a cold-hearted bitch" is what she gets for it. This is a very powerful deterrent, that can make lot of people hesitate and say yes just so they don't get painted as such.

you keep turning the world upside down.

what do you do with the human sympathy of perfect strangers when the only person you cared about at that moment rejects you?

let's assume it's a heartfelt declaration, because otherwise it's simply a joke in bad taste. we're not talking about a marriage declaration between two people who already have a more or less solid relationship anyway, it's a leap into the void without a safety net

if you think that a girl accepts in order not to make a bad impression with strangers you are extremely optimistic, at most a more sensitive (or calculating) person would not respond by moving the discussion to a more private place.

you might be right if we were facing a marriage request between two people theoretically in a more or less stable relationship, in that case the public request can force their hand, but here we are talking about two guys who still have to start their journey.

 

[aykarin]

Including, if you are not on her route, we see the best version of Jill at the party. She wears a revealing suit, which speaks of getting out of her usual "comfort zone", she easily communicates with people, has fun and drinks, which changes our perception of her as a quiet introverted girl, a "princess locked in a tower". Jill hugs, drinks and chats with the coolest girl in college who is the sorority president. This is Jill who can be easily liked, changes and develops as a person.

I don't think Jill wears a more revealing outfit due to getting out of her comfort zone. She dresses sexy and acts more proactively than usual in order to show you what you missed by not being with her. Whereas if you are her boyfriend, she doesn't feel any pressure to act in any way, so she is just her childish self.

 

[c.mork]

When people are asking for Solo Josy, but didn't specify for whom


Art by Stylebender, found on reddit.

 

[shazba]

Maya is "shitting herself" because she's touching the MC as he's being fucking electrocuted. It's probably going right through her wet panties into her clit.

And I'm glad you posted that screenshot. Take a look at the tazer. See how big it is? It's basically the size of a 1980s cell phone. You're telling me she didn't see Quinn hauling that fucking thing around? Yeah, ok.

The electricity from a taser takes the path of least resistance between the electrodes. I'm pretty sure Maya's cunt isn't part of the circuit... Maya wouldn't have felt a thing from the mc being tased.

And yeah, perspective being what it is, the size of the taser isn't really apparent. But I get the impression you're an "alternative facts" kinda guy, so I'll leave it at that...

you keep turning the world upside down.

what do you do with the human sympathy of perfect strangers when the only person you cared about at that moment rejects you?

let's assume it's a heartfelt declaration, because otherwise it's simply a joke in bad taste. we're not talking about a marriage declaration between two people who already have a more or less solid relationship anyway, it's a leap into the void without a safety net

if you think that a girl accepts in order not to make a bad impression with strangers you are extremely optimistic, at most a more sensitive (or calculating) person would not respond by moving the discussion to a more private place.

you might be right if we were facing a marriage request between two people theoretically in a more or less stable relationship, in that case the public request can force their hand, but here we are talking about two guys who still have to start their journey.

felice can you fucking stop all these sensible posts?! I am like so close to agreeing with you, and we all know where that leads!

 

[Jumbi]

In the episode 9, in Derek's Moose Bar, there is a girl wearing a black mask and having blue eyes.

I doubt she is that girl in The Moose Lounge, though. We don't even know who she actually is.

 

[ffive]

what do you do with the human sympathy of perfect strangers when the only person you cared about at that moment rejects you?

While it's a small consolation, it's a consolation just the same. If not at the very moment things happen, then afterwards. One that you won't get if you keep the declaration private and no one knows about it. At the very least i think we can agree that knowing people had sympathy for you is quite better feeling than knowing people looked at you with contempt and think you're an asshole?

Look at it this way -- a guy who makes a public declaration and gets turned down doesn't humiliate himself but is instead viewed as a hero who was brave enough to declare his feelings openly. The public opinion of him is improved, if anything.

if you think that a girl accepts in order not to make a bad impression with strangers you are extremely optimistic, at most a more sensitive (or calculating) person would not respond by moving the discussion to a more private place.

It's not optimism, it's what you'll often enough hear from women who actually were put through such experiences. Also note, that the pressure factor is something you, maybe unconsciously, acknowledge yourself here -- "a person would move the discussion to a more private place" precisely because they'll be viewed as a villain if they make the rejection public.

 

[Jumbi]

It's a public restaurant, just because DPC didn't render some randoms doesn't mean it is empty.

