I’ll add, it’s only stupid not following your dreams, even if they lead you away from the important people in your life. It’s clear Zoe’s dream was stronger than her attraction to the MC, but it’s wrong to hold her to a standard of being loyal to him no matter what, cause that would make for a fake relationship where she tries to make him happy all the time and leads only to resentment further down the road.
It’s a shame Zoe didn’t fulfill her dream and now has little to show up for, but that doesn’t invalidate that she tried or the experience she gained.
She’s still the same person the MC loved and it doesn’t matter whether he loves her anymore or not. All that matters is that he still cares about her. Whether it leads to friendship or romance is gonna be up to us.
You are both right and wrong.Bullshit! It is stupid to follow your dream if it's a stupid dream. Zoey had never surfed in her life, didn't know the first thing about it, had no idea how to make a living from it and promptly blew every dollar she had trying to follow it. It's like waking up one day and deciding you want to become an Olympic gymnist, despite the fact that you are 37 and a stranger to exercise.
That's not even mentioning that she thoughtlessly ran away from everybody in her life that cared for her.
You only learn life's lesson's when there are consequences, and there are no consequences for Zoey. She just ran home to Mommy. Throw another windfall her way and she will do exactly the same.She’s young and dumb as they say and didn’t know any better. Sometimes you learn life’s lessons the hard way.
We all can agree on that and move on, otherwise we’ll beat ourselves into a corner.
I definitely agree that Quinn, even though she’s my girl is a pimp and a prostitute![]()
well there are some consequences, she at least realized she threw away a good relationship with the MCYou only learn life's lesson's when there are consequences, and there are no consequences for Zoey. She just ran home to Mommy. Throw another windfall her way and she will do exactly the same.
no one mentioned Sage's last name also, I feel we are past the point where common sense excludes plot twists.Someone be it DIKs or nerds would have already told us if that was the case. No one has ever mentioned anything like it so we can easily write the theory off.
Also the nerds don’t need a house cause they wouldn’t throw parties (them nerds![]()
), that’s the whole purpose of a chapter house.
Quinn is my girl and she has a plenty curvaceous body, with a nice fat booty and nice sized perky tits.So... Isabella, right?
Wrong, there were consequences with the MC as can be seen when she realizes they’re not close anymore and he has made a new life without her and runs away through the woods.You only learn life's lesson's when there are consequences, and there are no consequences for Zoey. She just ran home to Mommy. Throw another windfall her way and she will do exactly the same.
Of course she has changed so she’s not the same person who left for San Diego in that sense, but she’s still the same Zoe. If the MC really ever cared about her he will be present for her, that’s what I’m saying.You are both right and wrong.
Was it a stupid dream of Zoey's?
No, not actually. She is only 19 years old and relatively athletic. So her dream wasn't stupid.
Is it stupid not to follow your dreams?
No is not if you think beforehand about what you could lose and therefore give up or postpone a dream.
I think, as with many things, it depends on the right time. Of course, at the age of 37, the time is over, no question. But at 20 years old, the timing would have been perfect for Zoey. But at 19 years old, with “home blindness” and grief, the time was too early. Zoey just wanted to get away as quickly as possible and took the first possible opportunity to make her dream come true.
When would have been the right moment?
If only Zoey had waited another year. Zoey's family and friends, including the MC and Neil, would have supported and helped Zoey through her grief. With the help of the MC, Zoey could have completed her high school at home, together with the MC. The MC would then probably have gone to Miami with Zoey, where Zoey could have made her dream come true and the MC would have attended college there.
But none of that matters because you can't change the past, as the MC mentioned to Zoey in EP10. You can only learn from the past and live with it.
Is Zoey still the same person the MC loved?
No, she isn't anymore and it would be surprising if she were. Both Zoey and the MC realize that they have changed. Zoey now has tattoos and quite a few nipple piercings, she no longer smokes, drinks cocktails with umbrellas and has become a little softer. The MC has also changed. He now has a lot of friends, can have a lot of girls, now parties and drinks, confronts people and has at least one dream of his come true. The college.
