VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Murgus]

You can have massive DIK status and DIK affinity and Maya will still like you as long as you were neutral in ep 4, that's a big inconsistency. Same with Jill, status doesn't matter as long as you are not DIK affinity, status actually affects the dialogue and normal interactions with LIs, affinity only affects the big decisions that MC makes, DIK status should actually matter more than DIK affinity, but status makes no difference to how LIs see MC.

There's actually an argument to be made that Maya likes MC on all affinities but doesn't trust a DIK affinity MC not to hurt her, she kisses MC on all affinities, even if you have minus RP with her

As I understand it there is a big difference between status and affinity. Status is based on minor choices that you make and affects some decisions you can make and dialogues. But affinity determines what kind of vibes you send out. Girls will pick up on DIK or CHICK vibes easily but not on status unless they learn about what you did (Like Becky telling Maya and Josy that you flirted with her). Status is more of a secret so to speak.

I'm not saying that there are no potential inconsistencies only that it could be way worse. Also as I said if you have DIK affinity when Maya calls you a girl she is basing that on previous encounters when you were at least neutral.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Or maybe Josy is holding Maya back?

in what fucking universe? dalixverse?

 

[Riggnarock]

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Hey that is funny and also, don't insult Da Krogan's dude. they are my race!!!!

Also on a Side Note: One of the songs Jill plays on her recital...Maroon 5 - Memories!!!!
Propably an Anthem to her Sister .
Bugged me for months/years, but i finaly found out wich song it was!

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

The point I was trying to make (though admittedly worded badly) was his mindset in making the game. I don't think he's really interested in the story, writing it is just a chore that enables him to enjoy his hobby while making a living. I also don't think he's much concerned with finishing it. He seems to do just enough to keep his patrons happy, then when that's out of the way he can go back to enjoying those things that interest him.

Why wouldn't he finish the game? This is his life’s project, his alma mater, no matter how he feels about it. There are no prerequisites that indicate that he is losing interest, burnt out from the project and intends to abandon it. He continues to provide feedback and work steadily on the game, no matter what. He took time off a couple of times, but that was it.
There was already one guy, Arigon. He predicted that Ep.10 would be the last. It didn't come true.

Probably they are, already. We are at the place of the story where there is no space to grow but to reveal the secrets, get the answers instead of bring the new questions and manage branches which we already have.

DPC told about SGs already. He will satisfy all possible paths in general but only partially in each new episode, speaking of SGs. Some of SGs will have nothing from time to time and they will exchange from episode to episode. We already seen it in EP9 and EP10 and even before in S1-2. And the most part of content will be getting the side girls with a real potential paths, while the ones with filler role (Camila, Sarah, Mel, a bunch of dormies, etc) are exist only to bring us some lewd scenes from time to time. MGs are in much better position, they will always get content and amount of it will be balanced as much as possible.

I forgot I'm talking to Kpyna and you love long posts. Fuck me
There is some truth here, SGs are divided into two types - those with full-fledged relationships, and others just for fucking. We see that those who focus on relationships will receive their own blocks of content every episode - Riona (Ep11 - ?), Quinn, Lily, Nicole, Zoey. They all received some kind of activity (not necessarily lewds) in both Eps 9 and 10. At the same time, Sarah/Mel and Camila continue to receive episodic content. They were practically absent in Ep.10

Long animations was new for EP9, but now it's a routine and with his new rigs it's not a big deal either. He was quite modest with animations in EP10 btw. The only long one was a BBQ party intro. Nothing compared to EP9 3 long ass animations.

Regarding 60 fps... well, probably he should use the middle path and do interpolation instead of native 60 fps rendering. But honestly, 60 fps is looks much smoother than 30. If it doesn't increase the development time and makes him happy, since rigs don't stay idle periodically - I'm ok with them. The thing is, that the 30fps will probably won't decrease the dev time either. At least now.

By the way, I remember that DPC said that the openings and endings of the episodes would be fully animated, which was not the case in Ep.10, apparently he refused this. It is possible that the criticism of long animations reached the DPC, and he heard it. He will never admit that it was a mistake, but he can quietly remove it or reduce it.

What else mini-games do you expect? I think he didn't lied when he said he did the base work and most of them till the rest of the game. He is done with them for Season 3 and I don't expect something significant or brand new in Season 4, because this season supposed to be quite special and the last half of it will barely have something like new mini-games. Probably none at all, since we will be in the phase of highly branched story outcomes and endings. Even if he will bring some new ones, they will not be so complicated and difficult to code as it was with the party planner and so on.

