VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Tom267]

Badik biggest Weakness is the Affinity system, and the Status system. It goes against the sacred mantra which is " Follow your Heart " . These systems prevent you to do so, because, decesiosn you make that often if not never, has nothing to do wiht the girls, but they have some super ability that makes them sense your aura , and becasue of that no matter what you do for them if your Aura is not the right one, they will reject you.

Personally I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective: it's not that you're not allowed to do X/Y/Z actions because of your affinity; the affinity is just a representation of what actions you have already taken.

Example with Jill: when you go on the tennis date, if you're a DIK, complimenting here comes across as a typical douche who's just complimenting her to get in her pants ("You look hot!") because you've been acting (in recent gameplay) like a DIK. If you're a CHICK, you compliment her and she's not getting the feeling that she's being hit on by a jerk and so can take the compliment properly.

In real life, your actions speak, and not a mythical, aura around you

Right, so if the MC is behaving like a DIK for a while, then characters are more likely to be suspicious when they try to act like a CHICK suddenly (eg, the Jill compliment above). Your actions speak to who you are.

 

[Deleted member 1044901]

I didn't like it...she looks like a feminist.

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She looks like a feminist version of Tania. Tommy's biggest nightmare in a nutshell.

 

[Deleted member 1044901]

Back in EP4, there is that wooden fence near of the DIK house, maybe?
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Feels... made me miss Mona.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Still, not explaining why the Dorm sluts is called Vixens.

After you finished the Interlude this used to be the teaser and the title Vixens, so people just assumed its their group.

 

[Jumbi]

The robbery of Quinn has a bad taste to it. Namely, I think so the guys weren't just in it for the drugs. In EP5, Quinn calls someone who demands that she apologize. She refuses, of course. The apology is not about the destruction of the DIK Mansion, nor is it about Preps party. Quinn said to the guys so she has it now. So Quinn took something from the Preps Mansion. So what should Quinn apologize for? I think for the cum petition. She didn't apologize and she gets a bloody nose for it in EP6. The weird thing is for Quinn to first (Quinn sex) or completely (no Quinn sex) refuse to let the MC help her. The bloody nose was a message to Quinn and Quinn understood that message. That is why she is concerned about the MC in EP9. If something happens to the MC, it won't be good for herself. Quinn is only thinking about herself.

I'm guessing you are referring to the phonecall while she is lying on her bed, just before Camila pays her a visit to brief her about Mona's situation. This is what Quinn says during that very brief conversation on the phone.

Quinn "I know I'm late. Something happened, but don't worry... I have it now. All of it."
qu "No, I'm not making any excuses."
qu "Tomorrow night..."
qu "Bye."

She is just speaking with Buddy or someone else on his behalf to let them know that she has collected the dough that they are expecting from her. Nothing else. In other words, this short scene foreshadows the one we get to see in episode 6, when she visits the drug den and then gets mugged.

Yes I know, so Quinn and the MC can have sex in EP9. But Quinn runs to someone else right after sex. Well, who wants a girl like that please.

dalli, I know that you play only Josy's and Maya's path. Maybe that is why you are confused about that scene in episode 9? Because then, on her route, the MC spends the night with her and last thing we see is that she snaps after waking up and wants him to discreetly leave before some other HOT may get to see him there. Nothing else.


Also...

Well, who wants a girl like that please.

let's assume that MC's affinity indicates more how he is seen by others, rather than something about him directly, a kind of fame. the MC of the story is pretty much the same no matter what choice we make.

if MC is DIK it's not that he doesn't want to get involved in Maya's drama, but it's Maya who doesn't trust him enough. similarly if MC is CHICK it's not that he wants to keep his distance from Quinn and her shady dealings, but it's Quinn who doesn't think he's the right person to open up to.

the mistake is thinking that affinity establishes who MC is and what he can do, instead it simply changes how others perceive MC and thus what they are willing to let him do.

since it is in fact a 'bias' it remains questionable. furthermore, since DIK affinity is very punitive with LIs, in all other contexts it gives the best results, the variations in MC CHICK dialogue are truly embarrassing....

The affinity also defines to some extent the morals of the protagonist, or at least I believe that it is also an aim for DPC. A very graphic example can be seen in episode 9.

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Now, I don't think that necessarily means that a DIK MC can't be good or vice versa, that a chick MC can't snap and do something dark under the right circumstances. You can call me kind of a believer in moral relativism if you like.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Personally I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective: it's not that you're not allowed to do X/Y/Z actions because of your affinity; the affinity is just a representation of what actions you have already taken.

Example with Jill: when you go on the tennis date, if you're a DIK, complimenting here comes across as a typical douche who's just complimenting her to get in her pants ("You look hot!") because you've been acting (in recent gameplay) like a DIK. If you're a CHICK, you compliment her and she's not getting the feeling that she's being hit on by a jerk and so can take the compliment properly.


Right, so if the MC is behaving like a DIK for a while, then characters are more likely to be suspicious when they try to act like a CHICK suddenly (eg, the Jill compliment above). Your actions speak to who you are.