But you can't change the past and this history is written. What will be the future tomorrow will be the past in two days. Each player has to find out for themselves how they want to deal with Zoey in the future. Yours truly will try to keep Zoey as a friend because she has been punished enough by her past. But there will be no romantic future together with my MC.
I tired to write " deez nuts "What did you write in the college yearbook?
I wrote that.
"Choo choo, choo choo and the love train sets off. May this journey never end."
Again, it's not that easy. When does Jacob, with or without Derek, fuck Arieth in the closet? In EP2. Ergo, the camera from EP2 was installed in front of EP2.Assuming these were placed during a party or some sort of social event is highly unlikely. So no offense but that throws your argument right out the window . (pun intended seeing as the windows of the mansion were busted for over a month)![]()
Does anything like the hidden cameras or whatever even matter when we have a beautiful angel like Maya to romance?
She is the one that deserves all my attention.
No, you can't write off this theory. The DIKs were only founded two years ago and therefore did not have a fraternity house on campus before. But now they have one and it's through Papa Burgmeister. The college is called Burgmeister & Royce.Someone be it DIKs or nerds would have already told us if that was the case. No one has ever mentioned anything like it so we can easily write the theory off.
Also the nerds don’t need a house cause they wouldn’t throw parties (them nerds![]()
), that’s the whole purpose of a chapter house.
Okay now that I started blathering about B-plots, help me make sure I’ve got the plot threads all straight. Which all have to be hidden under a spoiler blur, I suppose. Oh well.
First, the plots which aren’t LI-dependent, and even though the LIs are involved, the MC doesn’t have to be in a relationship with them to see them in the storyline. Generally they center on an individual.
Now the LI-dependent plotlines, which get added to the existing ones:
- The MC joins the DIKs, and quickly takes a leadership role in the fraternity.
DIK antagonists:
[*][*]Josy—first as a coworker the MC’s crushing on, then as Maya’s secret girlfriend and new HOT.
- 1a. Dawe and the AAAs, who compete for the HOTs; they destroy the DIK mansion, and hope to win their upcoming competition.
- 1b. Someone who’s hacked the DIK laptop, planting a nude of Cathy (and possibly leaking a certain fucktape).
- 1c. Someone who’s put a spy camera in Derek’s room, who’s also blackmailing Chad.
- 1d. Someone who’s spreading the DIKs’ embarrassing Hell Week photos around campus.
- 1e. Tommy, the DIKs vice president who does whatever the fuck he wants.
- 1f. Vinny, the ex-DIK turned drug dealer.
[*]Derek—both as maggot brother, try-hard, and growing friend.
[*]Maya—who needs to escape the “student loan” impressed on her by her homophobic dad.
[*]Sage—who uses the MC to spy on her cheating boyfriend, but befriends him; and her issues with leading the HOTs.
[*]Chad—secretly fucking Troy; suspects the MC of blackmailing him and beats him, thus losing his presidency.
[*]Quinn—who’s running a drugs and prostitution ring out of the HOT house.
[*]Stephen—de facto B&R provost, shitty husband and father, secretly funding Quinn till he has a change of heart.
[*]Arieth—the retarded girl on a quest to fuck every last frat boy (except the nerds), and her resulting pregnancy.
[*]Jill—gets involved with the MC after Chad beats him; her concert and crippling stage fright; how Tybalt tries and fails to woo her, then annoy her.
[*]Isabella—on the pretext of “just looking out for Jill,” befriends the MC and mentors him somewhat; her mysterious missing husband; plus someone in her English class is cheating.
[*]Jade—the Gender Studies teacher who wants to fuck the MC and cuck Stephen.
[*]Lily—the student/stripper who starts buying from Quinn, provoking Vinny.
[*]Lynette—the MC’s mother’s last diary surfaces, and he learns how his parents met and fucked him into existence.
[*]Zoey—the MC’s high school fuckbuddy rejoins his life, and realizes she loves him.
[*]Heather—Tommy’s constantly cuckolded girlfriend who’s had enough.
[*]Dwyane—the gym trainer who shows the MC how to be a better kickboxer.
Feel free to point out any I forgot, but do make sure it doesn’t easily fold into one of the above plotlines. Troy, for example, is part of Chad’s plotline; at least until the sparring turns into an actual friendship, if that ever happens.