Something small can be added in a winter setting. The same snowball games. Honestly, I don't mind it. Snowballs are fun.

Now to the free roams and big events. How much of this did we had in EP10? 3 events, mostly. DIK mansion party aftermath and cleaning. BBQ party and Thanksgiving at Maya's place. All other ones are minor and was ranged from middle to tiny ones. And he mentioned that he already done with at least 2 big events (probably free roams). And that sounded promising. Because the other facts are:

- more than 50% of lewd scenes are done and only 8 was left 2 weeks ago and he said that 2 more was almost ready. So at this moment and probably following the next status updates he will only have to complete the 6. And this is amazing, since it's not only about the posing, but rendering them too. It's safe to assume that they are completely done - posed and rendered.

- mini-games are done, tweaking and adding content to the existent ones is quite easy task.

- at least 2 big events (free roams) are done too, which compairing to EP10 is also more than 50% currently.

The rest and major part of work left are canon and branched scenes, static renders and writing.


Throwing 1-2 lewd scenes for 1-time fuck purposes as it was with Heather in EP9 or dorm girls in EP8 is not that hard.


I'm not so sure about the last episodes and such potential huge development time for them. He will have to unroll all the possible outcomes of branches and sub-branches and not fuck up and spoil the whole game, because the end is the most important part, bring us consequences and so on, but at the same time the last episodes are usually quite linear. I'm not even sure that we will have a free roams (at least the big ones) and mini-games in the last episodes. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see it useful in the epilogue part.

Despite all his obsession and constant desire to add or improve something, he is still aware that the game cannot be in development for 10 years or even more. And that the time for such games is running out and that the gap in quality between the first and last episodes is getting bigger and bigger. It's no news that many players are scared off by the visual part of the first season. Because you have to hook and hold on the old players and bring the new ones. What the new ones have to start with? Right, from the first episodes, the first season... The more years will past from now, the more awful it will look and feel for new players and the more old players will be lost due to different circumstances. At the same time, it is also impossible to remaster and pause the current development in order to bring the game and its visual part to a common denominator at the moment, and he has already expressed his point of view on this matter. That if it will be done, it will be only after the release of the final episode.

I'll be honest, let it be as you say. I myself want the episodes to come out as soon as possible. Nobody likes to wait, and I am no exception. Plus BaD spoils me a lot - I play no more than 10 high-quality AVNs, the game has raised the quality bar for me, so I can't kill time with other AVNs. We'll see how it goes. But in order not to get too upset in the future, I set a time limit for myself of one year. If the release is faster, that's good.

 

[Murgus]

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So it's clear that the majority of the decisions that decide MCs affinity are not know by the LIs. Individual LIs would only know 2 or 3 at most of the decisions that decide whether they like MC or not. Meanwhile the everyday interactions that they have with MC which decide his status have no impact on whether they like him or not.

Thanks for a good read, I agree with what you wrote but my point was a bit different. What I meant was that when the MC makes these big decisions he is permanently molding his own personality. If I don't misremember (been some time since I played DIK) some of the dialogue will change if you have a DIK or CHICK affinity. Girls pick up the vibes of the MC if he has a certain affinity and they will feel differently towards him, that is my theory. Some girls like Sage and Bella won't care, but Maya and Jill get uncomfortable if he presents himself as DIK.

Other than that it is all about relationship points I suppose. Status doesn't mean more than intrusive thoughts and whether you act upon them or not.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I forgot I'm talking to Kpyna and you love long posts. Fuck me
There is some truth here, SGs are divided into two types - those with full-fledged relationships, and others just for fucking. We see that those who focus on relationships will receive their own blocks of content every episode - Riona (Ep11 - ?), Quinn, Lily, Nicole, Zoey. They all received some kind of activity (not necessarily lewds) in both Eps 9 and 10. At the same time, Sarah/Mel and Camila continue to receive episodic content. They were practically absent in Ep.10

but we only know this distinction in the rear, and it doesn't take much to change the "status" of an SG

by chapter 8 it was predictable that Camilla would not, at least for now, have her own path? earlier she had been one of the most recurring SGs.

Nora was supposed to be the one-night stand now she is certainly a recurring character, as a professor, and probably the bearer of unwanted pregnancy.

