VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Kpyna]

There's a lot said here and I agree with your point in the main, I don't think Maya is going to be crucifying MC for Quinn in future episodes.

Thinking about this got me curious. Why is it that Maya is the one who asks MC about his body count? (I hate that term, but I guess it fits)

She was the one who came up with the whole "no strings attached" setting when they first decided to try out their special relationship. So I would have thought this question would matter more to Josy. But I think it's only Maya who asks.

And why does this ding their relationship, at all? I mean, MC isn't really given a chance to ask either one of them what their body count is, right? And I don't see them volunteering that information, unless I'm forgetting something.

Anyway, I wonder if that was DPC slipping up a tad and meta-gaming a horndog MC a bit. That's what it feels like to me. It doesn't feel like a Maya question, at this point. Just an observation, not really a question. Ya'll's discussion made me think of it again.

Regarding why it's Maya who asks this... probably it was made to balance their questions and concerns. It would look and feel strange if only one of the girls was asking questions and the other was silent. Josy was interested in the MCs ex, and Maya became interested in the current sexual adventures of the MC.

On the other hand... you mentioned it was Maya who came with "no strings attached" proposal. In this case it fits quite well with her subtle bevaviour and probably with intention to "test" the MC, had he used this "no strings attached" option or he was sure in his choice more or less beforehand. And they look pretty happy if he didn't take advantage of it (who wouldn't be?). But in their situation, they are also happy if MC "tested other cars" (с) Tommy before finally deciding to be with them. The first option is nicer and leaves a better impression.

So Josy got her part to concern for MCs ex. But both girls are interested in both topics, regardless of who asked it first, which again looks like a certain balance. Girls usually have a lot of inner thoughts when it comes to relationships, feelings, etc, while here there are 2 girls at once and they are also communicate in one or another way.

Regarding their "body count"... well... it's mostly "zero" or not mentioned visually. Because... you know why, lol. In J&M case - it's obvious that Josy was with guy(s) before the Maya, while Maya was only with Josy (at least in terms of sex), because Maya mentioned that she tried to date with guys in past, but it didn't developed into something. And in case with J&M it's also a 18yo kind of restriction, since Josy backstory definitely goes beyond 18. Among the rest of MGs... We know only about the Chad in case with Sage, Jill is virgin and Bella had(have) a husband, while most of SGs have more broad experience or they're prostitutes or some kind of.

Moreover, Sage IS NOT in her last year. She's in her 3rd year.

She started working on her thesis at the beginning of her 3rd year - of course she does - and she explains MC why.

1st year: MC, Josy, Maya, Derek
2nd year: Jill, Quinn
3rd year: Sage

Wrong, and Sage herself confirmed her last year several times in dialogues. Sage - 4th year, Jill - 3rd year, Rusty, Tommy, Nick - 3rd year. It's also perfectly fits with the game end, MCs 1st year and passing the torch regarding DIKs new president and VP. Chad is planning the same thing.

 

[noahsombrero]

I can't say that I ever thought of the word "sucks" as profanity, but I know the dev grew up in a different area and different era than me, so who am I to judge the meaning and context of a word? lol
Just for context, I was going to type "work sucks and then we die" in the yearbook quote. lol
In that context, there's no way it can be taken as profane. I can understand if I were to say "school can suck a dick."
But, this is also a porn game, it's also private where only the player will read it, and we're all adults.
Just my 2 cents. Take it as is.

I always thought that the etymology of the word had a profane origin, even though it seemed to loose that among most folks later. Sucks ass remains an emphatic usage.

 

[Ottoeight]

I can't say that I ever thought of the word "sucks" as profanity, but I know the dev grew up in a different area and different era than me, so who am I to judge the meaning and context of a word? lol
Just for context, I was going to type "work sucks and then we die" in the yearbook quote. lol
In that context, there's no way it can be taken as profane. I can understand if I were to say "school can suck a dick."
But, this is also a porn game, it's also private where only the player will read it, and we're all adults.
Just my 2 cents. Take it as is.


I always thought that the etymology of the word had a profane origin, even though it seemed to loose that among most folks later. Sucks ass remains an emphatic usage.

That's the opposite: the word started having "profane" meaning only in the XX century.

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[iggy.]

I still think we are going to have 17 episodes. Final episode 17 will probably be split into 2 smaller parts, that will wrap everything up, I guess we will know more when previews come out for episode 11, it's still unclear how much time next episode will cover - my money is on 2 or 3 weeks, Christmas is season finale - unless he plans to end episode 11 with an even bigger cliffhanger, and then season 3 will end during NYE party, so you never know.