- Jill—falling in love, getting her V-card punched, her difficult parents, her dead sister.
[*]Bella—hiding the relationship, dealing with the age/maturity gap.
[*]Josy—indulging Josy’s crush on the MC, finding herself; the fallout once her throuple with the MC and Maya is exposed.
[*]Maya—learning she loves dick, and loves public sex; and the aforementioned fallout.
[*]Sage—dealing with her anger… and kinks.
[*]Quinn—dealing with her intimacy issues, and the MC’s growing knowledge of her criminal activities.
[*]Jade—hiding the affair. (Unless you told the DIKs about it. Then you’re fucked.)
[*]Cathy. (Mainly fucking.)
[*]Nora. (Hitting it off—and fucking.)
[*]Riona—dealing with her immaturity.
[*]Envy/Nicole—will it become serious, or just more wild stripper sex?
[*]Lily—will it become serious, or are they only “rolling”?
And that’s a lot of plotlines to juggle. Most other AVNs just have one or two main plots, plus another for each LI.
That's okay.Same. I don't mind the friendship but it won't go any further in any of my playthroughs.
For me it's mainly about how late a character comes in to the game. Make all these connections to characters and as the player you develop a fav pretty quick so it doesn't matter if the old fling was the best thing to ever happen to the MC, if that's all off screen prior to the game starting and then sorta kinda shown after god knows how many updates, I just don't give a shit at that point lol.
i'm not missing anything. there is literally no point. you're just making stuff up in your mind and try to look for out of context quotes for confirmation biasYou're missing the point.
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Of course, Zoey stopped texting the MC before the Rooster. But the MC didn't stop, he just didn't get a reply from Zoey. That's what it says in the game and that's what I wrote.
"Now would be a good time to remember that you forgot to pack something." Was that supposed to be a joke from the MC?
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Firstly, you should remember that in EP3 these are the MC's memories and not Zoey's, and the same goes for EP10. These are Zoey's memories and not the MC's. I'll give you a quick proof so the Zoey and MC sex in EP3 is not in the treehouse.
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"Sexual acts are consensual and the characters are over the legal age of 18 years old."
When did the MC turn 18? A year before he turned 19, of course. When did Zoey turn 20 years old? During Interlude. The MC was only 18 at the time. They didn't have sex for years. Maybe 3-4 months before Zoey went to San Diego. So the MC was definitely inexperienced when he first had sex with Zoey. I don't mean making out, I mean having sex. Whether Zoey's memory from EP10 was the very first time she had sex with a guy, I don't know. But it was probably the first time she had sex with the MC. If so, it was the MC's first sex ever. I refuted your treehouse and years of experience with Zoey. There was only one years long friendly experience.
Yes, in Interlude Zoey urges the MC to dirty talk, but you should pay attention to everything and not just watch Zoey give the MC a handjob.
Zoey: "What's wrong?"
MC: "Nothing."
Zoey: "It's not about last time, is it?"
MC: "You laughed at me; that leaves scars."
So the "Ride me, Zoey!" was before the sex in Interlude.
Of course, the notebook entry is all about the same single event.
- "I will always remember this night" She remembers it in EP10, this event.
- "Ride me, Zoey!" That's what the MC says to Zoey at this one event.
- "Next time I promise to ride you." It says next time and not at this event. Only it's not Zoey's memory in EP3, it's the memory from the MC where I proved to you so the sex from EP3 flashback isn't in the treehouse.
Start understanding slowly so DPC scatters the clue puzzle pieces throughout the game and not just in one scene. EP3 is the flashback from the MC about the memories with Zoey and the one in EP10 is Zoey's memories. In EP6, the MC gives Sage advice on her breakup and he can only have that experience with Zoey because she's his only ex and you only become an ex by breaking up first. This tells us why the MC was angry.