And no, it's very much the opposite -- in a public declaration, if a guy gets turned down then he gets audience's sympathy. He takes a risk, yes, but it's relatively minimized. But the girl who does dare to turn him down instead of rewarding the brave little fellow and making it a movie-like romantic moment? "What a cold-hearted bitch" is what she gets for it. This is a very powerful deterrent, that can make lot of people hesitate and say yes just so they don't get painted as such.

Jill (or whoever on the receiving end) accepting someone's proposal just because she is afraid of some random people's opinion about her if she acts otherwise proves mainly that she has much work to do about her personality.

 

[ffive]

Jill (or whoever on the receiving end) accepting someone's proposal just because she is afraid of some random people's opinion about her if she acts otherwise mainly proves that she has much work to do about her personality.

The sad reality is that a lot of our actions is determined (or at least influenced) by how they'll make us look in the eyes of general public. See: the "social media" pretty much in their entirety.

 

[Jumbi]

Does anyone have a save before episode 9 on the Jill path. I have Sage, Bella, josi & Maya, and other and just don't feel like going back and starting over to get a Jill playthrough. I assume she requires the Chick path like Josi & Maya

In the OP, under the extras section, there's a link to a post with lots of unmodded save files. Have a look at it. If you still cannot find what you are seeking, feel free to DM me.

 

[felicemastronzo]

While it's a small consolation, it's a consolation just the same. If not at the very moment things happen, then afterwards. One that you won't get if you keep the declaration private and no one knows about it. At the very least i think we can agree that knowing people had sympathy for you is quite better feeling than knowing people looked at you with contempt and think you're an asshole?

Look at it this way -- a guy who makes a public declaration and gets turned down doesn't humiliate himself but is instead viewed as a hero who was brave enough to declare his feelings openly. The public opinion of him is improved, if anything.

I repeat: the liking of perfect strangers at that moment counts for absolutely nothing, and if they were people you know (not your friends, but people you know, such as colleagues, neighbours, etc.) you wouldn't even be wondering what they think, but you wouldn't want to cross paths with them ever again in your life and certainly in the immediate future.

It's not optimism, it's what you'll often enough hear from women who actually were put through such experiences. Also note, that the pressure factor is something you, maybe unconsciously, acknowledge yourself here -- "a person would move the discussion to a more private place" precisely because they'll be viewed as a villain if they make the rejection public.

i wasn't referring to that at all. normally even if someone doesn't reciprocate your feelings they have no joy in humiliating you, so if they can avoid it they do it

putting off answering is undoubtedly equivalent to a no, but at least it avoids public execution.

 

[packard1928]

How do I get past the mini game ? I did this once.. Now it looks like I have to do it again to get a passing score ???

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I don't think Jill wears a more revealing outfit due to getting out of her comfort zone. She dresses sexy and acts more proactively than usual in order to show you what you missed by not being with her. Whereas if you are her boyfriend, she doesn't feel any pressure to act in any way, so she is just her childish self.

There are inconsistencies in this theory. Jill always wears an opening bee suit when you're not on her branch. Let's say you didn't show any interest in Jill, didn't even kiss her on a date in Ep.4 and didn't develop a path in Ep.5 (the key point is a kiss on the couch that opens this route) - Jill considers you nothing more than a friend and she doesn't it makes sense to show you something.
As far as we know, Jill doesn't fall in love with MC if her branch is cut off in the middle of the game.

Second, Jill is not the kind of girl who would wear a sexy outfit just to show off in front of a guy. Well, it doesn't look like her.

Why do I think that a sexy suit is a natural development of Jill? We see this towards the end of Season 2, when Jill is no longer a "damsel in distress" and solves her problems with Tybalt without the help of Jill and MZ, she ceases to be a "princess locked in a tower". Jill takes all her will and makes Tybalt hell. She does it herself. We see an accomplished person who stops looking to do what others taught her how to behave and the rules of behavior in her family. The fact that after this Jill begins to behave more relaxed at the party is a natural development of a personality that is gradually getting out of the shell. Of course, she still looks at the opinions of others:
"I've never worn anything like this, I'm not sure"
"Tell me, it's not mine, right?" - Jill refers to Tremolo.
But gradually as the play progresses, she relaxes, and towards the end we get this Jill:

For me personally, this was one of the most fun and memorable moments of Episode 9 - dynamic character development, as it should be. DPC doesn't make her a whore, as many corruption games show, calling it "character development" - he makes the evolution of a quiet introvert girl with poor social skills, into an open, relaxed and sociable girl who stops looking at the opinions of the snobs around her all her life.