You missing the point, A personality is not a Black and White, Dik or chick thing.
also you example of Jill, why would Jill know that? You nice toward her, your actions individually toward Jill are Decent, all of the actions you take previously had nothing to do with her. It's not realistic IT's simple just a game meachanic System, a written code. a Checklist system. .

 

[360 Danny DeVitos Later]

Personally I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective: it's not that you're not allowed to do X/Y/Z actions because of your affinity; the affinity is just a representation of what actions you have already taken.

Example with Jill: when you go on the tennis date, if you're a DIK, complimenting here comes across as a typical douche who's just complimenting her to get in her pants ("You look hot!") because you've been acting (in recent gameplay) like a DIK. If you're a CHICK, you compliment her and she's not getting the feeling that she's being hit on by a jerk and so can take the compliment properly.


Right, so if the MC is behaving like a DIK for a while, then characters are more likely to be suspicious when they try to act like a CHICK suddenly (eg, the Jill compliment above). Your actions speak to who you are.

That's the thing though. It can take a character right out of your hands or make you feel like you have to be very one note. Especially if there's some sort of point system that will lock choices out later tied to it because you'to often going to choose one or the other.

In real life we're not one note all the time. How you interact with one person or group won't necessarily be the same as how you would with another. How someone or a character reacts to a situation or person should be based on the situation and person. Most systems tied to some sort of morality tend to remove that for either been a saint or dickhead. People tend to be more nuanced than these systems allow.

 

[NebulousShooter]

You're right. To my defense I had to say this slut isn't important enough to me to get her name correct.

I liked her out-there personality, but I am 100% biased since I already loved the character model in Nyx's game

 

[Deleted member 1044901]

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After you finished the Interlude this used to be the teaser and the title Vixens, so people just assumed its their group.

 

[Darkwen]

Maya must be going for a new look and not just something for a date, I like it next preview will be Josy they follow in previews I think

 

[DrSoong]

Thank you DPC for the second preview with beautiful, cute and charming Riona! It's a celebration for all Rio fans .
Stop, wait a minute! Who is this second girl, a blonde with a frightened look, and why is the preview called "Maya"?

As i know, she is the Before testimonial for a new skin care cream as the have to take an extrem model at the before side to praise their cosmetics. Name seems to point to the ancient population in middle america.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Maya must be going for a new look and not just something for a date, I like it next preview will be Josy they follow in previews I think
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What is interesting that so far in season 3, Josy and Maya do not share previews as them being together, unlike in previous seasons, they were always a package deal, always shown them together.
but in season 3 even in the title screen they are separated. In a previous season this would been a Maya and Josy preview, where it would be Josy who sit next to her, but the only time we saw them togther in season 3 so far, was that cringe wallpaper picture what dpc put out there for 30 bucks

 

[Tom267]

why would Jill know that? You nice toward her, your actions individually toward Jill are Decent, all of the actions you take previously had nothing to do with her.

People talk to one another, people still hear about your actions - especially bigger ones (eg, punching Tybalt, which Jill would/definitely does hear about). The example of the tennis date compliment shows how someone behaves differently: the MC might be 'nice' to Jill, but they are a DIK and their form of nice is not what Jill likes; whereas a CHICK MC's nice is more what she wants/likes.

If anything, being nice to one person and being cruel to others is more likely to make people suspicious because that's kind of duplicitous and manipulative. Of course, people get along with others differently and social circles are shown reasonably well in BaD with the AAAs, DIKs, HOTs, etc, but it still displays a certain manipulativeness when someone is distinctly different when talking to two groups.

Personally, I feel like the DIK/CHICK Status, Affinity, and Major Choices are all a good combination that does a decent job at displaying personal actions shaping how people view the MC. It's not perfect, of course, but it is pretty good. I think the later Episodes use the Major Choices better; being able to choose certain DIK/CHICK options even if Neutral provided you chose a certain option previously (eg, being able to punch Vinny if Neutral, as long as you fought the AAAs and Caleb earlier) - that is a good display of how someones' actions inform their personality.

It can take a character right out of your hands or make you feel like you have to be very one note.

I guess it depends on what you're expecting. The game isn't a perfect representation of a human whose choices are as freeform as in IRL: you're playing a character, and you have a limited amount of choices available. Within those choices, based on the character's personality (which does already exist to a certain degree, regardless of player action) and the actions the player chooses, you have different results based on what choices you do make.

Yes, IRL humans are more nuanced but this is still a game, and limited by the options that can realistically be included.

Ultimately, if the MC is able to radically shift personality from scene to scene, that would be far less believable than the MC's personality being shaped by the overall actions to that point.

 

[Darkwen]

What is interesting that so far in season 3, Josy and Maya do not share previews as them being together, unlike in previous seasons, they were always a package deal, always shown them together.
but in season 3 even in the title screen they are separated. In a previous season this would been a Maya and Josy preview, where it would be Josy who sit next to her, but the only time we saw them togther in season 3 so far, was that cringe wallpaper picture what dpc put out there for 30 bucks

On top of that it's there Halloween party photo that shouldn't even count , soo neither DPC is doing something different, something going on with Josy and Maya, DPC is just messing or all of the above

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm guessing you are referring to the phonecall while she is lying on her bed, just before Camila pays her a visit to brief her about Mona's situation. This is what Quinn says during that very brief conversation on the phone.