Bianca did not even have a name before chapter 8.

all this preparatory work is not necessary to make a fuckable extra, a new romance target

 

[Kpyna]

Something small can be added in a winter setting. The same snowball games. Honestly, I don't mind it. Snowballs are fun.

Only if it's not about Joshy92 and his preferences...

 

[Murgus]

But the personality that the LIs see is how he interacts with him, that's linked to his status not his affinity. That's what should decide whether girls like the MC or not, the most important thing should be relationship points but they have ZERO influence on whether an LI likes you, you can have minus RP and still be in a relationship with the LI, status should then be the next most important thing as that's how the girls see him everyday. Affinity is a pointless addition to the game as it makes no sense that you can randomly pick major decisions to make a massive DIK status MC a permanent CHICK, even if girls never have a talk with him where he behaves like a CHICK or vice-versa.

Wait does status affect the MC's auto dialogue and not the affinity? I thought it was the other way around. I also thought that RP decided whether you could start a relationship with a girl. If not then that is pretty bad. My impression was that you needed a certain amount of RP to make Bella like you at least.

Either way it's strange that RP seems to mean very little. For Jill the most important thing is to go on her date, take the picture and to fight for her. But I would hope that RP would be relevant in future episodes somehow. There are unfortunately many things that seem meaningless at the moment. Doing a good or bad job with the cleaning doesn't affect anything and I haven't seen any example of when DIK happiness matters. You plan all of these parties to make the DIKs happy but why? What do you get out of it? Having good grades etc. I hope it will all come together later on in the story.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

but we only know this distinction in the rear, and it doesn't take much to change the "status" of an SG

by chapter 8 it was predictable that Camilla would not, at least for now, have her own path? earlier she had been one of the most recurring SGs.

Nora was supposed to be the one-night stand now she is certainly a recurring character, as a professor, and probably the bearer of unwanted pregnancy.

Bianca did not even have a name before chapter 8.

all this preparatory work is not necessary to make a fuckable extra, a new romance target

I never saw a potential storyline with Camila because she has nothing, just a hot college chick who likes to have a good time. Unlike Quinn, Riona, Zoey, Lily and Nicole who have a developed personality and their own story.
Nora is definitely the odd one out at this restaurant because the role of milf teacher is already filled by several characters.
Bianca? Bianca is the ultimate holy grail.

 

[DavDR]

Why wouldn't he finish the game? This is his life’s project, his alma mater, no matter how he feels about it. There are no prerequisites that indicate that he is losing interest, burnt out from the project and intends to abandon it. He continues to provide feedback and work steadily on the game, no matter what. He took time off a couple of times, but that was it.
There was already one guy, Arigon. He predicted that Ep.10 would be the last. It didn't come true.

I forgot I'm talking to Kpyna and you love long posts. Fuck me
There is some truth here, SGs are divided into two types - those with full-fledged relationships, and others just for fucking. We see that those who focus on relationships will receive their own blocks of content every episode - Riona (Ep11 - ?), Quinn, Lily, Nicole, Zoey. They all received some kind of activity (not necessarily lewds) in both Eps 9 and 10. At the same time, Sarah/Mel and Camila continue to receive episodic content. They were practically absent in Ep.10

By the way, I remember that DPC said that the openings and endings of the episodes would be fully animated, which was not the case in Ep.10, apparently he refused this. It is possible that the criticism of long animations reached the DPC, and he heard it. He will never admit that it was a mistake, but he can quietly remove it or reduce it.

Something small can be added in a winter setting. The same snowball games. Honestly, I don't mind it. Snowballs are fun.



I'll be honest, let it be as you say. I myself want the episodes to come out as soon as possible. Nobody likes to wait, and I am no exception. Plus BaD spoils me a lot - I play no more than 10 high-quality AVNs, the game has raised the quality bar for me, so I can't kill time with other AVNs. We'll see how it goes. But in order not to get too upset in the future, I set a time limit for myself of one year. If the release is faster, that's good.

I meant in the sense of not letting it end. Maybe he will finally reach a point where he feels like he's made enough money to end the game. Or, he may decide that it's not in his interest to do so, four seasons become five, five seasons six and so on until enough people get tired of waiting and stop supporting. And if you look at his Patreon and Discord you'll see quite a few that would go on supporting. That's what I meant about mindset. DPC has no real reason to end the game until it's in his interest to do so.

