VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Jumbi]

Quinn best comparison will always be Joffrey, just like him, she is a polarizing character,
people love to hate her, but none really cried when he died, some of us even felt that he did not suffered enough

and at one point DPC even said it , that, this was his intention with Quinn anyway, so if anything what is surprising how people surprised by that people react toward her the way she meant to be reacted

That's not what polarizing means. When you say that someone or something is polarizing, what you mean is that it's object of hot debates (like this very same thread is often a proof of) and that tends to divide people around it into irreconcilable groups. I.e. you usually love it or hate it instead.

And DPC's thoughts about Quinn on that Questions and answers session were these:



"Love to hate or hate to love". The guy has a way with words.

 

[lollar2112]

That's an extreme stretch. She's definitely a stubborn arsehole, and has a bunch of issues due to her upbringing, but I really don't feel "psychopath" or "narcissist" really apply to her. She likes people who fight her to much to be a narcissist, and while there are moments she comes across as a psychopath, there's enough hints that's just part of her front.

My 2 Cents. Make of it what you will.....

Quinn shows signs of being morally evil. People that get satisfaction, happiness, etc from the misfortunes of other people are considered evil by psychology. She does the above, and the satisfaction she gets from simply messing with people strengthens that likelihood.

Vinny showed in a previous episode he was willing to do things normal college kids do, such as join a frat, go through Hell Week, and be part of the guys. His motivations for getting into the drug world aren't known, and while pulling a gun and dealing drugs are bad things, is he closer to an Average Joe or a Super Villian? Is Vinny a person that thoroughly enjoys his business to the point that he exacts that joy from the misery he inflicts on others? We don't know enough about him to confirm or deny that notion. He likely has chosen a terrible profession and operates in that profession as any man operating a business might. Why he chose that route and quit college isn't known either. Does he twiddle his thumbs and cackle as a bolt of lightning strikes behind him when he sentences a hit or a beating, etc to someone that didn't pay up? Or does he do so after just getting done talking to a friend about a grocery list?

We do know that Quinn enjoys screwing with people as a way to entertain herself. It is something she does for pleasure and fun, which is a much more evil act than doing evil acts out of necessity for a business/way of life.

The primary motivator for a person like Vinny to enter into an underground business is greed and ambition. Greed is evil, but it's not known if he is evil because he's greedy and ambitious. Their greed leads to evil acts, but the punishments are necessities to drug lords, as letting a person off with a warning or demanding a simple repayment, would only lessen his credibility in the underground world and lead to further issues. While that isn't an excuse. as killing or beating people up or even threatening them with a gun is wrong, but it helps us understand the difference between messing with people for pleasure and messing with them for business. A distinction that helps us recognize his actions as evil, but not necessarily his person.

Does the person specifically do what they do to cause people harm, or is it a byproduct of the career they've chosen? The deeds are evil and that can lead to collateral damage. Either way, Vinny is a deeply troubled person with irrational responses. But is that a byproduct of being evil, or potentially having an anger problem leading him to react irrationally.

Tommy seems to be a spoiled brat that has gotten anything he's wanted in life without working for it. He likely has never dealt with any severe problems in life. He is simply spoiled and stupid and likely has an inferiority complex.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Vinny is a deeply troubled person with irrational responses.

Simply put, Vinny is a weak coward that picked the easy path in life. Praying on other people's weaknesses and using strong-arm means to his ends. Nothing more nothing less. Over analyzing him is futile.

And saying "dealing drugs and keeping the business afloat" is not an easy way of life, is also bullshit. Because that business model exclusively survives on bullying and intimidation instead of an honest struggle to survive. Again a weak mindset.

Saying he's "deeply troubled" is somehow a way of validating his position and choice of lifestyle. That's a misguided view IMHO.

 

[lollar2112]

Simply put, Vinny is a weak coward that picked the easy path in life. Praying on other people's weaknesses and using strong-arm means to his ends. Nothing more nothing less. Over analyzing him is futile.

And saying "dealing drugs and keeping the business afloat" is not an easy way of life, is also bullshit. Because that business model exclusively survives on bullying and intimidation instead of an honest struggle to survive. Again a weak mindset.

Saying he's "deeply troubled" is somehow a way of validating his position and choice of lifestyle. That's a misguided view IMHO.

Fair enough points. My thesis is that Quinn is the most evil character in the game based on the information currently known. I wouldn't necessarily classify Vinny as evil. Weak and cowardly? 100 percent agree.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I don't know how someone can look for positive in Vinny behavior. He is a complete cunt.
This we can see from his behavior when he attacks MC, even if this was not necessary and MC used the Chick option. He shows dominance here, but he is too cowardly to decide it like a man and shows a gun. If this guy brought a gun to campus and has the audacity to threaten it for no reason, then he's definitely an asshole. And compared to Quinn, Vinny is much more dangerous and has a much more "black soul". No matter how fun he was at parties, according to what we saw at Ep.5 prologue.