Quinn "I know I'm late. Something happened, but don't worry... I have it now. All of it."
qu "No, I'm not making any excuses."
qu "Tomorrow night..."
qu "Bye."

She is just speaking with Buddy or someone else on his behalf to let them know that she has collected the dough that they are expecting from her. Nothing else. In other words, this short scene foreshadows the one we get to see in episode 6, when she visits the drug den and then gets mugged.


dalli, I know that you play only Josy's and Maya's path. Maybe that is why you are confused about that scene or maybe you didn't mean episode 9? Because in episode 9, in her route, the MC spends the night with her and last thing we see is that she snaps after waking up and wants him to discreetly leave before some other HOT may get to see him there. Nothing else.


Also...

The affinity also defines to some extent the moral grounds of the protagonist, or at least I believe that it is also an aim for DPC. A very graphic example can be seen in episode 9.

Spoiler: This is how a chick/neutral MC reacts to Leon winning the costume competition.

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Spoiler: Now, this is how a DIK MC reacts to Leon's predicament.

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Now, I don't think that necessarily means that a DIK MC can't be good or vice versa, that a chick MC can't snap and do something dark under the right circumstances. You can call me kind of a believer in moral relativism if you like.

how insignificant and banal is the Chick comment? the DIK one at least makes one laugh.

i see very little of who should be MC in the two situations, to give a classic example: the Chick MC wants to give the inheritance money to Maya, the DIK one to Quinn. exactly the same reaction when faced with a problem

 

[ProxyGist]

Back in EP4, there is that wooden fence near of the DIK house, maybe?
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Well the courtyard of DIKs is definitely fenced with a stone wall. Throwing a party next to a driveway is stupid, even for them.


It seems to me that the mansion is located in the suburbs, not on campus.

 

[ChipLecsap]

People talk to one another, people still hear about your actions - especially bigger ones (eg, punching Tybalt, which Jill would/definitely does hear about). The example of the tennis date compliment shows how someone behaves differently: the MC might be 'nice' to Jill, but they are a DIK and their form of nice is not what Jill likes; whereas a CHICK MC's nice is more what she wants/likes.

If anything, being nice to one person and being cruel to others is more likely to make people suspicious because that's kind of duplicitous and manipulative. Of course, people get along with others differently and social circles are shown reasonably well in BaD with the AAAs, DIKs, HOTs, etc, but it still displays a certain manipulativeness when someone is distinctly different when talking to two groups.

But that's what A360, told you :

"In real life we're not one note all the time. How you interact with one person or group won't necessarily be the same as how you would with another. How someone or a character reacts to a situation or person should be based on the situation and person. Most systems tied to some sort of morality tend to remove that for either been a saint or dickhead. People tend to be more nuanced than these systems allow."


and the funny thing that you using a different event to justify an another one. Yes, when you Punch Tybalt, it's perfectly reasonable, that Jill react negatively, becasue we see her getting the information about it. an exmaple of an Action that Directy connect to her. Whereas during the Tennis date, no previous actions are connected to her!

People's Talks, Rumors, behaviours toward others is your argument? ,let's see....

You can Have Chick Affinity, and Status, during that Tennis date, all while you previously come from a Strip Bar, where you Get a Blowjob from Envy, or came from having Sex with Sage, but becasue you have Chick Status, all is good with her , somehow, people don't talk, in that case, there are no rumors of MC banging everything that moves, or about his behaviour, .

do you start to see how flawed the whole argument of yours ?. Based on what we know about Jill, and with your argument, should not Jill react negatively, toward an MC who is a Man slut ?!

 

[ProxyGist]

What is interesting that so far in season 3, Josy and Maya do not share previews as them being together, unlike in previous seasons, they were always a package deal, always shown them together.
but in season 3 even in the title screen they are separated. In a previous season this would been a Maya and Josy preview, where it would be Josy who sit next to her, but the only time we saw them togther in season 3 so far, was that cringe wallpaper picture what dpc put out there for 30 bucks

Yes, one really wonders why Maya is sitting next to Rio and where Josy is walking. They were practically always together at the party.

 

[Darkwen]

Yes, one really wonders why Maya is sitting next to Rio and where Josy is walking. They were practically always together at the party.

Maybe Josy is in MC lap and are making out

 

[felicemastronzo]

What is interesting that so far in season 3, Josy and Maya do not share previews as them being together, unlike in previous seasons, they were always a package deal, always shown them together.
but in season 3 even in the title screen they are separated. In a previous season this would been a Maya and Josy preview, where it would be Josy who sit next to her, but the only time we saw them togther in season 3 so far, was that cringe wallpaper picture what dpc put out there for 30 bucks

but are you talking about previews or seasons in general?

it always seemed to me that there was incredibly little content common to the two girls even before that