 

[Murgus]

Yeah, status affects dialogue not affinity.

The only RP that has mattered so far is actually the RP with the DIKs but only on two specific occasions: if you play with minigames off then you need high RP with the DIKs for Rusty not to sell his car and if you let the Preps into the Halloween party then the rest of the DIKs will defend you to Tommy, low RP and they'll back Tommy.

I'm pretty sure Bella's RP matters at the start of the game, not fighting Troy, not wearing the helmet etc. As for DIK RP this is starting to sound off to me. So I let the preps in and everyone berated me for doing that. Based on your comment I must have low RP yet I fail to understand why I could have low RP, it should be high as far as I know. But even if it wasn't high the MC has fucking fixed their entire house and planned their parties while they do little to nothing. Along with Rusty the MC saved the entire fraternity from being banned, he and Derek completed everything on the hell week list and he has fought the jocks many times. DIK RP should be the least important RP in the game, the one thing that DPC could ignore in my opinion.

Regarding status and affinity I suppose I have kept both of them at similar levels which is why I thought affinity caused dialogue changes, it made more sense to me. Still if you imagine that the MC changes his body language and the tone of his voice based on affinity it could make more sense why girls react to it.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I never saw a potential storyline with Camila because she has nothing, just a hot college chick who likes to have a good time. Unlike Quinn, Riona, Zoey, Lily and Nicole who have a developed personality and their own story.
Nora is definitely the odd one out at this restaurant because the role of milf teacher is already filled by several characters.
Bianca? Bianca is the ultimate holy grail.

who you are or are not interested in is not important and is not in question .

Camilla is one of the first to confess, indirectly through Mona, that she has an interest in MC, from that moment she is a constant presence.

if she had also had an "ending" in the after halloween party no one would have been surprised. and the expectations would not have been the same as Melanie and Sara or the girls in the dormitory

 

[Murgus]

I meant in the sense of not letting it end. Maybe he will finally reach a point where he feels like he's made enough money to end the game. Or, he may decide that it's not in his interest to do so, four seasons become five, five seasons six and so on until enough people get tired of waiting and stop supporting. And if you look at his Patreon and Discord you'll see quite a few that would go on supporting. That's what I meant about mindset. DPC has no real reason to end the game until it's in his interest to do so.

I don't think it is about the money anymore. I doubt it is a coincidence that Stephen Burke talks about feeling unfulfilled being rich and trying to find some purpose in episode 10

 

[DavDR]

I don't think it is about the money anymore. I doubt it is a coincidence that Stephen Burke talks about feeling unfulfilled being rich and trying to find some purpose in episode 10

Yes, but the money isn't his motivation. The money just enables him to spend his time doing what he wants to do, make games. I don't think he envisions it as an artistic project either. That's not his motivation either. He stated that it was his hobby to make games, and that he would continue to do so, no matter what.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

I meant in the sense of not letting it end. Maybe he will finally reach a point where he feels like he's made enough money to end the game. Or, he may decide that it's not in his interest to do so, four seasons become five, five seasons six and so on until enough people get tired of waiting and stop supporting. And if you look at his Patreon and Discord you'll see quite a few that would go on supporting. That's what I meant about mindset. DPC has no real reason to end the game until it's in his interest to do so.

By the same logic, there was no point in finishing Acting Lessons and coming up with hundreds of reasons to continue it. And if he understands that he wants to earn money further, then he does not need to stretch Being a DIK to new seasons, but finish and start a new game. So far, as he says, he has no plans for a new game, he is completely absorbed in DIK, and is thinking about rest, that this will be his last game... But that’s for now. And then in the distant future in a few years... A new game, or a BaDIK remaster, BaDIK 2... There are many options. But there is no point in endlessly milking one game if you can finish it and start something new. Because patrons can really run out of steam, that's true.

who you are or are not interested in is not important and is not in question .

But it is important!

 

[ChipLecsap]

Yeah, status affects dialogue not affinity.

sometimes affinity does it. in ep 9, Dik affinity MC tells Tommy Fuck you, while neutral tells him Please help me. same with the drinking competition Dik MC is the one who comes up with the idea of spilling the beer on tits , neutral MC not.
And Yes I have dik status even with neutral MC.I also remember a conversation with Becky where MC can mock her, about she is the girl who farted in class , that also was with my Dik affinity MC, while my Neutral MC not said it to her.
in earlier episode namely for the first 3-4 status was usually there to gain or lose rp points. and also some scenes required specific status. like Spnaking Sally, or the Mona x Cammy sex
as the game progresses its lose its significance more and more.