 

[kyanfury]

am i the only one that gets a feeling this game is gonna have a tragic twist, just like his last one?

 

[NebulousShooter]

You say it like it is a wrong thing , now and then it's not bad to do an exclusive anal scene. I wish it was with Josy

I bet you wouldn't see it the same way if the entire scene was MC licking on a shoe in 6 different angles, or a cock and ball torture scene. Just because is your preferred kink doesn't make it cool that the rest have to tab through it because DPC is too egotistical to add an alternate scene.

 

[ChipLecsap]

I bet you wouldn't see it the same way if the entire scene was MC licking on a shoe in 6 different angles, or a cock and ball torture scene. Just because is your preferred kink doesn't make it cool that the rest have to tab through it because DPC is too egotistical to add an alternate scene.

I see your point, , but then it should be apply to almost every scene is it not ? . Like if it just a pussy fuck in different angles how much is that different , or if it's just a blowjob scene ? in the game the was majority is exclusive pussy scenes, but now there is one scene with Bella in the entire game what was an anal exclusive scene, and a person loose his mind over it .
my point was to laugh at the over exaggerated freak out from that person who asked that question in the Q/A
all that while pointing out, how funny , that it is that one scene is the seemingly unimportant thing to him, like it is a constant returning theme, but all the other actual shit like the 1 minute long animated intros, the 3 madam scenes, and so on , are not something that bothers him, but one scene , in the whole , game with over 50 sex scenes, is problematic to him

and what i get as a reaction, an another fucking life story of a random person. I think this is Fucking Funny

 

[Ray_D]

Especially the pathetic way MC acts in Quinn's route annoyed me to no end. I whish I had a choice in how the MC reacts to the bombshells she springs on him, instead he just victimizes himself like a emo virgin and tries to guilt trap her and the ending promise reminded me of Naruto and Sasuke relationship dynamics. I don't think anyone should ever try to emulate Naruto and Sasuke

Well in that case we can't blame the character, since he is subject to the writing skill of his writer. And in this case poor tremolo is condemned to suffer episodes of mental retardation for the convenience of the story and will have to behave like emo because that's what DPC demands.

Spoiler: Rare occasion where DIK tremolo behaves according to his attitude.

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[Nikko_]

Well in that case we can't blame the character, since he is subject to the writing skill of his writer. And in this case poor tremolo is condemned to suffer episodes of mental retardation for the convenience of the story and will have to behave like emo because that's what DPC demands.

Would it be better writing to make the MC vastly different if he is chick, neutral or dik? I don't think so. This is not Mass Effect, and you start the game as a "nice guy". Turning him from that to a complete dick after a semester is not good writing.

 

[Porthas]

Would it be better writing to make the MC vastly different if he is chick, neutral or dik? I don't think so. This is not Mass Effect, and you start the game as a "nice guy". Turning him from that to a complete dick after a semester is not good writing.

Well even with Mass Effect, we were still stuck with Commander Shepard and he could never become a villain, unless you're looking at it from a Batarian point of view I guess.

But yeah, there's a lot of choice in the game but if he made MC diverge into a criminal punk instead of the person who cares enough to help out Maya, then he'd be essential writing 2 or more AVN's and the development time would really get even more crazy.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Would it be better writing to make the MC vastly different if he is chick, neutral or dik? I don't think so. This is not Mass Effect, and you start the game as a "nice guy". Turning him from that to a complete dick after a semester is not good writing.

Not vastly, but so far any 'broccoli' interaction has been optional, he also had choices to bail if the character starts to annoy him, or stand up for himself(especially DIK MC). Come ep10 the game assumes you are full on broccoli and are ok with anything Quinn throws at you. There should have been a choice to tell her fuck you and bail on her when she brought him at the drug sale without telling him anything beforehand, instead we got the MC victimizing himself like a 14yo girl trying to guilt her into caring about him. Its as she said it, pathetic.

It might shock you, but there are many Quinn fans that actually like her like she is and don't want to fundamentally change her. DPC seems to not care that much about that portion and assumes everyone is on the 'I can fix her' train.

 

[Porthas]

It might shock you, but there are many Quinn fans that actually like her like she is and don't want to fundamentally change her. DPC seems to not care that much about that portion and assumes everyone is on the 'I can fix her' train.