 

[Kpyna]

We don't really know when the turn from friend to boyfriend happened in MC's mind. Back in episode 5 he liked fucking Sage and in episode 7 he gives Sage an ultimatum. Actually all his words to Sage are true, but we don't see the inner monologue of why he wants to be with Sage. That's actually true of all the girls. Why Bella, Jill, Quinn, etc. A few lines and the relationship would have been much more believable.

Not a friend to boyfriend, but fuck buddies or friends with benefits to boyfriend. The turning point came when she finally broke up with Chad. And he seemed to make it clear why he thinks so. For the same reason, we have a choice to pursue Sage from the EP7, after she became free.

How badly does the plot need Becky? Answer: none. She is introduced into the plot for one reason: to be a female alternative to Tybalt. It would be funny if Tybalt and Becky ended up getting together. The whole free tuition thing could have been taken over by Sally or Karen, for example. Besides I think the blonde vixen girl is a more interesting character than Becky.

She is a part of J&M story. Since we know that J&M story is a part of the plot core. I think dormies and Becky herself will play their role in appropriate moment. DPC never gives episode titles for nothing, Vixens is more about dormies, both girls and guys. Previously, we just saw them in different scenes and parties, but we didn't even know their names, now everything is changing.

Is the threesome with Sage & Quinn on sage's path or others path?
Also do you have to have DIK affinity?
And was it in episode 9 or earlier?

Being on Sage path, Neutral or DIK affinity are required
J&M path blocks this scene and/or Chick affinity blocks this scene
you may or may not be on Quinn path as well, it will change some dialogue lines before and during the lewd scene

if pathMayaJosy or pathJill or ep7_bella_lewd:
  mc "(Oof... I should probably resist... Hm...)"
menu:
  "Yes" if True:
      mc "Uh... Of course!"
      if affinity == "CHICK" or pathMayaJosy or ep8_quinn_rejected_you:
          mc "So, are we?"
          qu "Shut it, hippie pervert. It was a rhetorical question. I wouldn't touch you with rubber gloves."

 

[Darkwen]

I don't know how someone can look for positive in Vinny behavior. He is a complete cunt.
This we can see from his behavior when he attacks MC, even if this was not necessary and MC used the Chick option. He shows dominance here, but he is too cowardly to decide it like a man and shows a gun. If this guy brought a gun to campus and has the audacity to threaten it for no reason, then he's definitely an asshole. And compared to Quinn, Vinny is much more dangerous and has a much more "black soul". No matter how fun he was at parties, according to what we saw at Ep.5 prologue.

he does have a nice beard thats about it

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Fair enough points. My thesis is that Quinn is the most evil character in the game based on the information currently known. I wouldn't necessarily classify Vinny as evil. Weak and cowardly? 100 percent agree.

Despite some of my arguments against Quinn, if one chooses her path, she does display some more 'humane' tendencies if you romance her. For instance, when you leave the library with her to go sit on the park bench. After a few exchanges with her she sort of begins to drop her defensive walls and display a "softer" tone if you will.

So getting to know Quinn does end up showing she has more depth about her personality than if we just go by what we see from the get go. But I personally don't like the Quinn character. Because at face value she's a total evil cunt. But she does show sings of having some possible redeeming qualities.

Vinny on the other hand, not so much. Vinny is a much more believable character than Quinn is. Because we all know there are ALOT of "Vinnys" out there that no matter how much you try, they'll never admit weakness and that is a weakness in itself. Which becomes a testament to their inherent behaviors.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Simply put, Vinny is a weak coward that picked the easy path in life. Praying on other people's weaknesses and using strong-arm means to his ends. Nothing more nothing less. Over analyzing him is futile.

And saying "dealing drugs and keeping the business afloat" is not an easy way of life, is also bullshit. Because that business model exclusively survives on bullying and intimidation instead of an honest struggle to survive. Again a weak mindset.

Saying he's "deeply troubled" is somehow a way of validating his position and choice of lifestyle. That's a misguided view IMHO.

especially when we know almost nothing about him. he could be as much the victim of any abuse as a spoilt rich risk-taker.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

he does have a nice beard thats about it

With that beard he looks like a hobo

 

[KАRАMBA]

Quinn shows signs of being morally evil. People that get satisfaction, happiness, etc from the misfortunes of other people are considered evil by psychology. She does the above, and the satisfaction she gets from simply messing with people strengthens that likelihood.