DPC wrote why he had to do Interlude. Firstly because of the technical part and secondly to understand the story. EP3, EP6, EP10 are connected to Interlude. There are probably other connections, but I haven't found them yet.
sure, Patreon rules. we all know the truth, thoughEasy, easy
IRL it would be truth, it's quite a common thing from 15-16 and sometimes even earlier. But picturing sex of persons below 18 is prohibited. Mentioning - not (about 16-18yo period, if I remember correctly). So in this game they only started when MC turned 18, and DPC made Zoey 1 year older purposely. They had only a few months of this sexual expirience before Zoey left to San Diego. It was quite obvious in Interlude. MC just started his dirty talks tries and Zoey left in a couple of weeks after.
very true. you can add that she was actually happy before going for her dream, and her priority changed only because of her grief, so she might not even have gone for her dream if not for her love of her grandmother. but it was not about staying for MC, it was more about waiting for him to graduate so he could follow her, or going immediately without him and leaving him behind to die alone. once she managed to see the reality of her dream, and accepted her grandma's death, then she understood that she was not really happy in San Diego compared to home. she also understood the reason she was not happy. but she didn't understand the source of her happiness yet. MC Magic Penis (tm) !I’ll add, it’s only stupid not following your dreams, even if they lead you away from the important people in your life. It’s clear Zoe’s dream was stronger than her attraction to the MC, but it’s wrong to hold her to a standard of being loyal to him no matter what, cause that would make for a fake relationship where she tries to make him happy all the time and leads only to resentment further down the road.
It’s a shame Zoe didn’t fulfill her dream and now has little to show up for, but that doesn’t invalidate that she tried or the experience she gained.
She’s still the same person the MC loved and it doesn’t matter whether he loves her anymore or not. All that matters is that he still cares about her. Whether it leads to friendship or romance is gonna be up to us.
Sally is actually a good character, for me. she provides ok comedy with her banter with/against MC, and she also provides a very needed angle: not all girls are (at least immediately) into MC. we need many more that are indifferent to MC.
Quinn, Maya and Jill received roasting in this thread for its entire existence, collecting maximum hate, Josy received this after Ep. 10, as a result the gates to Hell were opened and some of her fans burned.. And repeat all this in a circle, pooping on those same waifus for the hundredth time is boring. It's an endless circlejerk.
We need something new. For example, few people pay attention to such a useless girl in the game as Sally.
Is this a little ball of hatred and malice towards MC for no reason, or because she doesn't get good enough dicking and therefore acts like a bitch towards our guy? DPC well described one tsundere who behaves this way because showing feelings is a weakness for her, the street taught her to be a heartless bitch, otherwise you won’t survive (thanks Rox, father of the year) and we see how with MC this facade of callousness gradually falls away, how their relationship dynamics are developing (you can hate Quinn for the crap she does, but so far MC is the only one who has been able to melt a little).
And as an alternative to one tsundere, DPC offers a nerdy shrimp who is mean to us because... she is most likely dissatisfied with Magnar. And she looks like if you have a boner for her, then you're most likely on the FBI's wanted list.
Sally is not needed. Absolutely useless character, increasing development time.
That's it, 15 minutes and new content for discussion.
No, no. MC is called a "lucky dog" (Just like Rusty is called a "lucky dog" by Tommy early on in the game) which totally must mean that he is the guy with the wolf profile picture. Absolutely not far-fetched nor ridiculous at all.and there is not a single profile picture that looks like a wolf... see how that works ? I can make stuff up too just to destroy your arguments, and mine at least make sense.
It's so unlikely that we can write it off for the reasons that I listed. I don't dismiss your theory with joy or anything, I just think you're reading too much into it. The library is the nerds' natural habitat and Isabella has grown to accept their presence. Besides Jill was playing that game of DnD and Bella didn't want to spoil her friend's fun.No, you can't write off this theory. The DIKs were only founded two years ago and therefore did not have a fraternity house on campus before. But now they have one and it's through Papa Burgmeister. The college is called Burgmeister & Royce.
The DIK Mansion used to be either the nerd fraternity house or the college cafeteria. That's why the nerds are always in the library, because their space has been taken away.
Have you ever noticed so Isabella can't kick the nerds out of her library even though they're playing DnG. Weird is just so Isabella can kick out the MC who isn't a nerd. Are Isabella's hands tied with the nerds?