As much as he likes drama, it would probably be a matter of too much work to diverge the story that much. Though I would like it. I like to see a lot of story choices.

 

[Pax Draconis]

So...Man slut Sage path or Devoted Sage path? Your thoughts?

I've done both, but if it's your first time do multiple saves and if you like to see all outcomes, do at least one as a DIK, and understand one side girl is definitely a land mine. Not saying who.

 

[LittleLordCuckleroy]

Not vastly, but so far any 'broccoli' interaction has been optional, he also had choices to bail if the character starts to annoy him, or stand up for himself(especially DIK MC). Come ep10 the game assumes you are full on broccoli and are ok with anything Quinn throws at you. There should have been a choice to tell her fuck you and bail on her when she brought him at the drug sale without telling him anything beforehand, instead we got the MC victimizing himself like a 14yo girl trying to guilt her into caring about him. Its as she said it, pathetic.

It might shock you, but there are many Quinn fans that actually like her like she is and don't want to fundamentally change her. DPC seems to not care that much about that portion and assumes everyone is on the 'I can fix her' train.

I couldn't agree with this more. I don't understand folks saying he can't diverge...he already has! There is a chick path and a dik path. If the dik path turns out to be chick...but sometimes punches somebody, guessing that's going to be a bit of a letdown for anybody who played it.

And to the point he started out nice so he can't become a true dick...sure he can, it's called a character arc. Porn logic often forces it to be accomplished in a shorter period of time...just as he's banged more girls in one semester than the average college freshman out there.

 

[KleptoJr]

I have a theory, guys !

Remember the naked picture of Cathy posted by DIK's PC ? Who else has access to the PC ? Stephen Burke.

Somehow, he knew that MC fucked Jade. But, he can't share it because of the damages that it will do to a lot of people. He probably hacked the PC, he also may have put a camera to take the picture of Cathy, which is the closest person to Jade.

What do you think about it ?

What if you aren't fucking jade?

 

[Porthas]

I couldn't agree with this more. I don't understand folks saying he can't diverge...he already has! There is a chick path and a dik path. If the dik path turns out to be chick...but sometimes punches somebody, guessing that's going to be a bit of a letdown for anybody who played it.

And to the point he started out nice so he can't become a true dick...sure he can, it's called a character arc. Porn logic often forces it to be accomplished in a shorter period of time...just as he's banged more girls in one semester than the average college freshman out there.

I don't think anybody is saying he can't diverge. It's just a matter of degree's. If you take a story wildly in one direction versus another then you start to write two different stories and two different characters - or more. In a book, that's a lot of extra typing and complexity. In a video game it's not just more words and story complexity, that's a lot more coding and setting scenes and generating images. It's why even games like Baldur's Gate 3 have a limit to how much they diverge.

 

[LittleLordCuckleroy]

I don't think anybody is saying he can't diverge. It's just a matter of degree's. If you take a story wildly in one direction versus another then you start to write two different stories and two different characters - or more. In a book, that's a lot of extra typing and complexity. In a video game it's not just more words and story complexity, that's a lot more coding and setting scenes and generating images. It's why even games like Baldur's Gate 3 have a limit to how much they diverge.

I agree, but if that's not the entire premise of the chick/dik dichotomy, then it might as well have been kinetic.

 

[Porthas]

I agree, but if that's not the entire premise of the chick/dik dichotomy, then it might as well have been kinetic.

No, saying there's a limit to how much something can diverge doesn't equal to "might as well be kinetic" - people are very happy with the number of choices they get in Baldur's Gate 3 or Mass Effect. So we'll take what we can get, until PC games become so complex they evolve into something like The Matrix.

 

[FookU2]

That's the opposite: the word started having "profane" meaning only in the XX century.

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What are you calling the XX century? Are you meaning 20th century, or Gen X? lol

According to my google search results (lol)

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1971 was the first recorded usage of the word "suck" in a derogatory form, meaning "you're not great."
It was 1928 when "suck" was first used in place of "fellatio."
lol boredom at it's finest

 

[LittleLordCuckleroy]

No, saying there's a limit to how much something can diverge doesn't equal to "might as well be kinetic" - people are very happy with the number of choices they get in Baldur's Gate 3 or Mass Effect. So we'll take what we can get, until PC games become so complex they evolve into something like The Matrix.

BG3 had years of development and hundreds of people working on it, I'm not making a comparison to either of those games, or saying there is 'no limit.' Just stating that I agreed with the guy above saying that it's fair to expect actual differences between the character on the chick/dik paths.