Next, I want to talk about the issues with Jill's brunch and her character's bounce back.
It's not just about the banana costume - I'm sure it's nothing more than a DPC prank that gave me tons of memes.
As we have already figured out above, Jill began to behave more freely, so, according to the game logic, nothing prevented her from wearing a banana suit. And the banana costume is much easier to put on - because in it she looks funny and ridiculous, there is nothing terrible about it. Wearing a sexy costume that showed more of her body was much more difficult for her. Being in a relationship with MC would make her feel more secure, so a bee suit wouldn't be a problem either. Okay, I'm closing the fruit topic.
The problems that I see on Jill's route in her personality:
1. She doesn't see social cues. Her best friend hits on MC, Jill doesn't notice any of this. Fall in social skills.


2. STD test. Jill shows her distrust of MC.

3. She continues to act extremely naive for most of the Episode. That moment when she wants to meet her parents and is obsessed with making their relationship official - it's all done somehow at a childish level.

4. Again distrust of Tremolo. She is obsessed with asking questions about this fat girl who accused MC of bullying. A good time to talk about it after sex. Yes.

5. About sex, it doesn't develop. It all looks weird and ridiculous, as if she can not relax and enjoy. The second time she could try to take in her mouth.

6. And last but not least. Walk of shame. She needs protection from the walk of shame. This breaks the whole line of Jill relaxing and getting out of her comfort zone, bringing her back to "safe space". Bad writing, or trolling the whole route and her fans.

 

[dalli_x]

I'm surprised you're of that opinion. The other two dudes weren't tased. Do you really think Quinn would even have told Maya her plans. Quinn isn't the sharing type, she doesn't even tell her supposed friend Tommy that she's gonna ditch his party for the preps, so why would she tell Maya in advance that she's gonna tase the mc? Fuck, she doesn't even tell Riona half her plans. Plus, Maya pretty much shits herself when it happens:

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You forgot to write that Maya tells the MC in EP2 that she didn't know the MC should be tased.

 

[ffive]

I repeat: the liking of perfect strangers at that moment counts for absolutely nothing, and if they were people you know (not your friends, but people you know, such as colleagues, neighbours, etc.) you wouldn't even be wondering what they think, but you wouldn't want to cross paths with them ever again in your life and certainly in the immediate future.

There's no need to repeat, it's simply something we don't agree about. And considering how much effort people in general spend nowadays airing their personal drama to complete strangers on the intrawebs and paying actual attention to resulting feedback, i believe you're vastly underestimating this effect.

 

[polyswarms]

i'm find Jill

 

[osculim]

i'm find Jill
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Way too much botox in those lips

 

[Riggnarock]

You forgot that she tazes the MC in the back of the neck and has her 2 goons Sarah and Melanie drag him practically naked to the DIK house. And Maya facilitated that (she knew he was going to get tazed, you'll never convince me otherwise).

That said, in my opinion, she's still Best Girl out of all the available ones at the moment. If you could seperate Josy from fucking Maya I'd consider changing my vote though. All the girls have serious fucking issues though. The only normal-ish ones in the game are Sally (she's popping adderall like pez though), KRJ, and Elena (I'd vote Elena to be the best girlfriend given the choice).

Well getting tazed i didnt mind at all, and being dragged naked by 2 chicks makes them more desperate then me
As for Josy, after turning them both down (Staying friends) you still get to choose to say you still love Josy to Derek after the party crash, and even some flirting is done, and as long as ya dont say it would never have worked out im thinking there is still a way for you to end up being with her (WO Maya) in a future update.

as for Quinn btw, i think that name is mistakingly given to our current Quinn, while Harley Quinn has 2 ponytails on da side, it should've been given to Lily, even though harley quinn enjoys the misery of others, she becomes a fangirl of da joker, and seeing everyone at our school thinks we are a joker anyways, Lily does become a fangirl of us in the last few episodes, although i wouldn't have mind if DrPC gave her the name Babydoll, she looks to much like her as well (Sucker Punch for anyone whom seen it).