 

[DavDR]

By the same logic, there was no point in finishing Acting Lessons and coming up with hundreds of reasons to continue it. And if he understands that he wants to earn money further, then he does not need to stretch Being a DIK to new seasons, but finish and start a new game. So far, as he says, he has no plans for a new game, he is completely absorbed in DIK, and is thinking about rest, that this will be his last game... But that’s for now. And then in the distant future in a few years... A new game, or a BaDIK remaster, BaDIK 2... There are many options. But there is no point in endlessly milking one game if you can finish it and start something new. Because patrons can really run out of steam, that's true.

But it is important!

If I remember correctly he was still working a day job during the development of AL. His situation is completely different now. I'm also basing my argument off of his own statements, I don't recall him ever saying he had any great motivation for making the story of BaDIK. His only statement on intensions, as far as I know, is that he considers the making of BaDIK as an exercise of his hobby, not the execution of an artistic project nor is it a business venture. He's never stated that. His only statement, when confronted with discontent at the slowness of development, was that he was making BaDIK as a hobby.

 

[Murgus]

I think Bella has plot points to tick off in the same way as Jill does, rather than RP being the important decider on her route. Winning the mansion and party minigames have no affect on DIKs RP, that's in dialogue decisions like status is.

She does but there is a certain criteria you have to meet in order for her to approve you to Jill, and consequently open up for a relationship with her. Failing 2 or more classes gives you negative RP, wearing the dick hat gives you negative RP, so does fighting Troy and trash talking the cafeteria food (I think). Other actions gives you positive RP, like some dialogue choices during the date. You need at least positive RP to make her like you. I know because I screwed up royally during my first playthrough and I looked it up.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

If I remember correctly he was still working a day job during the development of AL. His situation is completely different now. I'm also basing my argument off of his own statements, I don't recall him ever saying he had any great motivation for making the story of BaDIK. His only statement on intensions, as far as I know, is that he considers the making of BaDIK as an exercise of his hobby, not the execution of an artistic project nor is it a business venture. He's never stated that. His only statement, when confronted with discontent at the slowness of development, was that he was making BaDIK as a hobby.

We'll see this in a few years (if we live, of course, this is hell of a quest quest in our reality)

 

[Kpyna]

Wait does status affect the MC's auto dialogue and not the affinity? I thought it was the other way around. I also thought that RP decided whether you could start a relationship with a girl. If not then that is pretty bad. My impression was that you needed a certain amount of RP to make Bella like you at least.

Either way it's strange that RP seems to mean very little. For Jill the most important thing is to go on her date, take the picture and to fight for her. But I would hope that RP would be relevant in future episodes somehow. There are unfortunately many things that seem meaningless at the moment. Doing a good or bad job with the cleaning doesn't affect anything and I haven't seen any example of when DIK happiness matters. You plan all of these parties to make the DIKs happy but why? What do you get out of it? Having good grades etc. I hope it will all come together later on in the story.

Status gives sometimes extended/altered scenes. The last recent one was in Throuple branch in EP9. Josy will flash to MC with Neutral or DIK status, but will not do this for Chick status. So to get the scene you must have a Neutral affinity with Neutral or DIK Status or just a DIK affinity. The Chick MC can't get the scene anyway, since his status is always Chick.
But for the dialogues it's an affinity checks most of the times.

Regarding RP - J&M had a lot of checks for them in the first two seasons. During lewd scenes, during common scenes, etc.

Regarding Bella - she (any any other girls) likes MC by default. And her "Like/don't like" MC is just a starter attitude. You may make her not like the MC initially, this will bring some additional/alternate dialogues here and there, but that's all. The most outcome of this is in EP9, when flashback is shown how Bella tried to talk to Jill. A few dialogue lines will change, Jill will remind Bella that she was the one who said that she doesn't like MC. Etc.

It's hard to predict how the RPs will be used and when. Maybe at particular checkpoints it will play some role. Maybe high RPs will allow to dodge some of accumulated cheating points or safely pass through bad past decisions and choices. Maybe other MGs will start to get benefits from particular RPs amount as it was with J&M in the first two seasons. We will learn soon or later.