Signs of moral evil ? What is this all about ? She's just a young, moody girl. Almost still a child. Yes, she can be rude, scandalous and bitchy. Like many girls, let's be honest. I'm not sure if it can be called evil. We must not forget that evil can be different. There is a big evil, and there is a small evil. If Quinn is evil, then she's just a little funny, mischievous evil. I've seen evil people. People who have done terrible things. And compared to them, Quinn is just a kid. How can hate a child?! When I see all this hate directed at her, I just can't understand it. I want to ask those who hate her - Have you never seen real evil ? Quinn is just a naughty girl, a spoiled child who needs to be spanked for bad behavior. But to hate her and wish her dead, as some do, is too much.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

There is a big evil, and there is a small evil

Dafuk are you smoking?!?
there is no such thing as "small evil" or "big evil"!!
Evil is evil, period!

 

[KАRАMBA]

Evil is evil, period!

Do you think bullying someone in college and beating someone to death is the same evil ?

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Do you think bullying someone in college and beating someone to death is the same evil ?

They're both evil!
What's more to debate?
Answer: nothing!

 

[lollar2112]

Signs of moral evil ? What is this all about ? She's just a young, moody girl. Almost still a child. Yes, she can be rude, scandalous and bitchy. Like many girls, let's be honest. I'm not sure if it can be called evil. We must not forget that evil can be different. There is a big evil, and there is a small evil. If Quinn is evil, then she's just a little funny, mischievous evil. I've seen evil people. People who have done terrible things. And compared to them, Quinn is just a kid. How can hate a child?! When I see all this hate directed at her, I just can't understand it. I want to ask those who hate her - Have you never seen real evil ? Quinn is just a naughty girl, a spoiled child who needs to be spanked for bad behavior. But to hate her and wish her dead, as some do, is too much.

I don't know of people that treat individuals the way Quinn does as mischievous fun. She messes with people one way or another and absolutely derives pleasure from it. There are instances throughout the entire game. Everything is about her individual gain or pleasure seeking.

A mischievous spoiled brat would be Sarah. There were many Sarah's in my high school. Middle or upper middle class (potentially even wealthy) background where they were likely treated like a princess and given what they wanted. They could look down on certain people and learned to get what they wanted. Deeply spoiled. However, while she prostitutes herself for money, showing some low moral standards, she doesn't get off on treating people poorly. She also shows signs of being decent, such as when she apologized to Maya for the way Maya was treated during Hell Week.

 

[KАRАMBA]

They're both evil!
What's more to debate?
Answer: nothing!

No, it's a different evil. In the first case, it's a small evil. An evil that can be accepted. The evil that perhaps everyone once committed in his life. But in the second case, it is a great evil, an irreparable evil. Evil that will make other people unhappy for life. It's a hell of a different thing.

 

[spas]

from 2 updates for 1 year /now is 1 update for 1 year what next is 1 update for 2 years ?

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

Do you think bullying someone in college and beating someone to death is the same evil ?

They're both evil!
What's more to debate?
Answer: nothing!

**Reposting instead of editing my previous post**

Debating the impact of said evil acts there we can have a discussion. But as far as what propelled either acts of whether you bullied someone in College or beat someone to death, both stems from the desire to cause someone harm. whether it's just a little bit or to the point of causing serious harm. Both acts came from the same intent,
to cause harm!

Hence: EVIL!

 

[KАRАMBA]

to cause harm!

Hence: EVIL!

I cannot agree with this interpretation of evil. In our youth, we often fought, often beat someone, then someone beat us. The intention to harm someone was almost constant with us. But damn it, that didn't make us evil. All boys are like that. Well, almost everyone.

 

[funkymonkeyjedi]

I cannot agree with this interpretation of evil. In our youth, we often fought, often beat someone, then someone beat us. The intention to harm someone was almost constant with us. But damn it, that didn't make us evil. All boys are like that. Well, almost everyone.

I never have.
Only times in my life where I participated in a fight was always in defense of someone being bullied.

Never in my life have I ever felt the need to just beat on someone just to pick on them. And damn I have been pushed to the point of wanting to do it, but instead of winning my fights with my fists, I won my fights with my mouth and my arguments. Granted my mouth has gotten the rest of my body in a few jams, because I didn't have the wisdom of knowing when to stop. But damnit, I have never gone in to a situation where I had the exclusive intent of just picking on someone else just for the sheer pleasure of wanting or needing to do it.

You characterizing it by saying "The intention to harm someone was almost constant with us.". Damnit I feel bad for you for the sort of bad influences you had to live through growing up. I can somehow better understand your point of view now that you have those experiences. But rest assured, that is not a sane way of looking at how to describe "evil" acts.

How to deal with those different types of acts, we can have a discussion about. but bottom line, as I pointed out earlier. there isn't 50 kinds of evil.. evil is simply put.. evil. whether it's a small act or a drastic one.